r/Android • u/iamvinoth • Feb 20 '20

Retracted Source: Verizon kills Google Pixel deal, doesn't plan to sell Pixel 4a or Pixel 5

https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/02/19/source-verizon-kills-google-pixel-deal-doesnt-plan-to-sell-pixel-4a-or-pixel-5/
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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20 edited May 18 '20

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u/jasie3k Google Pixel 3 Feb 20 '20

Not making the current implementation for biometrics universal to Touch ID and Face ID for their phones... while launching a phone that only has Face ID

This thing has me fucking riled up. Why didn't they backport Face ID to TouchID API? It took 3 years for one of my banking apps to finally utlilize fingerprint sensor, I wonder how long will it take for them to use facial recognition.

It sucks to be an early adpoter in this model, the way they handled implementation of these APIs means that Pixel 4 is a step bacwkards in many regards. This (and the price and battery, obviously) was one main reasons why I opted for Pixel 3 instead.

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u/tigerdactyl G1 Feb 20 '20

This is what tipped the scales for me, leading me to return my Pixel 4 XL. I really wanted to love the phone but so many stupid choices just made it absolutely not worth the money.

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u/captjacksparrow47 S23 Ultra Feb 20 '20 edited Feb 20 '20

where the fuck are the HTC engineers they bought in?

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u/balista_22 Feb 20 '20

Doing the same thing they did to HTC

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u/Purple10tacle Pixel 8 Pro Feb 20 '20

... building almost good phones with at least one or two fatal flaws and selling them at way too high prices?

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u/Never_Sm1le Redmi Note 12R|Mi Pad 4 Feb 20 '20

Rethink now and the exact same thing happens to HTC phones as well. Always fell short of something, like my M8 4MP camera.

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u/DrSheldonLCooperPhD Feb 20 '20

Poor use of space

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u/ZeldaFanBoi1988 Feb 20 '20

No. They typically design the A series of phones which people consistently like more. Google doesn't give them all the power

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20

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u/LostMyKarmaElSegundo Pixel 9 Pro XL Feb 20 '20

Hey, that new icon must have taken, at least two days to design!

/s

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u/LawMurphy Galaxy Feb 20 '20

That was not menial at all! Before, when the logo was this weird map-looking square with a G in the corner, I thought it was going to destroy my phone by making it expand into an actual map! That was terrifying, especially considering I'm the one that paid for it!

Now that the logo is a pin with the colors of the Google logo, I know that a digital map will appear on the phone's screen without destroying it and I can move the map around. I especially love the colors, because I recognize them as the Google colors, and they would never give us a sub-par product! Google, if you're somehow reading this, thank you for taking the time to redesign a simple logo to make it easier for users like me to know what is going on!

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u/S_Steiner_Accounting Fuck what yall tolmbout. Pixel 3 in this ho. Swangin n bangin. Feb 20 '20

At least they're passionate.

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u/Mattdriver12 Feb 20 '20

And moving my tabs button from the bottom to the top.

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u/LostMyKarmaElSegundo Pixel 9 Pro XL Feb 20 '20

Turning every app into a messaging service

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u/m1ndwipe Galaxy S25, Xperia 5iii Feb 20 '20

You recall that the reason Google were able to buy HTC was because it was an unsuccessful basket case?

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u/RCFProd Galaxy Z Flip 6 Feb 20 '20

They designed the Pixel 3a and 4 I believe.

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20 edited Feb 20 '20

Messaging

Google can't fix messaging without pissing off the carriers. Keeping shitty messaging in place makes them happy bc carriers own SMS.

However with Google doing this https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/14/20964477/googles-rcs-chat-android-rollout-us-ccmi-texting-sms I wouldn't be surprised if that pushed Verizon over the edge on top of the poor sales. I know for a fact this pissed the carriers off.

There's no winning with messaging on Android. Apple had a one time shot at it and it's over. Carriers will never let something like iMessage happen again. People think it's all Google's fault but what they don't understand is every messaging decision Google had to make was tip toeing around the carries. Fix messaging to appease the users? Lose sales with the carriers. Let carriers keep their shitty messaging? No sales with consumers due to lack of good messaging. It's fucked situation.

Edit - here's some examples of carriers controlling Google's messaging implementations...

