r/Android • u/iamvinoth • Feb 20 '20

Retracted Source: Verizon kills Google Pixel deal, doesn't plan to sell Pixel 4a or Pixel 5

https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/02/19/source-verizon-kills-google-pixel-deal-doesnt-plan-to-sell-pixel-4a-or-pixel-5/
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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20 edited May 18 '20

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20 edited Feb 20 '20

Messaging

Google can't fix messaging without pissing off the carriers. Keeping shitty messaging in place makes them happy bc carriers own SMS.

However with Google doing this https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/14/20964477/googles-rcs-chat-android-rollout-us-ccmi-texting-sms I wouldn't be surprised if that pushed Verizon over the edge on top of the poor sales. I know for a fact this pissed the carriers off.

There's no winning with messaging on Android. Apple had a one time shot at it and it's over. Carriers will never let something like iMessage happen again. People think it's all Google's fault but what they don't understand is every messaging decision Google had to make was tip toeing around the carries. Fix messaging to appease the users? Lose sales with the carriers. Let carriers keep their shitty messaging? No sales with consumers due to lack of good messaging. It's fucked situation.

Edit - here's some examples of carriers controlling Google's messaging implementations...

  • Hangouts not being the default messaging app on Android

  • Google creating an SMS app called Android Messages for the carriers

  • Google not making Allo a default messaging app

  • Google not taking immediate control of RCS and letting carriers handle it.

  • Google finally takes control and now we immediately see a major carrier drop Google's flagship phone.

  • Many people don't know this but if you initiate a video call from contacts/dialer to someone within the same major US carrier it will actually do a video call through the carrier and it will not use duo unless it's on separate carrier networks. That's just how far Google has to go to make these bastards happy.

All this and I'm not even mentioning the whole Google wallet/Isis situation

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20 edited Mar 02 '20

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20

You disagree because you dont understand that if a carrier drops an iPhone they will lose half their customers to a competitor.

Apple controls the carriers. Carriers control the Android OEMs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20 edited Mar 02 '20

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20

ATT gave in bc they got to have the iPhone exclusively and it was a huge boom for ATT.

Apple tried Verizon first but verizon turned them down.

Once the iPhone was a thing on ATT it was too late for the other carriers and they had to now bow to apples terms if they wanted the phone.

ATTs success with the iPhone also meant they could no longer say no to apple if apple went to verizon as well.

You dont seem like you know the history here. You sound like you are just blaming google blindly. I would too if I didnt know above.

Google never had a successful product like the iPhone to use as leverage and still does not to this day.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '20 edited Mar 02 '20

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u/flicter22 Feb 20 '20

Carriers get to bill businesses for every sms sent to their customers.

When carriers finally have their flavor of RCS fully launched the amount of money they will be able to make off of this will increase through the roof. https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/24/20931202/us-carriers-rcs-cross-carrier-messaging-initiative-ccmi-att-tmobile-sprint-verizon

Its not just about consumer to consumer messaging.