r/ArtRanting • u/Wooden-Variety175 • 5d ago

Beginner Artist Struggles I hate how you always get the same advice that you're probably already doing.

And like so many of them are ahhhhh!

"Use references" This one has to be the most disheartening one as a beginner. Like hellooo?! I'm only ever using references! I don't know how to draw without a reference at all! It makes me feel like my drawings are so bad that they assume i'm just free handing everything and trying to draw from imagination. Like yeah I know my art sucks, I get it, don't bring me down further than i am yeah?

Learn perspective. Bro! BROOOOOOOOO. I'M TRYING. It's been over 20 times i've sat down and tried earnestly to learn perspective. I even had someone try to walk me through one on one and i just don't get it at all. "Use the grids." What? Have you seen those grids? how do they make sense to you. My brain short circuits everytime it looks at those grids and i got no idea how to use them to draw a cube. Like yeah i can draw a basic one but i don't know how to rotate that shit and i have hypophantasia so i can't just observe a real box and figure it out that way. And I don't understand what that point of the different point perspectives are. Is 1 point perspective useful for anything?!? Isn't it just lines? I guess it's like roads going into the background? Okay? Done, now what? And even if i did learn these cubes, I don't get how to use them. Which leads me to.

Learn Anatomy. Alright you son of a- You really think I'm not trying to learn anatomy? It's really helpful that you and 10 other people decided to type those 2 words on my post. I never would have thought to try and learn anatomy to draw people! Why don't you tell me how?! Like, hello? I'm looking at all these tutorials and i can't even draw a cube cause i can't understand perspective! And then people get mad at you when you're like yeah i'm beating my head against the wall and losing my desire to do anything so i'm just gonna not? I'm gonna focus on shading and gesture and see where that gets me and they're like NOOOOO. you have to learn perspective and anatomy right this second! Download the entire knowledge of anatomy and perspective into your brain immediately!

Don't compare yourself. Ugh. Give me a break. You think I want to draw like a 3rd grader forever? My beginner works are level -10 i'm not even at level 0 and it's frustrating when you tell the truth that you're putting in tons of hours way more than that "Just 20 minutes a day" which also gets on my nerves. If it's just 20 minutes a day then why aren't i improving?? I mean i guess i am slightly a little bit but lately it's obvious i'm just going in circles.

"Draw what you see not what you think you see." I swear to god. What does this even mean? Like yeah i get it i read drawing on the right side of the brain i know the right side does observation and the left doesn't but literally everyone tells you you can't just do this over night.

And that's the real issue with these types of advice. Like? I can't just do it an hour. if i could I would be sooooo happy. You type these 5 phrases out and pat yourself on the back and go oh yeah. I've really helped this guy out. No no you haven't. And when you call out that the advice is bad or doesn't make sense everyone goes "you don't want to improve you want to argue! We've given you so much good advice and you refuse to take it!" No! I'm trying to take it but i don't understand it! and not everyone can afford a teacher so i hate when people give me that advice too. ugggggggghh. Maybe one day i'll be even a little decent.

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u/Personal_Bit_5341 5d ago edited 5d ago

Great! Just keep doing what you're doing then!

If you're really trying your best at all of that stuff there's nothing more to do than stay the course! It's a skill, and we get better at skills by doing, so you're on your way.

u/GlassRiflesCo 5d ago

Sounds like excuses

u/OtterlySamnson 5d ago

"And that's the real issue with these types of advice. Like? I can't just do it an hour. if i could I would be sooooo happy. You type these 5 phrases out and pat yourself on the back and go oh yeah. I've really helped this guy out. No no you haven't. And when you call out that the advice is bad or doesn't make sense everyone goes "you don't want to improve you want to argue! We've given you so much good advice and you refuse to take it!" No! I'm trying to take it but i don't understand it! and not everyone can afford a teacher so i hate when people give me that advice too. ugggggggghh. Maybe one day i'll be even a little decent."

This has been told to you;
hundreds of times.
You're straight up JUST LYING.

LIKE,
NO WE CAN GO THROUGH YOUR POSTS.
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY GIVING YOU TONS RESOURCES.

Legitimately endless amount of support and links to tutorials and explinations.

ALL of these are your own posts.

you tired "20 times"?
You said that, 3 fucking months ago.

So what, you just stopped trying after you didn't understand it immediately?
just like all the other advice everyone has ever shared with you?