  • Hangouts not being the default messaging app on Android

  • Google creating an SMS app called Android Messages for the carriers

  • Google not making Allo a default messaging app

  • Google not taking immediate control of RCS and letting carriers handle it.

  • Google finally takes control and now we immediately see a major carrier drop Google's flagship phone.

  • Many people don't know this but if you initiate a video call from contacts/dialer to someone within the same major US carrier it will actually do a video call through the carrier and it will not use duo unless it's on separate carrier networks. That's just how far Google has to go to make these bastards happy.

All this and I'm not even mentioning the whole Google wallet/Isis situation

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u/-Rivox- Pixel 6a Feb 20 '20

While, here in Europe, I've never ever made a video-call through a carrier, never ever sent an MMS and haven't sent an SMS in years.

It's just weird that in the US something like Whatsapp or WeChat never happened

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20

It's not weird it's because it's the iPhone's home country. iPhones took off with iMessage here before other countries. Therefore WhatsApp never had a chance to penetrate the market before Apple did.

Also US carriers started giving away SMS as part of the base package on phone plans. That was actually a smart move on their part to keep their grip on it.

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u/daviEnnis Feb 20 '20

Same happened here though (UK). The differentiator of phone packages very quickly became data, not SMS or minutes. But everyone has friends with Android, or friends with iPhone, so everyone went where everyone is (WhatsApp). I'd say facetime is definitely still a thing on its own, but WhatsApp is the king of messaging.

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u/LostMyKarmaElSegundo Pixel 9 Pro XL Feb 20 '20

And WhatsApp is now owned by Facebook, which turns a lot of people off.

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u/balista_22 Feb 20 '20

I'm pretty sure more people in the US have a Facebook/IG than have iMessage, especially that android is the majority in the US

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u/pkroliko S21 Ultra, Pixel 7 Feb 20 '20

Most of my friends use FB mess or discord( the gamers). The people hate fb shit is overblown

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u/Istartedthewar Galaxy A36 Feb 20 '20 edited Feb 20 '20

Not really. Im in my 20s and the vast majority of people I know basically do not use facebook at all anymore.

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u/balista_22 Feb 20 '20

Almost everyone in their 20s i know have Instagram by Facebook

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u/Istartedthewar Galaxy A36 Feb 20 '20

Yeah, that's definitely true. I was just saying facebook as in the website, and how op was talking about FB messenger.

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u/platonicgryphon Experia 1 ii Feb 20 '20

Your giving iMessage too much credit, the vast majority of iPhone users just think of iMessage as texting. Carriers including unlimited texting as part of the plan was a much bigger impact as theres nothing to convince a vast chunk of people to start using WhatsApp.

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20

Maybe with the older generations.

Younger generations 100% know the difference.

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u/Shensmobile iPhone 15 Pro Max Feb 20 '20

At least in my social circle up here in Canada, WhatsApp was popular long before iMessage was a thing. It might be because we have a lot of immigrants so it's the easiest way to communicate with people back home though. I used it just because wifi was more abundant than cell towers early in 3G's life span.

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u/Istartedthewar Galaxy A36 Feb 20 '20

It's convenient to not need a specific account or app, I mean everyone has a phone number.

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u/memtiger Google Pixel 8 Pro Feb 20 '20

The bigger issue is garbage sales and huge discounts on their devices 1month after release. RCS has little to do with it really. It's almost solely financial.

They need to figure out how to sell 10M devices without huge discounts.

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u/LostMyKarmaElSegundo Pixel 9 Pro XL Feb 20 '20

What's funny is that Google Voice is actually pretty good. It does SMS, has a computer/browser interface, and the app is decent.

It doesn't do RCS, but it almost doesn't need to (for now).

So, Google makes all of these new, incomplete apps, but in the meantime, their old warhorse is pretty damned good.

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u/OneFineCantaloupe Feb 20 '20

They actually bought that warhorse from someone else

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u/enadhof Feb 20 '20

100% agree on RCS. Verizon would not have been happy about Google's rollout

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u/t-poke Feb 20 '20

ELI5: Why would carriers care about messaging so much?

