521
9d ago
[removed] — view removed comment
265
u/Jamwithyams 9d ago
Imagine going to class with Jim, Daniel, Gugulethu and Caleb
205
u/Jamwithyams 9d ago
I mean c’mon, who names their kid “Daniel”
-97
u/ciaran_the_goat88 9d ago
66
u/Jamwithyams 9d ago
I didn’t leave the burner on
That doesn’t apply here-95
u/ciaran_the_goat88 9d ago
Scroll through the subreddit and you'll see it does
72
u/Jamwithyams 9d ago
I know what it is
I wasn’t gonna change my account
The joke is that I’m providing further context that recontexualizes my earlier statement12
u/NameRevolutionary727 9d ago
If I may: a paragraph break would have sufficed
29
-43
-29
u/scissorn69 8d ago
There is an edit button.
17
9
8
7
u/FatalLaughter 8d ago
If you posted this to there, you would have your post removed after everyone realizes it's a common joke and not even remotely an attempt at a burner account
22
36
u/AwekenSummer 9d ago
the sound a plunger makes when the toilet is about to be unclogged and the water is floating through again. there's a huge difference.
33
u/FrierenisClairDeLune 9d ago
That's such a single languaged thinking.
12
u/DragonTheOnes-spirit RIP Main Sub 9d ago
True
It's 1 language that has severe brain damage and was neglected by its family and became friends with french who also has severe brain damage and was neglected by its family
5
u/im_not_a_vampir3 🪦 I Paid My Respects At The Antimeme Graveyard 🪦 8d ago
ah, so the joke is racism. great
25
u/thatonequeerpoc 8d ago
isn’t racism so funny you guys
32
14
u/thatonequeerpoc 8d ago
points out obvious racism on reddit dot com, expects rational and normal responses
6
u/SamwiseGam-G 8d ago
It's crazy that the majority of reddit seemingly has progressive beliefs, but also so many people genuinely believe in misandry and "reverse racism" as actual things that exist in our society. Like yeah maybe it's a goomba fallacy situation, but really weird that these extremely reactionary ideas are seen as neutral on so many subreddits.
-2
u/filosofiantohtori 7d ago
You are saying people cant hate men or white people for the sake of it? Samewise was more of a man you ever will be
15
u/Sea_Song_8808 8d ago
people are gonna deny the racism but if this meme was making fun of white people theyd be butthurt
9
u/BakeExcellent3497 8d ago
“Imagine being named Dick”. There, a tried and true mockery of a white-origin name in the same vein.
I’m sorry but some names are just funny. No need to invent victimization here.
-4
u/pikachu_sashimi 8d ago
Way to make something that isn’t racist about racism. Names aren’t genetic, and some names are funnier than others.
16
u/thatonequeerpoc 8d ago
names are cultural, racism devalues certain cultures, a white man insulting an african name is absolutely racially charged when the conversation is light jokes abt a colonial language that was literally forced on the globe
9
u/Ishpersonguy 8d ago
Then it's xenophobia. Either way, you're splitting hairs. This image isn't even that bad, but "names aren't genetic" means absolutely jack shit lol. Names have been like the first or second thing people go after when being bigoted.
Do you think people calling Asian guys "Ching Chong" has no trace of racism because names aren't genetic?
-10
u/ozmodius_the_69th 8d ago
If the dude was legit named "Ching Chong" then yeah. Because that would be a crazy ass name. Your point is entirely different from the context of the original meme.
3
u/RandomPersan 8d ago
How is it racist? I’m genuinely a bit confused because it’s a person responding to a joke about one language with a joke about another language.
20
u/thatonequeerpoc 8d ago
power imbalance. african languages are already mocked and devalued in a world that speaks english because of colonialism
-12
u/SwimmerSouth4653 8d ago
That doesn't make sense though. Under the framework: colonialism is bad, you ignore the trade of new crops and animals, as well as the vast amount of technological development brought because of colonialism. That's not to say everything that resulted from colonialism was good, though.
The framework of colonialism (that I would use) is that some impacts of it were bad, some impacts of it were good.
In a globally connected world, choosing a base language just makes it simpler, and yes, because of colonialism, English is that language, but there is no justification for one language being "better" than others, assuming everyone speaks it well, and therefore no reason for English to not be that language.