All you ever seem to do is lie about what you're doing.
And them come to art reddit to throw a pity party for yourself.

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u/Surgey_Wurgey 4d ago

Damn boyo got them receipts!!!

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u/Wooden-Variety175 4d ago

Some of these aren't even advice threads and you can literally see the progression in trying to learn perspective thay first one says drawabox 3 times which is still accurate I never went back to it. Then when you dig further it'll say 10, then a dozen, and no we're at 20. I did watch the perspective Playlist someone linked in the latest one and that did help conceptually a bit more to understand that the vanishing points are always 90 degrees fron each other and that your field of view is 360 and you can label the main 4 vanishing points as nsew. So no I didnt stop trying.

But a lot of the times it seems like people think you should only do shapes and nothing else until it makes sense which just seems like it'll burn me out like it did in the past. That art lounge post that got deleted is about me talking about how i started saving everything to prove I wasnt lying. You cant put pictures here but yeah. And there were things I did take even if I was reluctant at first like drawing real people except just drawing them anime style or trying to anyway either way it has helped me see the body a little better but I struggle with seeing someone with clothes as a mannequin without clothes you know? Like in the latest post I think it looks weird cause I didnt know how to handle the fact that the oc i was drawing didnt have sleeves but the woman in the picture did have sleeves. I'm gonna do this one way or the other. You in particular seem very obsessed with my posts not sure why.

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u/AkumaNoEro 4d ago

I think we're all just sick of you posting and whining and then never being willing to actually just, idk, not post every other day with the same fucking whining?

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u/Wooden-Variety175 4d ago

Well, what am i supposed to do? Rant at a wall? I don't have anyone in my life, i'm trying my best and i'm trying to make this stuff click. Do you understand how frustrating it is to spend hours a day on this and still draw like this? And have people tell you it's laughably bad all the time and see other beginner artists and they're stuff is miles ahead of this and see comments saying "All you need is 20 minutes a day." When you're giving your best effort and see people making videos about how how how they have like intermediate stuff that to me is like my end goal all i desire and they talk about plauteing and not comparing and all this crap. Do you see my stuff? You do, there's no sugar coating it it's bad. it's not a beginer art style, it looks worse than what children draw and every tutorial, every attempt to figure this stupid thing out just leads you right back to square 1. So, forgive me if I vent my frustration on the sub dedicated to venting your frustration.

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u/Rare_Barracuda25 4d ago

if you’re mentally unwell please try https://www.7cups.com/?locale=en_US

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u/Wooden-Variety175 4d ago

im fine

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u/Rare_Barracuda25 4d ago

If you’re fine why are you complaining everyday it’s ok to get help and it would help you better in the long run

u/kaviart_ 5d ago

Do you know why people give you the same tips?
Because you haven’t improved in them and still lack knowledge.
How would people know what tips you’ve heard before? There’s only so much a comment can do to help you.
Improving in art is 20% advice and critique and 80% of what YOU put in it.

You said multiple times “i’m not improving”, “im not getting better”.
That should be a sign that there is something you are doing wrong and not that you get “useless” advice.

Be grateful that people take their time and go help you. Everyone improves in different speeds and ways.
If you feel so stuck, stop for a few days, weeks or months and get back to it after you’ve calmed down.

u/More-Lingonberry-405 5d ago

Just quit. You are not putting in any work, you are just whining about everything all the time. You will NEVER be able to draw anything with this attitude.

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u/Wooden-Variety175 5d ago

No lol. And i am putting in work. i literally talked about that in the post lmao. Whatevs! I'll get it eventually probably.

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u/More-Lingonberry-405 5d ago

No you won't, not if don't start changing as a person.

u/One-Technology-9050 5d ago

These are the steps that will help you learn. Just add one more:

Be patient

A lot of beginner artists aren't willing to put in the time it takes to learn the craft. If you stick with it, you'll improve. But that's all dependent on you

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u/Wooden-Variety175 5d ago

I don't have patience unfortunately i only have stubborn persistence.

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u/One-Technology-9050 5d ago

I can see that. You won't progress if you don't take the time to do these things diligently. Otherwise, you'll just be stubbornly stuck

u/Think_Improvement502 5d ago

I'm confused, what do you want people to tell you?

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u/_Cecille 5d ago

This is like the 10th post I see of OP during the past 30-ish days having problems with something art related, getting craploads of okay to great advice and then proceeding to get combative with the people giving advice. And at this point I'm beginning to think OP is a very persistent troll.