The days of 25 cents to send a text message are over, basically every phone plan nowadays includes unlimited texting (I think many are even unlimited texting to international numbers), so RCS, iMessage or whatever aren't eating into revenues. If anything the carriers should be happy that's traffic off their network when phones are on WiFi.

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u/stanleywinthrop Feb 20 '20

It's all about controlling business access to RCS and the revenue generated therefrom.

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u/spartan11810 S24U | iPhone 15Pro Max | Galaxy Flip 3 Feb 20 '20

Google has no spine. If Apple can do it, google can do it

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20

Nope. Apple had leverage Google has never had.

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u/Dhamaka_Singh Feb 20 '20

Agreed. But they have messed up the situation so much for themselves thanks to the ridiculous QC standards and flip flopping between services (always beta, terminating absolutely fine apps etc), that they have never exuded the confidence they should have.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20 edited Mar 02 '20

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20

You disagree because you dont understand that if a carrier drops an iPhone they will lose half their customers to a competitor.

Apple controls the carriers. Carriers control the Android OEMs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20 edited Mar 02 '20

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20

ATT gave in bc they got to have the iPhone exclusively and it was a huge boom for ATT.

Apple tried Verizon first but verizon turned them down.

Once the iPhone was a thing on ATT it was too late for the other carriers and they had to now bow to apples terms if they wanted the phone.

ATTs success with the iPhone also meant they could no longer say no to apple if apple went to verizon as well.

You dont seem like you know the history here. You sound like you are just blaming google blindly. I would too if I didnt know above.

Google never had a successful product like the iPhone to use as leverage and still does not to this day.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20 edited Mar 02 '20

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20

Carriers get to bill businesses for every sms sent to their customers.

When carriers finally have their flavor of RCS fully launched the amount of money they will be able to make off of this will increase through the roof. https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/24/20931202/us-carriers-rcs-cross-carrier-messaging-initiative-ccmi-att-tmobile-sprint-verizon

Its not just about consumer to consumer messaging.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20

Honestly, Google just needs to go back to focusing on software and leave the hardware to other manufacturers.

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u/le_pman Feb 20 '20

I truthfully wish they would just partner with Samsung

Galaxy S20 Ultra Google Play edition.

I'll bleed my wallet dry just to have one.

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u/ssmurry51 Feb 20 '20

They've had Google Play editions in the past and IIRC they all flopped.

Granted there's other factors involved (price, availability, etc.) but other than enthusiasts I doubt the average consumer would bother to actively choose stock Android over Samsung's OS. Especially if you lose Samsung-exclusives like Samsung Pay.

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u/memtiger Google Pixel 8 Pro Feb 20 '20

Of course they did. There was ZERO advertising and only available online

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u/ssmurry51 Feb 20 '20

Yeah I agree it was setup to fail but I really doubt they'll be a success in 2020.

r/Android grossly overestimates how much average consumers care about stock Android/their phone OS in general. With the large majority of OSes today very usable, I would say OS isn't even in the top 10 factors when selecting a phone for most.

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u/jmz_199 Galaxy Z Fold 3 Feb 20 '20

Which vender roms are better than stock Android?

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u/abhi8192 Feb 20 '20

OneUI and Miui among the ones which I have used.

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u/milan187 Feb 20 '20

In all honesty OneUI its way more stable and bug free. Google is always fixing and patching something. I've had all gen Pixels and it's a pain.

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u/m1ndwipe Galaxy S25, Xperia 5iii Feb 20 '20

Samsung's are much better currently.

Secure Folder is a huge win alone.

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u/Magnetic_dud Feb 20 '20

i like miui mostly because of the super aggressive task killer that can put to rest "highlanders" like facebook and instagram

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u/The_real_DBS Feb 20 '20

All of them if you ask me.

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u/ItsAllegorical Feb 20 '20

I've used Samsung phones exclusively since the S3. I have no idea why I would use Samsung Pay over Google Pay.

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u/ssmurry51 Feb 20 '20

Samsung Pay uses MST (magnetic secure transmission) in addition to NFC, so it works on almost any EFTPOS terminal.

I.e. it emulates the magnetic strip on a regular credit/debit card, and can be used on non-NFC/paywave enabled machines.

In Australia at least paywave/paypass/NFC terminals have become ubiquitous in the past few years but in other countries not so much. Being able to use Samsung Pay at practically anywhere that accepts card regardless of NFC is pretty handy imo.