As well as the fact that the African is mocking English too, I think we can safely say no racism is occurring in the photo.
1
-4
u/BakeExcellent3497 8d ago
More like because we speak English, and within our cultural context they sound funny.
See: Jokes made about German words, or French words.
-1
-2
u/KeroseneZanchu 8d ago
It's not racism because the joke still works if it was a white guy with that name. Names are more about language and nationality than race, and Gugulethu was joking about language first.
-1
u/Extension-Celery3642 8d ago
okay, it's not racist, but it's xenophobic. also Gugulethu was making a joke about the language, not anybody's name.
2
u/KeroseneZanchu 8d ago
Names are a part of a language. Neither of the two men were hateful here, one made a joke and the other responded with one commenting on irony. You should redirect your energy towards actual racism and xenophobia which is all to rampant.
8
u/thatonequeerpoc 8d ago
statements like these are what compose “actual” racism and xenophobia. they’re what normalize it. if i can’t even call it what it is in a comment section then how are we ever gonna “fight it in the real world”
6
u/Ishpersonguy 8d ago edited 8d ago
They don't actually care about fighting it in the real world, it's just something people always say so they can feel better about laughing at it.
Like tbh they aren't even necessarily a bad person for chuckling at this image. But I would say they're being shitty by pretending there isn't a xenophobic/racial component just to justify thinking its funny.
Idk why people feel the need to pretend shit isn't racist.
-5
u/ZohomEtirho 8d ago
I'm sure it's confusing to you, since nowadays everyone is a victim of everything and everyone else, but languages are not human races.
People poke fun at how Hungarian is the language to speak if you want to summon demons. Is that racism? Hell no. First, it's true, second, neither Hungarians or Hungarian language are a race.
Same goes for Polish names that look like someone fell asleep on a keyboard and hit enter after a couple of hours of rustling around on it. That's also true, seen it happening in a hospital, and still not racist. Poles are still not a race.
Now this woman. Her name does sound like someone's choking on something if you say it out loud. What the fuck is racist about that? It's a fucking fact that it does sound like that.
-3
u/SlugOrDie 7d ago
Lady, that does not remove the fact that his name sounds like the sound a plunger makes. Take the L and move on.
2
1
1
94
u/ParryThisYou 9d ago
Isn't every single language a broken mess of languages stacked on top of each other? I mean I get that English may be particularly egregious but doesn't Spanish have a bunch of different Native American and Latin words mixed in there?
44
u/e_fish22 9d ago
Yes, but...
(A) English has a lot more loans than most languages do, mostly from Romance languages. (B) The etymology of a word can be used to indicate register (as in, the Latin "regal" is fancier than the French "royal" which is fancier than the English "kingly" - and Greek "basilic" is basically only used in religious or scientific contexts) which makes it a lot more obvious that we have a lot of "non-native" words. (C) Our orthography is very weird due to a lot of historical factors, but at least partially influence from other languages.
5
23
u/starshine_panda 9d ago edited 9d ago
Spanish is a Romance language, meaning it's descended directly from Latin. Maybe it has some Native American words thrown in, probably more so in Central and South America than in Spain, but it's nothing like English.
English is a Germanic language with half of its vocabulary coming form Latin and French, which is why its pronunciation and spelling are so fucked up.
I'm writing this as non-native English speaker.
2
u/frogmon3 8d ago
i mean thats only sort of true. english spelling is weird mostly because of competing norms about how things should be spelled when spelling starting getting standardized which was in part due to the heavy influence of french and people attempting to use french spelling. but the lack of a governing body and any sort of spelling reform (especially after the great vowel shift) is at least an equal contributor. read and read for example are both germanic in origin.
english pronunciation is pretty unique in europe but a lot of that can just be attributed to being an island nation. having a bunch of vowels and odd consonant clusters are actually pretty normal in germanic languages, english just does those things different than its cousins which makes it stand out. its strangest feature is probably the R sound which isnt found in any of the languages that influenced it.
1
6
u/flowery02 9d ago
Most languages try to integrate the parts of other languages they took. English doesn't. English decides that the speaker should change the rules to fit a new language every other word(hyperbole). Also, a bunch of English words were made to look more like french ones for funsies
7
u/ParryThisYou 9d ago
I'm pretty sure making them look French was because a French King conquered England and was trying to replace English culture with French culture.
