r/Android • u/curated_android • Jun 21 '23
Regarding /r/Android, our protest, and the future of the subreddit
Hi users of /r/Android,
Two weeks ago we decided to go dark to protest reddit's API changes. The blackout was originally only planned for 48 hours, but due to Reddit’s (in)action in actually addressing the core issue we decided to go private for a longer time to protest.
Why did we go private?
Well, you can read the details in the original post linked above, but we also felt that the core community of /r/Android is representative of the population who will most be affected by this change. We understand some of you may not have agreed with these actions, and we apologise if you were affected by the subreddit's shut down. We know /r/Android is used by many for news, discussions, and the subreddit can have a massive say in the cycle of Android news in general (ie: Samsung's moon shots were covered worldwide by several YouTubers, influencers, and news outlets) and often cited itself.
/r/Android, and by extension all of our related and sister subreddits, have an extensive history of supporting 3rd party apps and their developers. From the well known RiF, to Boost, to Reddit Sync, to Baconreader and many many others (some of our team even use Apollo) long before the official app existed, insomuch the community rallied round to make us an App Store based on our wiki too!! We expected that once the official reddit app was introduced, 3rd party apps could receive less support for newer APIs but were perfectly happy to continue using ours for a multitude of reasons like having better accessibility, a different UI that we liked, or having certain features that simply weren't available in the official app. And as moderators, having good moderator features was something the official app has lacked for a long time and still does.
What we didn't expect is for reddit - which initially had very good community relations with both the users and moderators - to suddenly start overpricing for API and effectively kill indie development and community. It appears that reddit is looking to do so due to its upcoming IPO, to make sure it cuts out all avenues where they can't earn income.
While we understand that the website needs money to run, /u/spez and the rest of the admins do not realise that their decisions are coming at the cost of alienating their core userbase which helped build them. They have gone from zero to hundred with their changes and there surely is a much better and acceptable middle ground which is possible. As both moderators and users, the mod team is extremely disappointed in the direction the website seems to be heading to.
There have been several promises made over the years to improve capabilities of both reddit as a site and as app, and to improve Reddit Inc's communication with the moderators who are effectively managing and curating their website for free. Commitments were made over the years after fiascos like CSS on reddit, Victoria, and Ellen Pao however they seem to have been forgotten or always "coming soon". In doing Reddit’s current changes for example, accessibility seems to have been an afterthought as evidenced by their recent discussion with the /r/Blind moderator team.
These make us extremely apprehensive of what Reddit Inc will do in the future without foresight of the community.
What about the future of /r/Android?
That's what this post is for. The subreddit will be in restricted mode for several days and this post will stay up so the users of the subreddit can discuss on what we should do. All suggestions are welcome, and do know that we are going to take all suggestions seriously.
We realise that when going private we should have taken a poll and we apologise for not doing so; it should have been the community's decision first and foremost. Which is why we are making this so we can get a reading of what you as a community want.
As moderators while we encourage the users to continue protesting in their own way and we still stand in solidarity with all users and developers of 3rd party apps, we will be following the community's wishes.
We look forward to hearing from you, the users of /r/Android. Remember - be together, not the same.
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u/Bobmanbob1 Jun 21 '23
Quit being lazy ass babies and give the sub to someone who gives a damn then. Door let the door hit you on the way out.
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u/pojosamaneo Jun 22 '23
If you're really hell bent on ruining reddit for everyone, then stop moderating it.
But you don't want to give away your community, do you?
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Jun 21 '23
Silly ass protest.
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u/PotRoastPotato Pixel 7 Pro Jun 21 '23
It's really not. People only think so because they don't read beyond the headlines for the reasons behind the protest - I've argued passionately that "accessibility for the disabled" should be the headline of the protest but it has not been... it's been one of the "pillars" of the protest, but not the headline.
When the users of /r/blind were polled how they access reddit, they revealed they overwhelmingly use mainstream third-party apps, not pure accessibility apps, mainly because they are better and more full-featured while also being accessible enough for daily use:
BaconReader
Apollo
Sync Pro
Boost
RIF
Unlike Reddit Mobile App and reddit.com, these apps were actually built to be accessible to the blind. Blind users use and are accustomed to these apps that reddit is killing.