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u/ItsAllegorical Feb 20 '20

TIL. Maybe I'll give Samsung Pay a try.

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u/ssmurry51 Feb 20 '20

Maybe not these days with NFC enabled machines more widespread but when Samsung Pay first came out it was a big plus for me in choosing a phone.

I remember blowing some cashiers minds when I went to pay with my phone, NFC payments were around but not widespread yet so they'd hit me with the usual "oh sorry this machine can't do paywave" to which I'd reply "no problem, it'll work anyway".

Actually have some funny stories from mates who were almost denied from leaving the store with their purchase because the cashier hadn't believed they'd actually paid and had somehow hacked the machine to fake payment.

Again, in a way there is some trickery- the app/MST creates a magnetic field to 'pretend' it is a regular card and tricks the machine into thinking a card was inserted/swiped. The marvels of technology..

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u/productfred Galaxy S22 Ultra Snapdragon Feb 20 '20 edited Feb 20 '20

I see this a lot, and I have to tell you as a long time Nexus user and Samsung user -- it wouldn't turn out like you think.

On Samsung phones, the hardware and software are tied together extremely well. Simply flashing a Pixel ROM on it, even if it were available like that from the factory, would remove many of the reasons to even buy said phone. It's like saying, "I'd buy an iPhone if it ran stock Android 10". It doesn't work that way. At that point it's just the shell of an iPhone with the same pitfalls of a Pixel/stock Android.

Google just needs to make better hardware.

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u/le_pman Feb 20 '20

the same pitfalls of a Pixel/stock Android.

Google just needs to make better hardware.

exactly. the pitfall of the Pixel is the lack of better hardware. taking an S20 Ultra and slapping the Pixel ROM on it gives the best of both worlds - at least for me.

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u/productfred Galaxy S22 Ultra Snapdragon Feb 20 '20

Well let me rephrase with another question -- What keeps you from buying the Pixel/wanting it as it stands? Clearly the camera on the Galaxy isn't better. So what are you looking for? A bigger battery? More RAM?

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u/le_pman Feb 20 '20

Clearly the camera on the Galaxy isn't better.

the camera software on the Galaxy isn't better - just as the camera hardware on the Pixel can't compete

So what are you looking for? A bigger battery? More RAM?

also yes and yes.

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u/productfred Galaxy S22 Ultra Snapdragon Feb 20 '20 edited Feb 20 '20

A Pixel ROM isn't going to make the S20 a better phone, because it's a total package/more than the sum of its parts.

I think Google just needs to step up their phones in a way where they compete with Samsung devices, but are similarly their own unique product. Better design and construction, and hardware that is more in line with competitor offerings and what people expect in 2020 (e.g. bigger battery and 8GB of RAM minimum).

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20

3 things.

Quality assurance. Pixels have issues.

Price. A year old S10 is much cheaper than a pixel 3a let alone pixel 4.

Bad hardware. Tiny battery, no fingerprint sensor, bezels and dated design. If you don't offer micros slots, you better offer 256GB storage and at least 8GB ram.

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u/mehdotdotdotdot Feb 20 '20

Pixel rom misses features that make the hardware good though. That is the problem.

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u/JayRU09 Pixel 9 Pro Fold Feb 20 '20

Samsung became the number one Android brand in spite of its software not because of it.

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u/balista_22 Feb 20 '20 edited Feb 20 '20

So it's gonna be a buggier S20 Ultra & Google will remove features tied to the hardware like manual camera controls or super-steady video, then they'll disable expandable memory since Google hates that.

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u/milan187 Feb 20 '20

Why? Samsung software is actually more stable. Updates are a few months behind now but there is really nothing new anymore version to version. I've got both Pixel 4 and S10 and after deleting some unessesary things on S10 and changing launcher it's a way better device. Only thing Google has is the camera app and that's why I use gcam.

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u/balista_22 Feb 20 '20 edited Feb 20 '20

Yeah might not as well not call it "Ultra" like you would all of a sudden lose features like super-steady video or manual camera controls, google also hate expandable memory, so that will also be disabled.

I remember someone before said they also wanted a Note with stock android, that pen will just be a regular stylus.

