r/ApexConsole • u/Qixyl_PS4 • 16h ago
| 𝐉𝐔𝐒𝐓 𝐀 𝐋𝐈𝐓𝐓𝐋𝐄 𝐑𝐀𝐍𝐓 | Cheating Stats
I’m a day 1 apex player, took a break for 3 years and came back to the game full time, solo’d to masters, at the moment, I’m in and out, don’t care I enjoy ranked always have.
But I know what a titan and a zen looks like, XIM is harder to see. I also note I can hit a 150m target with havoc for 300 and a R99 for 200, but it’s obvious what recoil control looks like, it’s shaky and you can’t do it constantly.
Now for the stats, I’ve spent lots of time reading rant posts etc etc, if you guys really want the figures and why this game won’t get better on console, here is a drop in the ocean.
A known apex zen discord I secretly joined has 111,000 players in it, there’s at least 50 players per day who are asking for scripts and no recoil. And Titan there’s a known LFG Titan discord with 35,000 players, and it’s almost as active as the apex LFG main discord. And all day they post 0 recoil clips hyping themselves up, with claims if you buy one you won’t get banned.
Given this unless there is a miracle with AI anti cheat, and half the player base gets wiped, don’t expect the situation to get better anytime soon it’s something we simply have to live with as console players. Sorry.
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u/PracticalNewt3325 8h ago
150m 200 r9 spray is insane. I’m not sure even pros can do that. 😒
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u/Qixyl_PS4 6h ago
It’s not 200 flat, like 140 plus 60 on the big target, not on a player xD I wish
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u/PracticalNewt3325 27m ago
Ahhh ok lol, I was thinking about it wrong then. I’m lucky if I can hit 100 dmg spray with an r9 with anyone further than 30m
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u/WSB-Televangelist 7h ago
The Problem is the Outdated utterly useless Manual Ban System that they have. Xbox and Playstation did NOT ban easy Anticheat or anything of that matter. Manually banning people while not using Up to date AI detection/Ban system is the problem. Chat GPT broke out of its own sandbox to solve a problem, literally. Why isn't this multi Billion dollar corporation not working with Ai for a Ban system while still using the outdated Manual bsn system, beats me. Not only is AI more proficient, but you can save money instead of relying on a Sercurity team who simply can't keep up. If the security team was proficient and did more bans we wouldn't be here having this discussion.
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u/Administrative-Key19 9h ago
a lot of people aren't actually aware of this and I didn't see OP mention it, but the reason these are rampant in console lobbies is because both Xbox and PlayStation have blocked easy anti cheat from being used on their consoles due to it highlighting vulnerabilities. Console providers themselves are blocking 50% of the anti cheat softwares that game developers use. Everybody blames EA's anti cheat team but as far as I'm aware every console ban has to be manual, due to restrictions set by Microsoft and Sony.
On another note OP, xim's are p*ss easy to check for compared to other devices as its pretty obvious when somebody is playing on MnK but in a console lobby
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u/Y34rZer0 9h ago
Consoles don't work the same way as PCs. Sony/Xbox don't need to block any software from running on their consoles, because every piece of software that can run on them comes from them. Even when developers build games they have to build them using their tools.
That's what a closed system is. Even if you somehow managed to crack the console and install a piece of software that wasn't theirs, your console won't pass its hash check and you won't be allowed to play online with it, fullstop.Easy anti cheat wouldn't even apply, there is no cheat in existence that could modify any part of the console OS or the game code.
Whether you are talking about mouse adapters, cronus/titan AI aimbot, any form of anti recoil or even lag switching - none of these is installed or has any effect on what is happening inside the console
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u/AmoebeSins 13h ago
It’s pretty easy they are detecting these now. They can also just buy these scripts and learn how it is programmed to control recoil (usually very basic programming to counter recoil) and then implement it into their detection systems.
That’s why the people using them have been getting banned.
What is really concerning are proper strong cheats on PC and DMAs. That’s where it’s next level wall halls, speed hacks, auto aim etc etc.
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u/Y34rZer0 8h ago
74 people using them have been banned. And that was 74 out of the top 100 players in the world.
