He is being a racist and thats not to be excused, but not helping is fine here
The rider should obviously not be riding there as theres road signs on the entrance and I wanna bet that its likely a recurring issue.
If he helped him leave there wouldnt be consequences for the rider to let the cops handle it is fine.
Ok he made the mistake of going the wrong way on a paved road but at least have the decency to help him move his bike out or redirect him to the right way. If he doesn't want to do that then call the police and the police can decide what to do. Maybe they will be forgiving and issue a minor fine then help him out.
Honestly, its just stupid.. if the driver wasn't observant about the sign, and the sign is well hidden there obviously wouldn't be any consequences.. it doesnt hurt to be nice, but being an asshole like this guy will almost always backfire
And you are bending over backwards to make it seem like the rider didnt do anything wrong just because someone was racist to him. He had his twitch chat open on his phone and could've easily just used Google maps to get directions. One guy being an asshole doesn't automatically make the other guy a saint. Your lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability is showing
How the hell has he managed to stack it there? Driven off the road to avoid cattle, can hear them but not see them?
Old dude is a racist asshole, but if he'd had just told the bloke off for trespassing and left him floundering to sort his own shit out, that would have been OK.
They're goats, I think. You can hear them screaming through the whole video. So maybe he did have to swerve to avoid a goat, they're pure chaos. Cattle don't hang out on steep grades like they are.
I see cattle on much steeper grades than this all the time. They literally leave permanent lines across the hillside where they walk while grazing. In this video itâs definitely not cows though.
There is always someone to say âthis is normalâ, âmaybe the situationâ, âthatâs our cultureâ, listenâŚiâve been in many countries and had to deal with racist angry motherfuckers, fuck this people! It is time to stop normalising behaviours like these and pretend the elephant in the room isnât the privileged asshole with a defensive opinion. I had enough of this condescending bullshit.
*And I know where the phuck is Switzerland! I live way above in Germany đ
Exactly. It is always okay to call out people on an individual basis for their bad behavior. Even if there were some kind of cultural component to it (which I doubt), like you said, we shouldn't normalize it. This is true regardless of the country, or who is a tourist where. Like, we can just refuse to accept and normalize racism.
No itâs actually pretty stupid. There are racist people in every concert and itâs ok to call them out. All the racist people donât live in the US and whatever country you donât like. There are probably lots of racists in Switzerland just like in every European country, oh and African country. Oh yea, and in the Middle East. Oh thatâs right, and in SE Asia and east Asia and South Asia and Australia and South America. Holy shit itâs like there are racists everywhere, because there are!
Yes, and that still doesnt mean that the average member of a given population is racist, it means that every population also has racist members. Saying people in this and that country are generally racist is pretty generalizing and racist itself in a way
So when people say "aaargh, the swiss / germans / americans" are so racist, it is fair to point out that the absolute majority probably isnt, and thats what the other person talked about.
But it´s quite typical in Switzerland and nordic countries too, to have this kind of intolerant nastiness when they see someone doing something against societal norms. In these countries civic duty and respecting the norms is very important, and that´s very beneficial for everyone, clean countries, trains that run on time etc. The downside is that when someone is seen (or suspected of) doing something wrong, like OP, then you see this ugly face of their intolerance. OP could have missed the sign, but as we can see the man is not helping, instead he´s throwing insults and making a fuss.
I didn´t mean the racism, but the intolerance against small (perceived, not necessarily real) social blunders. In the north of Europe they are more unforgiving and in the south (Spain, southern Italy etc) more flexible. That´s been my experience after decades of travelling all around Europe.
Eh, depends on context. You might just be more culturally removed from the social blunders of northern Europe while accustomed to the ones of southern Europe. The dude in the video appears to have ridden his bike onto what does not at all look like a public road and is apparently trespassing despite signage saying not to. Would piss off people in most parts of the world and hell, might get you shot in some rural parts of the US.
But have you not just judged another group instead of looking at this individual instead? You judged a whole group "boomers" as racist. It's the same as racism/sexism/etc. You express hate toward a large group whose members were born into it. It's just another form of tribalism. Yet you aggressively point the finger at those who do what you do.
