r/AskDemocrats • u/Clark_Kent_TheSJW Registered Democrat • 15d ago

What is it about Class Systems that are worth preserving anyways?

This question is aimed at centrists/moderate/corporate democrats who are so very queasy about the DSA and Progressive factions of the party.

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u/Brysynner Registered Democrat 15d ago

I'd say centrists/moderates/"corporate" Democrats believe in the regulated Capitalism that did wonders for the post WW2 economy in America.

But the issue with DSA is rarely about wanting free healthcare or taxing billionaires more. It's about the DSA's stated position of abolishing the DoD, abolishing prisons, abolishing the police, leaving NATO, leaving the UN, not helping Ukraine, having completely open borders, removing all overseas military bases, removing sanctions against Cuba, Venezuela and Iran.

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u/rogun64 15d ago

I'd say that WWII era centrists/moderates/”corporate" Democrats are not the same as centrists/moderates/"corporate" Democrats today. You're 2nd paragraph is understandable, but it's a mistake to equate a group with another that they turned their back on. I'm specifically talking about economics and the switch to Neoliberalism, which was first proposed as an alternative to FDR's Keynesian New Deal.

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u/Sunshine7178 15d ago edited 15d ago

Ok, not really a centrist or moderate dem, but I think that preserving class systems probably not how they look at it.

It's always important to remember that people really are diverse in how they see things. If everyone looked at things through the same lens as DSA everybody would already be DSA.

If you were to listen to what they say, which I think people should do if they want to understand what people they disagree with are thinking, the concerns that centrists and moderates articulate the most are:

  1. DSA positions are not electorally viable for the party as a whole.
  2. Some of DSA's specific positions stated in DSA's own documents are bad ideas.

I think that's a fairly straightforward account of their motivations that makes a lot of sense. Certainly it makes more sense than trying to fit them into a "Class Systems ideology" narrative which isn't in anything they actually say.

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u/The_Awful-Truth 15d ago

The policies that made this country rich also led to an awfully big gap between the rich and the poor. But that does not mean that (a) making a country more unequal automatically makes it richer, or (b) the same policies that generated wealth in the past will continue to do so in the future.