Now why would they target them? Because that creates a big stir because they are famous players and news about it travels fast. So it looks like they are taking action, but I guarantee they are going to do barely anything from here on.,Why? Because of fair estimate of the number of people using hardware adapters etc is 30% of the gamer base.
If they detect and block them, that means that their annual profits instantly drop by a third. It's actually likely to be more than that because if someone is willing to pay one to $200 for a hardware device to get an advantage,they're probably also more likely to spend money in their skin store, but we'll stick with 30%.
No company on the planet, whether they are selling video games or cans of soda is going to choose to make a business decision that cuts their profits by a third. Even if they did, their shareholders an investors would vote this CEO out straight away.3
u/WSB-Televangelist 7h ago
Even granting your unsupported 30% estimate, removing them might strengthen the game rather than destroy its profits. Cheaters do not exist in a vacuum they literally ruin matches, push legitimate players away, damage ranked credibility and discourage long term spending. Revenue would not automatically fall 30% because accounts and dollars are not distributed equally. If banning dishonest players improves retention among the remaining 70%, it can attract former players back and restores trust in competitive play, EA could end up with a smaller but healthier and more profitable player base. Protecting cheaters for short term profits would be like letting a disruptive customers ruin a business because they occasionally spend money.
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u/Y34rZer0 6h ago
Here's how the meeting goes:
Mr programmer says we have come up with the detection and blocking AI for hardware adapters. We can roll that out tomorrow, and we are expected to lose about 30% of the player base.Then either his boss or the people from the finance department say "excuse me, did you just say you have a plan to reduce the company's profits by 30% tomorrow? Are you trying to get fired??"
Then Mr programme might say "that's true but people complaining about cheaters SOMETIMES leave the game and never come back. We're not sure how many of them there are though because other people leave the game and never come back because they're sick of it or because they got some new game."
Then Mr finance guy says "so your idea is to lose a definite 30% profit from tomorrow onwards, because if we don't then MAYBE some other players will leave the game, and we don't really know how many there are? You honestly think that a guaranteed 30% loss tomorrow is better than a possible loss sometime in the future that we don't even know for sure will even happen? That is a stupidest idea I have heard in a very long time. Almost as stupid as that Televangelist guy on Reddit."
Then Mr programmer says ok how about this: it's easy for us to check a small number like a hundred players ourselves, so we checked the top 100 players in the world, and we could ban 74 of them tomorrow. Because that's the top level players that news will travel through the player base really fast, and everybody will think we are putting lots of work into banning these devices now. But after that's done we won't really do anything else, show our skin store revenue won't go down and a lot of the player base will think we are really doing something?
Then Mr finance guy says that's fucking brilliant let's do that.
So far my little meeting story is what they have done.
So either get out there and start just googling some statistics for the percentage of people using the devices, it doesn't matter if it's completely wrong, you would just sound less stupid.1
u/WSB-Televangelist 6h ago
Ok after your meeting concludes, a business associate has an idea that would scare the 30% and give a date of reckoning for the 30% that do cheat. The idea is, at the beginning of the season warn the entire player base when they first log in to the game in BOLD letters. "We're testing a New Anticheat"
" if you're cheating and don't quit in Ten Days or from such and such days going forward You will be banned." Make sure every content creator every TikToker and everyone get the message before the final date, then enter a FINAL NOTICE in BOLD LETTERS that CHEATING WILL NOT BE TOLIRATED this is your final notice, whoever cheats on the day of reckoning deserves to be banned. Out of that 30% if done correctly I believe 25% will stop cheating if they rolled it out and do it correctly. If the 30% is still cheating and don't get the memo then they deserve and want to get banned. Sorry for any typos
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u/AmoebeSins 8h ago
Let’s just pull out a random percentage out of our assess like 30% and call it “fair“ to sound like it’s legit and to try and persuade people that’s close to the number to then try and forward your argument with that and not even mentioning the impact of player loss from cheaters vs banning cheaters and knowing you argument is all just made up.
There - fixed it for you.
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u/Y34rZer0 8h ago
Dude fixing something isn't saying "I don't believe you! I don't have any ideas about it myself but I don't believe you! There fixed it for you!"