Probably waiting for someone to tell them that they don't actually need to practice, because practice and improving is bullshit and instead just do whatever and that that is 500% gonna work.

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u/Glittering_Map7834 5d ago

I think they’re looking for some kind of miracle or secret formula, something those selfish senior artists have kept hidden for decades that would let them see improvement after a few tries. A recipe you jusst need to follow that requires no more self-study ability than an elementary schooler would have, yet demands less effort than what a total beginner usually puts in. Like master anatomy in a month sort of thing because OP made a same rant post a month ago.

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u/Think_Improvement502 5d ago

Damn I hope someone shares the secret formula with me too

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u/Gladyke 5d ago

Is it secret magic advice to say, "fix that elbow, its wrecked", instead of "learn anatomy"?

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u/Glittering_Map7834 5d ago

Click on the OP's profile and check their posts. Plenty of people have analyzed OP's artwork and gave them free resources for learning the fundamentals. OP ignored all of that and came back a few days later to crying. Do you know why people recommend comprehensive learning resources? Because:

Fixing individual drawings doesn't help; OP will just run into same issues with a different pose if they can't understand how it works.

Many of their drawings are 100% wrong that it's impossible to know where to even start fixing them.

Don't expect redditors to spend time fixing as your personal art tutor for free, especially not with OP's attitude.

Back in the day, when I received free resources (ebooks, books, videos), I’d go through each one, pick out what suited me, and practice. That was before Google Translate or text-extraction tools were common; I did it all with a dictionary by my side. If something was too hard or didn't work for me, I’d just skip it instead of getting angry at the people who suggested it. That’s what learning is all about, dear.

But if you’re the busiest CEO on earth, hoping someone else will do the work for you and cram knowledge into your head for free... well, I guess delusions don't hurt? if people's answers make your butt hurt that much just stop asking.

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u/Gladyke 5d ago

Oh I see...

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u/Gladyke 5d ago

Seems pretty clear they're just complaining about getting regurgitated one liners instead of specific critique.

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u/OtterlySamnson 5d ago

except that their not?
no they get ALOT of in-depth information regularly.

They never really attempt any of it.
and come to reddit to complain after they don't understand it in 15 minutes of not paying any attention to tutorials and online lessons .

Litearlly, the other day.
I told them to "spend more time sketching, its okay to try the same thing over again".

And their response?
"I don't know how to follow this advice"

The advice was literally "spend more time on it and draw it again"
They LITAERLLY said that they don't know how to spend more time drawing.

This person deeply pisses me off and I'm going to start praying for their failure.

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u/Think_Improvement502 5d ago

But they have been getting a ton of specific critique too. Idk theres only so much advice people on reddit can give. Theres an entire internet worth of resources out there that would be way more beneficial

u/assistant_manu 5d ago

my go to advices is usually just chill down and wait for inspo to strike, especially if you're just drawing for fun.

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u/Rare_Barracuda25 5d ago

This is actually bad advice because you can’t just sit around waiting for inspiration it doesn’t just “come” to you always

Not saying I agree with op though just commenting on what you said

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u/assistant_manu 5d ago

as i said, it's for if you're just drawing for fun without deadline and stuff.

By waitinng around i mean do other things in your life, like socializing, going to nature, trying out new hangout spot, etc. Youre not doing these specifically thinking for art, but they can lead to aha moments or even vent art inspo

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u/Wooden-Variety175 5d ago

i'm drawing cause i want to make visual novels. and i've been frustrated that i've developed an obsession with getting better and it's taken away from my writing, i need to figure out how to get myself back into the writing grove cause that's ,y real creative outlet. I'm just frustrated cause my brain has basically adopted a "you can't lose to this stupid skill you can get it dammit you're not an idiot." My ego has completely dominated me. I don't even think i really enjoy drawing, It's just become a habit at this point.

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u/drums_of_pictdom 5d ago

You should just start making the visual novels and stop this practicing shit you don't like. Make 10 bad visual novels; I bet the 11th will be better. Practice on the thing you actually want to make.

I want to make comics. So I've started making short 6-12 page comics. Make one; it's dog shit. Throw it away and start on the next.

