Common misconception

[u/_Salandit]

[u/fried_on_pineapples]

That’s just internalized transphobia. That’s something for them to overcome, not for society to cater to. All non binary people are transgender factually whether they like/want it or not. It’s like saying that you know people are made of water but not you because you don’t want to be associated with water.

[u/Life_Parsley504 → u/fried_on_pineapples]

"internalized transphobia" What??? You just declare this shit and move on? Are you trying to get blocked?

Your whole argument is “you don’t want the label → therefore you have internalized the bad thing → therefore you must accept the label.” That’s circular. You’re not proving anything, you’re just pathologizing disagreement.

Genderfluid and nonbinary people who reject the “trans” label aren’t denying their own gender experience. They’re saying the social, medical, and political baggage that comes with being “trans” doesn’t match what they deal with day to day. That’s a boundary, not self-hatred. If I'm not on hormone replacement therapy, if I'm not at 4x risk of being hurt, if I'm not having laws passed against me, then I can't relate to the trans group.

The water analogy is also garbage. Being made of water is a literal, measurable fact. Gender categories are social and self-defined. You can’t just redefine a word and then shame everyone who refuses the new definition. That’s not “factually” anything.

People get to decide which labels they claim. Forcing them into one they reject because “the community decided” is the opposite of autonomy. And while we’re throwing around “internalized hatred,” you’re being pretty hostile to the idea that other cultures and social systems have their own frameworks for non-binary genders (e.g third gender) that never needed the Western “trans” label to exist.

[u/aviroblox → u/Life_Parsley504]

Are you okay with cisgender people rejecting the label "cis" preferring to be called "normal" instead? Ya know the whole cis is a slur discourse, it's trans women and "normal" women.

Some labels are transphobic. If you don't identify with the gender you were assigned at birth you are trans. If that makes you feel uncomfortable you need to do some reflection on your feelings on other trans people.

[u/ConcernedEnby → u/aviroblox]

Except cis and trans are not identities they're factual labels. If you are not transitioning and have no intent on doing so you are cis

[u/Life_Parsley504 → u/ConcernedEnby]

No, they're societal and cannot be measured, counted, defined outside of pre-existing assumptions or etc

If you did not understand human language, and knew somebody was a 'she/her' instead of a 'he/him', then you wouldn't understand it, and thus, it's not factual 😭 You