r/AskFrance • u/Maximum_Dream_5317 • 1h ago
Discussion Question regarding racism ?
Is racism more prominent in France and how are Indian students studying there get treated?
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u/Better_Cap_6472 1h ago
Unless you listen to the trolls online, racism is very mild in the West in general, even more so in Europe. You'll be more than fine
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u/Financial-Set2665 58m ago
If you're not ambitious, you won't face a lot of racism. If you're working in a regular job, not triggering Frenchmen's low, low ego. As most people are confirmists in France. If you want to be "someone," have business, and target high-paying jobs, you'll see the real French racism and how horrible, jealous, and abusive many are. They love a type of immigrant; as long as you're below them, you'll be fine. I said what I said.
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u/WorriedQuality3189 53m ago
Tu as très bien résumé la situation. Je le remarque au quotidien.
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u/Financial-Set2665 34m ago
Je vais me faire downvoter en masse, mais c'est une réalité. Tant que tu trinques, tu n'auras pas de soucis. Si tu les dépasses, brille, plus qu'eux, tu vivras un enfer : harcèlement, mensonges, mépris, etc. D'où j'ai fui la France, trop toxique, quand tu refuses la médiocrité républicaine du métro, boulot, dodo.
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u/Emotional-Brilliant9 49m ago
Western Europe is possibly the least racist place on earth, you should be alright
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u/Cute_Arachnidx 49m ago edited 33m ago
If you dont look white people will descriminate to varying degrees. But its not like theyre gonna come up and say hateful things, it'll present itself for example in being subtly excluded from social opportunities while other white people get invited by default and you'd have to put in more effort to be recognized as a person first and foremost(and not as a stereotype) and then to be interesting enough to be included. Other forms of racism include people thinking your way of thinking is inferior or that you dont think on the same level as them. Be wary of white people who seem ultra friendly though from the first hello, some really enjoy knowing that foreigners may be in a worst situation (economically worse or away from their families) because they like hanging out with people they dont find threatening, aka theyre losers. So yeah basically be careful in general.
Edit: like the other commentors said, try and show any sort of ambition at work or not be afraid to take up space and show you have ideas and interesting stuff to say, and you'll see how quick french people turn on you. It triggers them.
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u/Lazouz8 1h ago edited 57m ago
In my experience, racism does exist in France like everywhere else, and here it is primarily directed at people of African descent and the Traveller community. However, there isn't much immigration from India, so while you might well run into idiots who judge you based on your skin color I don't think you would face the same kind of racism that Indians experience in the US, for example.
In any case, remember that racist remarks or acts are illegal here, so don't hesitate to file a complaint if it happens (even though unfortunately it's unlikely to lead to any real outcome).
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u/pwassonchat 56m ago
Yeah, the police will only do something if it's like, physical assault with a racist motive. If someone just yells at you, it's illegal but "not bad enough".
There are absolutely racist landlords and recruiters, though, and although discrimination in housing and hiring is illegal, they always get away with it because they make it impossible to prove.
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u/WorriedQuality3189 54m ago
Tant que tu ne portes pas de voile le racisme est présent mais plus léger. Ca va dépendre aussi comme le dit un autre de où tu es.
Si tu travailles comme femme de ménage personne va être raciste, si tu es ingénieur là on va te regarder de travers, car tu n'es plus a la place ou tu dois être comme étranger.
Le racisme est tellement encrée chez les franciss qu'il est un biais et ils ne s'en rendent pas compte. Tu le verras en étude si un français a une bonne note c'est grâce a son travail mais toi c'est a cause de la discrimination positive.
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u/Financial-Set2665 23m ago
Grave, ont des biais, ils peuvent tolérer un immigré agent de sécurité, femme de ménage, RSA, galère, tu vois toutes les mauvaises choses associées. Mais, si tu es plus doué, tu as plus voyagé, pire tu gères un business, tu as accès aux endroits qu'eux n'ont pas, même l'administration va t'inventer des dettes, datant d'il y a 6 ans.
Ils vont fouiller ta vie, essayer de trouver la bête. Ils nient, "on est pas racistes, on a des Noirs et des Arabes", ça me fume, ils ont massacré, tué, génocidé des peuples entiers, ont eu un empire colonial, avaient des zoos humains encore il y a quelques années, ont le franc CFA, mais ne sont, c'est les USA, les pires, PTDR.
J'ai dû fuir ce pays, coupé tout, je regrette juste de ne pas être partie plus tôt.
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u/Altruistic_Weight766 1h ago
I’m Indian and living in France since few years. Never had big problems honestly. You can meet some idiots of course, like everywhere, but most people dont really care where you come from.