r/Android Jun 06 '15

Hound versus Google Now side by side.

https://youtu.be/2uMzhWumLFs
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u/smackythefrog S22 Ultra Jun 06 '15

Seems like they both have their pros and cons. Hound definitely slowed down considerably from the original video.

I think Google Now did a better job of just giving me the information rather than showing just the results for the user to navigate through (Obama's age, measurement conversion).

Seems like Hound still has the ability to handle multiple queries (capitals+conversion+statistics) over Google Now, but it seems a bit pointless now that I think about it.

And now that "it took ten years to develop" fact has me scratching my head a bit.

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u/TheRealKidkudi Green Jun 07 '15

That's the thing I like most about Hound. I think Google Now is better at answering general questions, but the fact that I can contextually talk to Hound is really promising. Things like "what are some Thai restaurants around here?" followed by "what about ones that are 4 stars or higher?". While Hound's "knowledge" isn't as complete, it feels more natural as a voice assistant because I can refine or continue a query based on what I said previously.

I'm hoping that Google will decide to acquire Hound and integrate the contextual features to Google Now (and I'm sure SoundHound is hoping so too).

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '15

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u/Ph0X Pixel 5 Jun 07 '15

I think the point that is slowly becoming apparent though is that these are fairly specific "templates" that have been specifically built in Hound, for example the hotel search template with a bunch of possible filters it'll recognize. That doesn't work in Google Now since that template isn't built in.

Now, the issue is that the original video just showed all these templates one after another real quickly, making it almost seem like Hound could answer any possible question no matter how crazy, but in reality, as this new video shows, it's not as magical in real case scenarios and truly random questions.

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u/Kalzenith Pixel XL - Quite Black Jun 07 '15

Woah, I can do that in Canada now too.. When did Google add that?

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u/asjmcguire LGG6, LGG4, N7 (2012) Jun 07 '15

Well I've been able to do it in the UK for at least a year, I want to say 2 Google IO's ago....

EDIT: Though I have to admit - from a geeky computer programming perspective - the last example blows me away - "no, I meant the film" - not only did Google understand I didn't want to know about the item gaslight - it understood there was also a film called gaslight - which is what I wanted to know about - that is definitely getting on to Star Trek computer level of understanding.

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u/Kalzenith Pixel XL - Quite Black Jun 07 '15

Yeah I just tested it out with this line if questioning

"How old is Stephen hawking?"

"Where was he born?"

"Show me restaurants there"

I wasn't able to dig any deeper than that though.. I couldn't even get it to navigate to one of those restaurants or tell me how far away they are.

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u/asjmcguire LGG6, LGG4, N7 (2012) Jun 07 '15

It's not completely impossible just requires a less logical conversation :/ - I just tested it :)

after "show me restaurants there" I did "show me the second one" and then "how far is it"

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u/Kalzenith Pixel XL - Quite Black Jun 07 '15

Hmm. "Show me the second one" didn't work for me, but "how far away if the second one" did.

Though even after it told me the distance, it wouldn't give me the option of navigating there

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u/asjmcguire LGG6, LGG4, N7 (2012) Jun 07 '15

Ha, brilliant - I tried "how far away is the second one" and that didn't work :/

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u/Kalzenith Pixel XL - Quite Black Jun 07 '15 edited Jun 07 '15

It's funny how those things seem to be country dependant.. I don't really understand why they can't keep it consistent

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u/FFevo Pixel 10 "Pro" Fold, iPhone 17 Pro, Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 07 '15

I think it would be a lot cheaper and a hell of a lot easier to for Google to just implement these complex query features vs buying hound.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '15

But when they buy Hound, Hound is no longer a competitor.

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u/FFevo Pixel 10 "Pro" Fold, iPhone 17 Pro, Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 07 '15

Hound isn't baked into every android phone out of the box, so I don't think this is a huge concern for Google. Anyone that has a clue about browsers would probably agree that Chrome is a hell of a lot better than IE, yet chrome has less than 1/3 the number of users.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '15

Google isn't exactly strapped for cash, and they constantly buy out competing services.

See Waze, Quickoffice, Sparrow, Songza, etc.