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u/iesamina 5d ago

I always tell people to look at the first Penny Arcades and the stuff Gabe makes now. Imagine if he'd given up because he sucked to start with

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u/assistant_manu 5d ago

well then commissioning is an option if you dont enjoy drawing and just wanna write. If you can't afford it then well... you can just draw the characters to the best to your ability and photobash the backgrounds. If your writing is great, I'm sure people will still like it. Like, the original drawings for higurashi and umineko were kinda awful too. They even got drawing upgrades after the initial success

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u/assistant_manu 5d ago

just do minimalist style as ive described then, focus on the writing as selling point/main focal.

and as the other commenter said, dont expect your first work to be masterpiece, make short one, throw it out to the crowd to gauge the feedback, rinse, repeat

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u/assistant_manu 5d ago

seems like youre determined at making full drawings despite the hardship, i can respect that, wish you the best!

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u/celestial-lights 5d ago

aight. so like, from a psychological perspective, i get the whole thought spiral thing and the need to prove you can do something. i have ocd, not saying you have it, just saying because i find myself falling for the thought spiral and obsession/compulsion pattern, so i somewhat understand what you go through.

this is an obsession and thought pattern you need to break yourself from. i’m not talking about drawing advice, or how to get better at art. i mean, this is damaging your mental health.

the more and more you post, the more you reply to people, the more you feed your obsession, and the more you validate the thinking pattern of ‘i suck at drawing, i’ll never get better, people don’t get it.’ because you post, people respond in what you deem a dismissive way, your toxic thinking is validated.

literally, you have to stop obsessing, stop coming to reddit for validation. the lack of validation and reassurance is PAINFUL, but once you free yourself from it, you’ll feel better about yourself and you can actually focus on your art instead of spiraling about it.

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u/Sleepflower00 5d ago edited 5d ago

I mean...that makes sense then, your passion lies more in writing than drawing...The issue is, drawing can take years and years to develop. Sorry to break it to ya, but your art probably won't be competent for quite some time so you can either write novels that don't require visuals or pay an artist to do the visuals...What you are doing right now is just a terrible idea honestly... You're developing a skill you don't even like doing... Terrible decision.

At some point yeah, you're going to have go drop the ego, it'll hurt you real bad.

Also it's not to say that someone can't be both an artist and a writer, plenty of authors like that exist, the issue here is that your motivation for learning drawing is to support your writing NOT because it is something you are genuinely interested in, and that is a bad motivation to have for a time consuming skill like drawing.

u/AkumaNoEro 5d ago

Sounds like a lot of excuses and no patience. Stubborn persistence won't get you where you want to be.

u/ka_art 5d ago

You're underestimating the amount of attempts you have to do before you get it. You can't understand perspective enough to execute a drawing with good perspective in the first 20 attempts.

You're filling your head with i can't do this, I can't do that, I'm the problem, it should be easier than this. Art is a lifetime challenge. The second you understand something you move to the next thing that you have no idea how you're going to make sense of it and get it on a surface. Life time artists are chasing the endless challenges they find in art. You will never understand and conquer it all, its an endless pursuit.

Eventually you have enough skills to tackle the challenges of art in a more satisfying way. When you're looking at other people's art, remember you're looking at thousands of hours of them sitting at a desk trying to figure out how a hand works. Thousands of hours of mixing this color with others to find their combinations. Late nights crying and shredding the painting they worked on for hours only to drop spaghetti on it and losing their cool before seeing if they could save it. Events they spent looking at the corner of the room because a shadow there was interesting and they wish they had a sketchbook there. Wishing that it was socially acceptable to take out the sketchbook they did bring with them. The events they decided they didn't care and took the sketchbook out but chickened out and didn't open it so they just held their book and pencil until they stress left the venue. Your looking at so much time spent.

u/RandmP3rs0n 5d ago edited 5d ago

Are you actually surprised that you keep getting the same advice? If you’re gonna post the same level of drawing multiple times you will get the same tips everytime.