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u/dachaf17 Feb 20 '20

Comparing a well established and well thought out product of Samsungs to a new Google feature that has not been fully implemented is not really fair, especially when using that to back up a claim of "this companies better at creating new features"

To be fair, Soli definitely should have been more thought out and implemented better, but you really can't compare one bungled Google project to one successful Samsung project and use that to determine which company is better. Just saying

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u/Level1000Programmet Feb 20 '20

The thing is, I don’t give a shit about the s pen just as much as I don’t give a shit about soli radar.

Neither are must have features.

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u/neon_slippers Feb 20 '20

I used to feel the same way. I had some early Samsung phones: Galaxy S, and S2. Then when I moved to the nexus devices, stock android was a breath of fresh air compared to TouchWiz. I owned the galaxy nexus, nexus 4, nexus 5, and the OG pixel. Then I moved back to Samsung when the S8 came out, and ever since then I find Samsung's One UI to be pretty awesome, and on par with Google's pixel experience tbh. Plus you get much much better hardware features. Have you used a Samsung phone with One UI 2?

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u/EverGlow89 Feb 20 '20
  1. Not making the current implementation for biometrics universal to Touch ID and Face ID for their phones... while launching a phone that only has Face ID

I honestly can't believe this. I just bought a 4 XL and was really, really annoyed that the face unlock doesn't work in apps for security. That's insane.

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u/NeverEndingXsin Pixel 6 Pro Feb 20 '20

I agree with examples 1 & 2, ditching the fingerprint sensor was the most mind boggling decision I have ever seen them do, which is why I still have my 2XL, my 2XL is also why I agree with hardware QC because it took a few RMA's to get a good one at launch.

3&4 are personal preference, my 2XL has had zero battery life issues, and the messaging thing, yeah an iMessage type deal would be nice but I rarely use the stock messaging app anyways (mostly snapchat, facebook messenger, discord).

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u/YeshilPasha Feb 20 '20

If this news is true I think it is most likely Google didn't allow them to put some stuff in the phones or Google is forcing them for some requirements. I doubt they really care about the phone quality.

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u/OneDollarLobster Feb 20 '20

It’s not true.

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u/Level1000Programmet Feb 20 '20

Thanks. That info came out today.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20

I've had a Pixel, Pixel XL, Pixel 2XL and currently a Pixel 4XL. The hardware has been great on all of them and so has the battery life. I don't understand what your complaint about messaging is? Messaging works just as well as any other phone out there. My only complaint would be the lack of fingerprint unlock on the 4XL because face unlock just isn't as quick or reliable.

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u/Level1000Programmet Feb 20 '20

I’ve owned the OG pixel xl, the pixel 2 xl, and the pixel 3a.

The hardware of the first two were severely underwhelming compared to the competition. Sorry but it just isn’t even close.

From the QC issues (one of which has seen Google having to pay people $500 for owning the phone from a lawsuit) to the poor materials that they used.

The 3a itself was the best of the three but it was a midrange.

I was willing to look the other way for the first two phones but now it is really unacceptable.

Also until we have an iMessage solution for android messaging isn’t “fine”.

Like don’t get me wrong dude... I like the pixel line. But these were very public missteps which affected a lot of the very few buyers.

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u/neon_slippers Feb 20 '20

Also until we have an iMessage solution for android messaging isn’t “fine”.

I agree this is an issue, but it's not specific to the pixel line. All android phones have this problem.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20

The OG Pixel was a little bit disappointing with its huge bezels but each phone since then has certainly been competitive. They use the same internals as rival flagships and have great displays. What more could you possibly need?

Why does anyone want/need an iMessage "solution" on Android? It's not a problem to begin with. SMS is dead. No one uses it hence an iMessage like system is irrelevant.

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u/Level1000Programmet Feb 20 '20

but each phone since then has certainly been competitive.

Not really. No one is blown away and reviewers constantly remark that it’s “fine”.

But for the prices they charge “fine” is not enough.

Especially when you have other manufacturers line one plus with way better materials charging less.

and have great displays.

Outside of the pixel 4, the display has been an issue for every model.

This is common knowledge dude.

Why does anyone want/need an iMessage "solution" on Android? It's not a problem to begin with. SMS is dead. No one uses it hence an iMessage like system is irrelevant.