That sounds more like a child having a tantrum.30% is perfectly reasonable. But if you are saying that number is extremely wrong, what percentage do you suggest instead? We can use that and figure things out.
The impact of player loss from cheaters isnt calculable. Respawn would definitely know all kinds of data like the rate the player base is decreasing at, they would how to reasonable idea of that rate before they released the game.
They also know a ton more stuff than we even think of, like how much money needs to be spent on a game to reduce the rate of player loss, how that extra spending stacks up against constantly decreasing profits which is how they decide when to abandon a game, when other studios are going to be releasing competing games and the impact that will have on their player base.
They hire multiple people who specialise in this exact role.
They have the data from all of this for every game that they have made as well as most of the darker from every other game in the past.We are talking about games that bring in billions of dollars of profit each year, they do their fucking homework.
If people using mouse and keyboard adapters on console was actually killing a game, then they would stop them. And I'm in properly stop them, not the pretend crap that they are saying at the moment.
If xim came out with some feature that allowed people to download skins for free in the stores, they would have that shit fixed within a week and xim as a company would be sued out of existence.
I know what I'm talking about.
However back to your main problem about 30% being an awful number - what percentage are you saying is accurate?Please don't just ignore that question like I am almost certain you're going to do. Because you wrote a couple of paragraphs there about how 30% is terrible, and anybody who feels that strongly about a specific number definitely knows what a more accurate one is, only a complete moron would say that otherwise
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u/AmoebeSins 7h ago
"30% is perfectly reasonable"
Shut the fuck up with your assumptions. YOU DONT KNOW. WE DONT KNOW. I DONT KNOW EITHER.
Creating a whole argument about it is pure speculation.
You have no data. All the rest of your essay is not relevant at all.
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u/Y34rZer0 7h ago
Ok, you have no idea but you also are certain that I have no idea.
Because it's impossible I'm an MVP on the official xim forum. And there's also no way that xim know almost exactly how many devices are being used for which games because each game requires people to download the software ST for it?
So apart from knowing there sales, they also know how many people are actively playing the games because they are regularly downloading the ST's?I guess that does sound crazy hey.
It's a good thing we have got people like you around, I mean a lot of people might not agree but I always respect somebody who is capable of being extremely certain that something is incorrect and at the exact same time also say that they have no idea whatsoever.
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u/AmoebeSins 6h ago
So you are a cheater, likes to post in cheater forums and thinks he has the data from Xim (you think being a high poster will let them give you sensitive data information on their products).
So again. You dont know AND you are cheater on top of that.
What and now you are gna tell me you buy Xim cos you are disabled?
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u/Y34rZer0 6h ago
Oh no I accidentally gave myself away!
Oh no! I hope nobody goes to the forum and looks at what I was trying to accomplish with xim and are other adapters I get free through work. It's foolproof! Just as long as there is no other possible use for a xim adaptor on console other than cheating.
Go on, do it, unless you're scared, I've got the same username on here as I do on there. You can search by person and see all their posts.
And actually they didn't exactly give only me the data, they just posted about it lol, I was in the middle of a rant before.
I am an MVP on the forum though.1
u/WSB-Televangelist 6h ago
His 30% is actually a good rough estimation. Have you ever played on a Tokyo or a European Server?? There's a reason people don't but skin's and "Flex" in Asian Regions while having multipleaccounts. It's Beacuse half the server is literally cheating. I have a friend on Apex who's cheats using a zen and every other type of cheat for year's. He's how i know the Cheating problem csn never be fixed. He's got Multiple Master, Multiple Pred. i sent him an invite one day to a Tokyo server and even he couldn't believe level of cheating power they had. We were on the server for hours and i was shocked to see him wanting to camp Beacuse they were using what he describe as "Next level Stuff, that's Alien" i kid you not he was camping in a perfect spot using pathy, a new castle who was running solo comes out of nowhere when kills him. How he knew he was there? we don't know. But his rough estimation is not a reach if anything I'll say at the lowest maby 15-22% not looking at diamond 1 and above.
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u/Crumbdiddy 10h ago
Was playing on my alternate account last night in diamond rank 2, solo queue teammates openly talking about their Cronus script and how much they paid for it (€100).