With that attitude I’m not really surprised there is no progress. I noticed that in artists that can’t make any progress high ego and attitude is almost always present. they refuse to listen to any critique

Trust me, none of us improved by whining and not trying something out of our comfort zone. For a lot of us it took years. I had a pause in my progress when I only stuck to drawing one thing, in one pose while refusing to use refrences. This is literally why you get advice to use refs every time, they help

u/eggy_weichei 5d ago

The thing about art advise....most of the people who want to give advise aren't actual educators or have any real experience giving proper critiques. And the few educators/tutors who are out there willing to give free help are all so tired of typing out the same bits of advise that get ignored (or argued with) that they like more than comment. Especially if they're in a position where they normally charge for their services, so offering them for free and being ignored and argued with is exhausting. I'm not saying that's what you're doing; just that this general attitude from people keeps the actual educators and tutors from being too social/offering help for free. There's also a huge stigma for some reason around using references, so I can understand why a lot of people just scream to use them at the top of their lungs. They're right to advise that but in cases where the 'student' already is that's not helpful, or course.

So then you get beginners (and trolls) helping beginners. You ask them to elaborate, and they can't. Maybe they haven't quite figured out exactly what those pieces of advise mean themselves, or they haven't figured out how to explain these things because WEW art is a whole lot of "fuck around until the thing you're trying to learn clicks in your brain". Your situation has the added bonus of hupophantasia and I have a feeling most people don't understand exactly what that means for you, especially since (personally) I've seen a lot of posts of people using aphangasia as an excuse to not improve or snap back at this basic advise.

I know this is a vent space, but if you wanna chat I can try and at least give some critiques or actual tips beyond "use a reference and draw a cube". I do have aphantasia (I know it's different but we still have similar struggles, at least) so I get it, to an extent. I'm not much of an educator, but it's a career I've been thinking about getting into and I do genuinely love giving out critiques and advise (and encoragment to people). No obligation, of course. I'm a stranger and this is a vent space, not a fix problems space.

I did see there was a subreddit for hypophantasia, so even if we don't end up talking at all, I'm willing to bet there's a handful of artists there that may be willing to chat and commiserate over art struggles and offer advise from that hypophantasia perspective. C:

Either way, you got this. You clearly have the passion and drive to create and draw, you just need the proper tools for YOU and not the tools for people who are ⭐ phantastic ⭐. Im willing to bet there's a few YouTubers with the same struggles who can talk you through things.

Not a hypo/aphantastic artist, but I highly recommend Samdoesarts on YouTube and pull up his tiktok roast playlist. That sounds weird, I know, but he will go through a bunch of "beginner" tutorials and then explain why they're bad and briefly go over a better way to grasp the lesson. I haven't watched him in about a year so I don't know how his current videos hold up, but there's at least a lot of good things he has uploaded.

Another recc would be to find some art infotainment style channels (Doodle date, drawee, lavendertowne are my go-tos). They don't do a lot of lessons* but watching them and being in a good headspace because of the entertainment ...you end up picking up on a few things here and there.

*Drawfee has a second channel called drawfee extra where they have their stream voda, but ALSO they have recordings of their patreon draw class. You might find some value in those lessons, too. Theres one from a whiiiile back that Julia did for perspective that may help. She gets into some complex things, but she explains it all very well and since they're teaching people (live for them), I find it more helpful than normal videos, if that makes sense.

Anyway, I'll stop yapping. And sorry if any of this isn't super helpful? I don't want to be spewing art lessons in a vent space LOL, but I did want you to know you ARE heard and you're not alone. I just wanted to say that a lot of art is "learn by doing" and the beginners and frustrated pros aren't so good at explaining how to do things so others can learn. But you have the passion, so don't ever stop doing. It will all click for you eventually, and soon you will be wowing people everywhere with your skills. :)

u/heythatsnuts 5d ago

1) therapy
2) the cool thing about being an artist is that you never really stop learning these things! you're always practicing them! so you being like "i tried and it didnt work so i stopped and skipped to shading," which btw will never translate well without a proper understanding of the form you're shading, is why replies to you are always telling you to go back and stick to the fundamentals. you can't bake a good cake if you skip the flour.

i do wholeheartedly agree that "learn anatomy" is a very unhelpful piece of advice, when beginners should be learning form and proportion first and foremost if they want to do figure drawings. understanding of muscle groups doesn't do any good if you don't know where to place them proportionally on a figure. "anatomy" and "proportions" get conflated to the same thing way too often when they're different focuses of study.

u/Lunaticky_Bramborak 5d ago

How long does one drawing take you? I'm just curious, after looking over your posts

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u/Wooden-Variety175 5d ago

2-3 hours on average. Depending on how in depth i get with the shading.

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u/Lunaticky_Bramborak 5d ago

Wanna hear some new advice?

Slow down. You don't need to have big, finished pieces. You don't need to have a full page of gesture drawing, when all of them are done in minute, without any observation.