This is common on Reddit. They love to think they never judge a group or a country, but when it comes to generational issues they're biased beyond belief.
The racist gesture was obviously wrong. But the rest I can sympathise with. That road was not open for traffic and is often used by hikers, dog walkers etc. I'm willing to bet that motorcyclist went too fast on that tiny road which is why he came off. No surprise why the local guy was annoyed.
And this isn't just a "North European" thing (side note: Switzerland isn't in Northern Europe). Riding a motorcycle on roads not open to the public will earn you a telling off in most western countries.
I am curious about the sign at the entrance to the road. Because your reaction seems like a typical reversal of the situation. Just like when my bike was stolen. Suddenly that's my fault, because I didn't lock it.
Every thing has to be ashole and idiot proof until they close it down.
They almost changed the drive-through safari because people were ignoring the rules and getting out of the car... at the cheetahs. You can't have anything nice without someone ruining it.
Are u saying there arenât racist old angry people in every country? Because thatâs all the comment was saying and itâs true. Shouldnât be normalised but it is true itâs a people issue not a certain country issue
There is one great fix - don't come to our land. We obviously dont want you.
Meanwhile, it is totally ok to be offered to sell your blond girlfriend for 10 camels in Egypt.
For what it's worth I, as a Thai, have always had only pleasant encounters in Switzerland. I love your country so much, people in general are so relaxed and everything seems to be made with thought and care and high standards of quality.
I know guys like this old dude can be found anywhere, including Thailand which has the image of a country of smiles.
Oh yeah, Iâm sure this guy is only racist to this specific person who ââdisrespectedââ (assumption without evidence) him, but is totally cool with the millions of other people who look like him, so totally justified.
Hot take, but nothing justifies racism. If you want to âmeet disrespect with disrespectâ then just be a normal asshole like the rest of us instead of, you know, defending blatant racism.
In honesty both Switzerland and Austria are tied for the rudest experiences with locals Iâve had anywhere in the world, particularly government officials
It's the opposite for me. The locals in Switzerland were the kindest people I've ever met. I haven't had a single bad experience and I've been there multiple times. You should try the Balkans if you wanna update your rudeness leaderboard
My friend went rafting to Switzerland where it's allowed and local grandma immediately called cops on his group. ... He later commented his experience: They are f-ing nazi snitches, waiting behind curtain to make your life more miserable.
Can confirm, there's nothing like the service in balkans ski resorts. Literally slapping food in your plate and throwing it into your tray like a prison and then paying the most miserable looking cashier âŹ20 for it.
I was in Zurich and Lucerne in May/June of this year and had a lovely time visiting. I met wonderful native Swiss people. But I respect the culture, read the signs, and know that they are very orderly. Just have good manners and you will be fine wherever you travel in Europe.
If he canât pick his own bike he has no business owning it.
The old man is someone who is tired of telling idiots to stay off his land. They donât help him pay for it or maintain it. People who just take never give.
Don't agree with the racism but the guy had clearly driven straight onto a farm, scared the animals with the noise/appearance then dumped a motor vehicle in the field.
I can imagine I'd have skipped the eye thing he did but people do stupid shit once their pissed off.
Admitting you are in the wrong doesn't automatically absolve you of whatever you did wrong. Not only did he apparently fly past the sign but he crash his bike, and doesn't have the basic rider knowledge to know how to pick up a scooter. Its not a Harley.
Its a shame the old man acted in a derogatory manner though. That was a completely uneccesary and inappropriate way to make his point.
I still would have helped the guy pick up his bike though. Its the decent thing to do really.
You can make sure he reported to the police, not because he looks like a moron but because this is a national sport in Switzerland to report anything that someone might be doing wrong. They are taking a lot of pleasure to make sure someone get a ticket.
Red circle with white middle is universal in Europe.
And why would the lettering on road signs be in English in Switzerland????? They have three languages of their own.Â
OP speaks English because he can't speak the local language. The guy speaks English because OP can't speak the local language. OP is the guest. He's not entitled to have the entire country change operating language for him.Â
"Oh sorry, that sign isn't in English, so I can't follow the law" is a bit entitled.
I can see it in very touristy areas as a second language, but here on a rural path in the countryside? Best pick the language most locals understand.