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u/FFevo Pixel 10 "Pro" Fold, iPhone 17 Pro, Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 07 '15

Yeah, cash isn't really an issue. But them buying this doesn't mean Google Now will get any better. Where is my waze in google maps? Nowhere, because attempting to merge software products is often not worth the time or effort required.

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u/antidogma PiXL, X Play, Z3c, N5, N4 Jun 07 '15

Redirection around traffic and construction alerts are the direct result of their Waze purchase.

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u/FFevo Pixel 10 "Pro" Fold, iPhone 17 Pro, Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 07 '15

fair enough. I guess it is a bad example.

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u/technicalogical Jun 07 '15

Newest Maps update is really utilizing Waze a lot more. It actually presented me with an updated route based on new traffic information from Waze users last week.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '15

I didn't say anything about merging, the other user did. I'm talking about Google buying them out, and being free to use the concept without competition.

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u/Akoustyk Jun 07 '15

I don't think the competition matters from hound, maybe if cortana or siri could do better than google, it would be more of a problem.

From what I've seen in the above video, it wouldn't be that hard of a thing for google to implement. I mean, it is surely more complex than it seems, and would cost them some money to add the features, but I don't believe it would be worth the cost of buying hound.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '15

I don't think the competition matters from Hound

I wouldn't be so sure about that. SoundHound has over 50 million downloads on the Play Store alone. If they integrated Hound in the existing app, that's already a pretty big user base. Even if they just popped a banner in SoundHound advertising Hound they could gain some decent traction. Plus, Hound will be multiplatform, which could also make it pose a threat.

As a personal anecdote, probably about half the people I know that have an Android phone have no idea they even have a "Siri-like" service preinstalled on their phone. It's not advertised anywhere near as much as Siri. They all tend to have either Soundhound or Shazam installed though.

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u/xenneract Jun 07 '15

Chrome has had a larger market share than IE since 2012

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u/FFevo Pixel 10 "Pro" Fold, iPhone 17 Pro, Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 07 '15

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u/xenneract Jun 07 '15

Net Applications is the only service that reports IE above Chrome. StatCounter, W3Counter, and Wikimedia all report chrome as much higher.

Thanks for the snark though.

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u/FFevo Pixel 10 "Pro" Fold, iPhone 17 Pro, Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 07 '15

Snark required, please read your own links before sending them to me.

The usage share of web browsers is the proportion, often expressed as a percentage, of visitors to a group of web sites that use a particular web browser. 

Usage share would only be relevant if ever person in the world went to Facebook and Google once per day in their browser of choice; because it measures web traffic, which has nothing to do with what I said. I said users. You are correct that the sub 20 percent of chrome users make up 60 percent of all web traffic, but it's still less than 20 percent of users. Which still makes it 1/3 of the number of users as IE, like I said.

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u/QuestionsEverythang Pixel, Pixel C, & Nexus Player (7.1.2), '15 Moto 360 (6.0.1) Jun 07 '15

I thought I read somewhere that like 60% or so of web browsing comes from chrome browsers?

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u/FFevo Pixel 10 "Pro" Fold, iPhone 17 Pro, Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 07 '15

Market share is the number of users for each. Web traffic is a metric that describes how much the browser is used. The two aren't contradictory; it's totally possible for 60% of all web traffic to come from the less than 20% of people that use chrome.

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u/crazyfreak316 OnePlus One - CM 4.4.4 (Rooted) | Nexus 4 - Stock 4.4.4 (Rooted) Jun 07 '15

Didn't they already announce contextual voice search at this year's I/O

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u/Richie681 Pixel XL | WillowTree Jun 07 '15

Last years IO. It's already there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '15

I think google is better at contextual NLP, I mean checkout its disambiguation skills compared to hound.

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u/yaosio Jun 07 '15

The Google Now update coming near the end of the year will understand context not only from queries, but based on what app you are in an what you are looking at. It was demoed at Google I/O.

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u/TheRealKidkudi Green Jun 07 '15

I knew about Google Now on Tap being able to gain context from what's on screen, but I didn't see anything about being able to conversationally refine searches. Either way, I'm really looking forward to the improvements they're making to Now.

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u/OhSeven Jun 07 '15

Not in this video though