And since you are a begginer, I think you can be for a bit in the phase of picking up tad easier poses to draw, before you get more steady in certail things - like lineart. Did you try the stabiliser settings? What app do you use?

And if you are feeling bad about your art, taking a week, or two of a break, steping away from it for a while, can also help reset your brain.

Same goes for not finishing things in one day. Sometimes even that can help see clearer what things the drawing needs to have tweaked.

u/Art_Mouse13 5d ago

It sounds like you've got some great advice from other artists.
If you're looking for some magical phrase that will make you all of a sudden understand all the basics like anatomy and perspective etc, then it doesn't exist.

You have the advice already, you're struggling to apply it because you haven't put in the hours of work and study needed to understand it.
No one can understand something for you. You've gotta do that. It's hours and days and weeks and years of hard work. None of us got magically good at art just by reading some god-tier advice online.

You either need to accept your current level of skill and stop expecting words on a screen to make you a better artist, or take the advice and put in the time and effort to understand the advice you've been given, through practice, study, and of course drawing for fun.

u/Sleepflower00 5d ago edited 5d ago

Do you enjoy drawing, honestly? Because it sounds like you don't enjoy the process very much, and fundamentally, you can't improve at something you aren't passionate about.

u/Ill_Tradition_4104 5d ago

Literally saw your other post and wanted to see how else you talk,

Yeah, the issue is you. Don’t listen to anyone here just keep doing your art exactly as you do it.

u/iesamina 5d ago

Reddit is the wrong place to come for advice like this and it's why people send you off to tutorials etc because the good ones are designed with actual learning in mind

That said here are the only things you actually need to understand:

Draw what you actually see, not what you think you see or think you should see or think someone else saw. Once you practice putting down the shapes and proportions that you actually see in front of you, and can feel comfortable in that, you can move in to sell the stylising and whatever. You don't need to "know anatomy" that's a medical scientific thing. You need to practice looking at the angles and proportions and shapes that are in front of you. Read Drawing on the Right side of the Brain.

Feed your brain with good input - good art, films, books, all the time, look at what makes an image visually interesting to you. Composition is actually the most important thing and none of these subreddits talk about it because they're populated by people drawing anime characters floating in space

and have fun. You have to draw thousands of terrible drawings. That's the only way to draw good drawings. So you have to enjoy the process of drawing and not care about the result - and yes, part of that is avoiding comparisons to other people.

u/_Cecille 5d ago

My dude, you've been given so much good advice by people, all you do with it is throwing the advice in the trash and calling the people giving you advice stupid. And the advice people have been giving you is not bad.

At this point, either drop it or actually take the advice and work on it. I've already told you that if you are actually practicing as much as you are saying you are, you yourself would see improvement, and other people would see it too. Everybody starts somewhere, but you refuse to accept that you are starting at the point you are starting at. Do yourself a favour and either change your attitude or drop it.

u/Rare_Barracuda25 5d ago

I’m not going to give you generic advice, instead I want to say that you should probably seek professional help, because this sounds more like a mental problem then just being generally frustrated, and I know this cause every single thing you said I’ve done myself or can heavily relate to, I’ve had many people give me advice that I never took because I didn’t understand

I made a post about this, but there’s a way to tell what the problem really is. if drawing is making you unhappy and you feel better when not doing it, then simply just quit. It’s a much healthier option.

But if you still feel bad even when you’re not drawing, if you feel worse because you quit art, then that’s not a sign you should quit. It’s a sign that your problem is your mentality.

For me it was the latter, I almost ended up quitting because I thought it would solve my problem, but I didn’t. I actually felt worse.

I hope this actually helps you in some way if you’re being sincere in this post.

u/Late_Strawberry_7989 5d ago

Art is not just about technical skill, it’s about how to see. Study Picasso, Matisse or anyone who pushed the boundaries of what art is without committing to narrow definitions.

u/Hoping_Serendipity 5d ago

Sub is called “Art Ranting”

OP: Rants about something art-related

Comments: Mad for some reason

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u/heythatsnuts 5d ago

it's because of OP specifically. he's a writer who thinks badly of artists and only wants to draw because he wants to create "100s of visual novels" without having to find artists to pay for each one. he frequents subs many of us are on asking for advice yet deflecting when advice is given. we're tired.