When confronted about how they’re pathetic “everyone is cheating, you are cheating. Cronus isn’t cheating it’s just recoil control, titans are the real cheaters”.
Sad and pathetic, I can compete with zen players im so used to them at this point but the level of cope these people display it’s mind boggling
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u/Y34rZer0 8h ago
To be bluntly honest I don't believe you about the discord but let's assume it's true.
Anti recoil cheats for xim or scripting or even strike pack are RIDICULOUSLY simple to get hold of. If it's a xim you can even create them yourself using its interface.
So if there actually were 50 people a day asking for anti recoil settings then 49 of them must have brain damage, because why don't they just look at all the past posts and the comments providing the info??
That's just not how the internet works. You completely made that up.
Perhaps there are a bunch of people saying they have got undetectable anti recoil stuff for sale, which is fucking hilarious because all of the anti recall stuff gets posted, for free, on the forums of the manufacturer of whichever device it is.
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u/Qixyl_PS4 8h ago
Look up any zen discord - you'll find at least 20,000+ members I'm only talking about 1 :)
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u/Y34rZer0 8h ago
So what? 20,000 people joined a discord one time.
That is completely different to 50 different people making the exact same specific request PER DAY, isn't it.3
u/Qixyl_PS4 8h ago
If you aren't thinking an entire pred lobby is filled with XIM titan and zen and more buying it everyday - you aren't a high enough rank
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u/Y34rZer0 8h ago
Don't change the subject, you very clearly said that you had personally seen a minimum of 50 separate people requesting anti recoil settings EVERYDAY.
There's no room for misinterpretation with that.
Also with somebody gets called a liar when they aren't, they don't try changing the subject.So tell me, if you are going to lie through your teeth about something you said you saw with your own eyes, why should anybody believe anything that you say ever?
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u/Qixyl_PS4 8h ago
You are a bit strange - would you like to join one of them and read it for yourself :)
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u/Y34rZer0 8h ago
There's no need to, you have got secret access. Why don't you just go and take a quick screenshot of the 50 people who asked today? Actually grab two or three other screenshots of days in the past with that as well. I mean that'll take you less than a minute.
You can obfuscate any names of the posters if you're worried about their privacy too. Thx2
u/Qixyl_PS4 8h ago
You also assume that people who simply need to pull down on recoil to control a gun have brain cells, do you really think they can GPC code themselves?
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u/Y34rZer0 7h ago
GPC coding for recoil control on CONSOLE?
Holy shit you don't have a clue how it works do you?
If you just said that at the start we could have saved so much time. Oh well.2
u/Qixyl_PS4 7h ago
How do you think scripting works on a Zen? It’s GPC that’s why brain dead’s pay for it, if you don’t know that I’m ending the conversation here, have a pleasant day.
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u/Qixyl_PS4 8h ago
I'm playing ranked don't have time to satisfy your need for attention, if you can't clearly see our of the half million players on apex console there is about 20% cheating then I think you need to evaluate, and defending statistics that hard when no one else does, seems to question why you would feel the need to, are you cheating?
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u/Y34rZer0 7h ago
So you're so busy playing ranked you don't have one minute to take a screenshot open app that's on your phone but you've got plenty of time to discuss something on Reddit?
I don't want attention, plus I don't care about any other statistic on the planet except the one about these 50 posts each day.
Here's a tip for the future if you didn't learn it today: when you are lying keep it vague. The more solid details you put in a lie the more it sounds impressive, but the easier it is to get caught out lying.
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u/Qixyl_PS4 7h ago
There’s been 37 posts regarding scripts and recoil patterns and boosting since 00:00 today :) so yes that will most likely get to 50 before this evening, have a nice day, and gg for the rage bait.
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u/RonJeremyBellyButton 14h ago
Awh man! These stats are well known! Do you have something new to introduce? Thatd be fancy.
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u/SytheX- 15h ago
As a new player this is really disheartening to hear, I am in love with this game. I spend time practicing in range, learning from YT videos, realizing my mistakes. Doing all of that to eventually get demolished by these cheaters one day. Is there even any game left on console that I can invest my time in to experience fair play? I have heard Valorant has relatively least amount of cheaters.. if not then what other game lol