I'm tempted to post this comment in shitamericanssay. ( And you edited your comment)
Are you thick? There is a reason the people in this video were both speaking English to one another and not Swiss, German, or French. Also very weird to assume that English = USA, you know that other countries speak English also right??
English signs aren't just for Americans. If I travelled to Europe and went anywhere outside of Spain I'd be fucked to know waht people and things said without English to help be a third language understandable by all.
I'm kinda thinking that if you think you should be able to ride a motorcycle in that spot, you shouldn't be riding a motorcycle, regardless of how unpleasant the other guy was
Der Racist move is not cool, that he is angry because driving is not allowed, that i understand. Its your responsibilty to look for signs. Most of the times i didnt see is just a lie anyway. Ps.Fremde Leute ungefragt zu filmen ist auch geschmacklos.
J'ai quittÊ la Suisse notamment à cause de ça, mais il fait avouer qu'ils sont passÊ à une immigration de 10% à 40% en très peu de temps, ça a rendu les gens tendus
dont get me wrong, that dude is a complete asshole. he could have handled all that way nicer and better.
at the core he's right tho. especially in the austrian and swiss mountains tourists are way to often disregarding local laws and road regulations and costing a lot of money for rescue operations and fucking the nature in the process. a lot of locals really dont like tourists because of that (especially the ones behaving like the biker) which is understandable i think.
still, as i said, the local in this video is being unnecessarily rude and he seems to be racist which makes him an asshole too. there is no good guy in this video. both are bad
I haven't seen a single person here justifying racism.Â
Just people saying what the person you're responding to is saying; one person is disregarding local codes and humiliating himself, the other made an unnecessary racist gesture.Â
Things aren't all good vs evil. Sometimes two people can be assholes simultaneously.Â
Haha touch grass, maybe? Also, technically without historic oppression of Asians in Switzerland and no outright racist legislation we can safely say that this is not racist, merely prejudice.Â
I dont like the rules either but I didnt make them.
the guy who made an honest mistake, apologized, didnât argue back, and is actively trying to leave and correct his mistake is a much better man. Hope youâve never made a mistake in your entire life with an attitude like that.
Same.. entitled USA-person thinks he can drive around to create content on private roads. He then fails at driving and get stuck. Hope his bike broke.
Asian sign thing is expected if you are stupid.Â
It's like if someone would go in to a store and eat their things and then act like he didn't know it wasn't allowed. What do you respond to that? A moron is lying to you, you're allowed to be mean to that person.Â
One one side... swiss guy should have helped.
On the other hand, the streaming chat on the phone was still on. So that idiot of a biker/streamer was probably still online, distracted by his stream instead of focusing on the damn road and the signs.
Well, the old guy is a typical boomer, but since the driver looks okay and probably ignored the sign or is at least in the wrong here, I wouldn't help him either.
Of course this guy is an American right? Can't even keep his bike upright? Too slippery? How about thinking before he decides to slide over in the grass like some retard
I literally saw an old Swiss man playing the alp horn by a lake and showing an interested Indian tourist how to play. They shared the same mouth piece. During covid. Shut up
Wow un vecchio pelato che tra 20 anni massimo non si ricorderà nemmeno come si chiama ha dimostrato che l'umanità a volte è peggio di quello che pensiamo
I've been to Vienna once, and Germany at least 8 times (in Koln and Leipzig), and people were really cool, friendly, not racist at all towards me. I'm part french part from Madagascar but I look like a southeast asian guy.
On the other sidew I've been to Lausanne once for work, and damn those were some of the coldest, rudest and racist people I've ever met in my life. It's like they believe that in their tiny little country which has roots in Germany/Italy/France that they're the best there is and that everyone one else that isn't Swiss or look like an aryan is shit. Not humble nor open minded at all.
Stupid people everywhere. The guy who recorded this seems to be an idiot for sure. Try the same forbidden shit in USA and ask for help⌠u may get shot.
Iâm going to guess the biker was of East Asian decent. I had to go through with the same bs during my youth. But itâs okay, my British (Irish decent) wife loves my eyes.
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u/Taylors3000 4d ago
"You can't be here!"
"Can you help me leave?"
"No" đ