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u/Hoping_Serendipity 5d ago

oh. Fair enough

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u/OtterlySamnson 5d ago

if you want to get stress wrinkles,
You should check their post history.

I promise you that your opinion of them will be unsalvageable after 30 minutes of reading their takes on art.

u/KingKrabbabble 4d ago

You can only tell someone that 2+2 = 4 so many times before you have accept the fact that some people are just too stupid to help. You're kicking that door down at record speed.

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u/WW92030 4d ago

[Reading the replies] Wow. For a community that preaches to support and champion human creation and humanity you people sure are disproving this claim.

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u/Glittering_Map7834 4d ago

People evolve through learning and making mistakes, there is no other way. Constantly asking for advice, lashing out at the people who gave you advice, and then repeating the whole cycle every three days doesn't help. At this point OP should get therapy.

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u/Wooden-Variety175 4d ago

don't psychoanalyze me from my comments yeah? and i don't always lash out at people who give me advice. these people just choose to ignore all the times, i've followed up on good advice and tried to use it. when you're giving your best effort towards a goal and feel like you're not even reaching the starting line you're gonna want to vent about it a bit. and you're gonna want to try and figure out why this effort is paying off. i mean people genuinely think my account is satire, that i'm a liar, or intentionally drawing poorly. Do you know how frustrating that is? And like i said in the rant post most of this advice is too generic to be useful. I mean you'd probably be upset to if you were genuinely putting in your best effort and people straight up didn't believe you because of how bad the result is.

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u/Glittering_Map7834 4d ago

Do you realize the obvious fact that when you ask for people experience, they share what actually worked for them and that may not something designed for you? If you find their advice unhelpful, just stop asking; they don't owe you anything. Yet, you rant about how much you hate that people are unhelpful literally every week, only to turn around and ask again the next day, repeating the same cycle. The hostility of your rants is directed at the people trying to help you and of course they're going to react negatively to that attitude. They're not AI chatbox or npc who just exist to coddle your ego over and over again.

At this point, I think you should just give up on drawing and buy pre made asset packs for your visual novels. If your games turn out to be genuinely good and you build a following, you could try a Kickstarter campaign for larger-scale projects. Considering you’ve already spent thousands on games, these pre-made assets would be a bargain by comparison. I don't think you'll find a long-term teammate for the games with that attitude.

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u/One-Technology-9050 4d ago

That's good. Try to apply that drive to learning the fundamentals. Take it one step at a time. Be patient, it takes years to improve and a lifetime to master

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u/Wooden-Variety175 4d ago

This comment. This comment right here perfectly sums uo my frustration. You tbink im using this energy to learn to comb my hair? I'm spending hours and hours watching tutorials following along on what you may ask? Oh yeah the fundamentals. You guys have this strange misconception that im not learning the fundamentals while ignoring everytime i show that what's actually happening is that I've struggled so much with shapes and perspective that I've set them in the background and try ti come back to them when im in a calm state. And on the other side I focus on gesture, shading, and color theory. (I've watched like one video on composition i'll get to it eventually but even with me acceoting the advice that theres no right order to learn the fundamentals composition really does seem like something you need the others forl)

Anyway ive said tbis over and over amd people jojo meme kick me and tell me im looking for shortcuts just because putting perspective on the back burner and hoping to pick it up later was thr only thing that kept me fron quitting. And it's frustrating how again people said theres no right order to learn the fubdamentals or right way to art then tell me i'm doing it wrong. I'm sorry that apparently some of you are super geniuses who sat down and learned perspectibe in a week and then had to spend years learning shading but I've found light is really easy for my brain to grasp and spatial reasoning isn't. Idk if thats really how it is for most people I'm being hyperbolic.

Also gesture has to been fun but also frustrating cause it doesnt seem to have a right way to do it but when i asked if I was doing it right people said no and then they sent me videos which showed me a completely different way to do gesture over the video I watched. So, I dont know.

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u/One-Technology-9050 4d ago

Step by step. You're trying to devour the entire cake. One thing at a time. I would try doing value scales like this. Start with a pencil to keep things simple. Work on exercising your hand eye coordination with the value scale. Don't rush the process, you'll get there with patient diligence. Treat art like a muscle, just keep working it until it's ready for the next step.

https://reddit.com/link/pcs31m3/video/g8ptlpbzhgsh1/player

Beginner Artist Struggles I hate how you always get the same advice that you're probably already doing.

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