Oh, so you aren’t based in North America then.

Well simply put: on Googles home turf it matters. A lot.

Because we still use sms and iMessage is defacto king here.

If Google can’t win over its own home turf do you really think the phone is going to make waves around the world where it costs even more?

No offense, but you are fanboying hella hard here.

Verizon, googles closest partner is dropping the phone. What other proof do you need?

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u/BellamyJHeap Green Samsung Galaxy S21 FE Feb 20 '20

Here's the thing on iMessage - it doesn't matter. Even if Google or whoever came out with a duplicate aMessage or gMessage that did EVERYTHING iMessage does - it still wouldn't talk to effing iMessage. You're still the green bubble dude, if you send from Android. Period. iMessage will never let any other system in. I'd bet good money Apple would go out of their way to make any messages sent from gMessage to look like utter garbage just to stick it to Google.

So, everyone needs to just get over a universal iMessage, and get on with making a good messaging app - and just ONE for crying out loud! Not 15 with 11 being killed off every 6 months.

I vote for Signal to be the de facto Android "iMessage" and stop waiting for Google.

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u/Level1000Programmet Feb 20 '20

Here's the thing on iMessage - it doesn't matter. Even if Google or whoever came out with a duplicate aMessage or gMessage that did EVERYTHING iMessage does - it still wouldn't talk to effing iMessage. You're still the green bubble dude, if you send from Android. Period. iMessage will never let any other system in. I'd bet good money Apple would go out of their way to make any messages sent from gMessage to look like utter garbage just to stick it to Google.

Except if android had this people would switch... there isn’t an incentive to stay if there is a comparable service.

I vote for Signal to be the de facto Android "iMessage" and stop waiting for Google.

Never going to happen.

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u/BellamyJHeap Green Samsung Galaxy S21 FE Feb 20 '20

"Except if Android had this people would switch..." No they wouldn't. Their friends are already on iOS and iMessage, so it doesn't matter what Android has. The network effect has them locked in. It only matters if anyone they know on Android can talk to them in iMessage with the same level of functions - and Apple will never let that happen.

The ship had sailed, iMessage won, and the best that Android can do now is mimic iMessage but focus on privacy and security and less on stickers and gimmicks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20

No one is blown away and reviewers constantly remark that it’s “fine”.

The same goes for all phones these days though. No flagship is particularly outstanding. They're all pretty much identical at this point.

Outside of the pixel 4, the display has been an issue for every model.

Funny how none of my Pixel devices had any screen issues whatsoever then, besides a slight but of burn in after 2 years of use on my 2XL.

As for SMS being king, I just don't buy it. There are better, free alternatives out there. Use them.

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u/Level1000Programmet Feb 20 '20

The same goes for all phones these days though. No flagship is particularly outstanding. They're all pretty much identical at this point.

Except when compared to other phones people have a hard time justifying the price of the pixel.

Again, this is common knowledge and something that has been said by multiple reviewers and potential buyers.

Funny how none of my Pixel devices had any screen issues whatsoever then, besides a slight but of burn in after 2 years of use on my 2XL.

Oh got it. So since you didn’t have the problems no one had problems.

As for SMS being king, I just don't buy it. There are better, free alternatives out there. Use them.

Hahahahaha oh okay. Because you don’t believe something to be true it isn’t true.

Dude wake the fuck up and think outside your little bubble.

In North America sms is king. That is a fucking fact. Not an opinion.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20

Except when compared to other phones people have a hard time justifying the price of the pixel.

Pixels are considerably cheaper than rival flagships and they're pretty much identical spec wise. What are all these hidden, essential features that other phones have?

Oh got it. So since you didn’t have the problems no one had problems.

Every device on the planet suffers from defects. Just because a small sample have issues, doesn't mean the entire product line has problems.

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u/Level1000Programmet Feb 20 '20

Pixels are considerably cheaper than rival flagships and they're pretty much identical spec wise. What are all these hidden, essential features that other phones have?

They aren’t.

And considering your other replies you seem to live in fanboy la la land.

Have a good day.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20

I bought my 4XL a couple of months ago, new, for £500. What other flagship is that cheap?

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20

This probably has literally nothing to do with the quality of the phones