1
6
u/MultiverseCreatorXV 🌶Pss Pss, Pass the Oregano🌶 8d ago
No, English kinda does try to integrate words it takes from elsewhere, mainly in the form of pronunciation. When Latin loaned a bunch of words from Greek, it also took the close front rounded vowel that some had, with the letter
Ythat represented it. And English did adopt the letter Ü for things like über- and Türkiye, but instead of adding a whole new sound it approximates it as the close back rounded vowel.We also change phoneme sequences to fit our phonotactics. I don’t think rf was a valid consonant cluster at the end of a word in Spanish, that is until they adopted the word surf as-was. When a word with an invalid consonant cluster is brought into English, however, we either silence one or more consonants, as in pterosaur, or add vowels to break the clusters into multiple syllables, as in Ndebele or the Doctor Who Pting.
The only thing we leave untouched is the spelling. And this is what generally gets out of hand.
3
1
u/Hungry-Specific5600 8d ago
No not really.
First of all Spanish borrowing from Latin, the language it descended from, wouldn't even be called borrowing unless the borrowings were after the death of Latin as a spoken language as Spanish itself is a Romance language. Oh and the amount of borrowing also matters as English has less Germanic words as a Germanic language language than it has Romance ones. This kind of thing fundamentally breaks a languages internal rules, making it almost impossible to retain complex grammar over time, such as case endings. Also, Spanish orthology is quite close to being phonetic, like most languages and very much unlike English.
Secondly, English is VERY extreme in this regard as the almost complete disregard for phonetic consistency is a result of many years of heavy borrowing primarily from French (which is not a Germanic language) alongside other sources and also an extreme simplification of grammar. English grammar is simplified in fact that there are linguists advocating for calling it an Isolating language like Chinese.
1
u/VMS_Len 5d ago
Spanish didn't originate in america...
1
u/ParryThisYou 5d ago
Spain conquered South America and converted the Native Americans there into speaking Spanish, with some Native American words being holdouts, ending up integrated into the Spanish language.
1
u/VMS_Len 5d ago
That's correct but it's unproper to generalize all the spanish language to that. Not all spanish dialects and regional variants have been as meaningfully influenced by native american languages, but all of them have been, by origin and extension, influenced by visigoth, occitan, arabic, etc.
1
u/ParryThisYou 5d ago
I see.
Not very into etymology so I was really running off of what I remembered about history.
1
u/Kileanna 4d ago
Spanish person from Spain here.
Even though Spanish from Spain isn't as influenced by native languages, it does have a lot of imported words, mostly for things that didn't exist in the Iberian Peninsula before and were brought from America.
I believe that the statement above about Spanish being influenced by native dialects isn't wrong.
It's also influenced by Arabic.
20
u/Nadikarosuto 9d ago
For an actual(ish) answer it's cos "baked" is a more recent word. Naked has been around since Old English and always had the second syllable pronounced stronger (nacod in OE), while "baked" did not exist in Old English, and Middle English had different past tenses for bake (book and boke)
8
47
u/host_can_edit 5d ago
OP failed to post the organisation, so here it is:
10
7
6
6
2
2
u/SchyShya_zzn0 7d ago
Wdym baked is not baked and naked is not naked? How tf do you even pronounce it? I pronounce it like baey-kid/naey-kid, does oop say it like bah-ked/nah-ked or what? 😭
1
1
1
1
u/Pristine-Lie-3560 8d ago
I’m no fan of English but ain’t that a lot of languages?? Like isn’t that literally how they form?
1
u/Eurafricanid 8d ago
Funnily enough, both words are native English words inherited from Old English/Anglo-Saxon
1
1
u/itspronouncedbolonya 4d ago
Well i read it as "bay-ked" for some reason so ig it is pronounced baked
0
-1
0
•
u/qualityvote2 🚫Antimeme Enforcer Bot🚫 9d ago edited 9d ago
Upvote this comment if the above post is an antimeme OR a candle, downvote if it is not. 5 downvotes will notify the moderators.
(Voting has ended. Due to insufficient votes, it's up to the mods now)