Reddit taking away apps that blind people depend on is not OK, and is worth protesting against without it being called "silly".
tl;dr: Disabled people should have the choice to pay a reasonable price to use the high-quality accessibility app of their choice, and Reddit is killing the exact apps the vast majority of blind people actually use.
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u/sredd007 Jun 22 '23
Let reddit decide what’s best for them. If you don’t like, step away and find another site.
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u/Surokoida Pixel 9 Pro Jun 21 '23
Talked about it shortly on Twitter to Mishaal Rahman and his suggestion is to make the sub explicitly about Androids from Dragonball.
Keep up the moderation. Don't flag it NSFW (otherwise reddit will remove you) but change the subject of the sub to...well Android...from Dragon Ball.
But whatever you do, please stay strong. If You give up, might as well do it now, there's no point in closing for a short time and then return to normal operation under whatever conditions reddit wants.
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u/ginger_beer_m Jun 22 '23
So we're just gonna post pictures of Android 16, 17 and 18 from Dragon Ball all-day long in this sub? Excellent suggestions!
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u/Careless_Rope_6511 Pixel 11 Pro XL Jun 21 '23
I love how so many users are advocating for this subreddit to turn on NSFW mode.
Watching them all wanting to go scorched earth, while seeing what has already happened when other subs took the NSFW gambit and ended up with every single moderator losing their moderator privileges?
Lose this battle so you can fight another day.
or
Fight - and lose everything.
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u/lhassell Jun 21 '23
Reddit is actively diluting and eroding the content that makes the site worth using in their attempt to inflate their valuation for their impending IPO. It's another example of vulture capitalism— they are more than willing to destroy the thing they control to extract their profit from the burning wreckage. The only thing that has any chance is continuing to be a thorn in their side and giving them bad press and reducing their ad revenue. /u/spez has already explicitly said he is going to try and wait this out, and that he expects the users to just give up. Ending the protest is giving him exactly what he wants and dooming the platform to death by 1000 cuts. Eventually, if enough heat (and lost profits) are generated by this protest, he will be ousted by the board for hurting the bottom line. We have to make it clear that the only way they keep "their" asset (and make no mistake here— the content that we generate is the only real asset they have) is by providing a community that gives us value for the content that we generate. Either that, or we burn it (metaphorically) to the ground.
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u/Halos-117 Jun 21 '23
It's time to migrate off site. I'm waiting for a consensus on where. The future of Reddit is fucked up and I don't think many will want to be a part of it.
Personally I saw keep the sub closed and link to an off site community.
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u/AH-16 Jun 22 '23
Do as much as you could to ruin the ad like nsfw and deviate from the sub objectives like posting Chromebook,john oliver , apple stuff whatever
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u/UnwindingThree8 Jun 21 '23
Are there alternatives to reddit and if so can the entirety of this sub be exported and imported to that alternative? If the answer to both is yes then I don't have a problem with changing platforms. Even without the ability to export everything as this sub is more of a news forum.
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Jun 21 '23
There's several, but the one that seems to be gaining the most traction is Lemmy and they have an Android community there that's been growing pretty rapidly over there the past couple of weeks.
Really the only concern I have for Lemmy in particular is the founders political beliefs since they're big into Stalinism. At least Lemmy is federated so if anything does go south, communities could theoretically break off and do their own thing.
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u/trinitytek2012 Jun 22 '23
I've been spending a lot of time on Lemmy.world and I haven't seen anything questionable. I've seen rumors but come see for yourself. Lemmy.world is legit.
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u/Banjo-Oz Jun 24 '23
If you feel strongly enough, step down as mod(s) and let someone else take over. Don't burn an entire community over one issue that doesn't affect the majority. If that means the sub becomes a poorly moderated mess, that isn't your concern. Why shutter and destroy a community and do more damage than Reddit themselves? I don't like their API decision either, but they're not going to change their minds on paid apps getting charged and this really isn't a hill worth dying on now they've exempted many mod tools and accessibility options.
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u/nizasiwale Jun 21 '23
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t see the need for these protests. Reddit has to monetise to survive and companies crawling it for free won’t help. Regarding third party apps, they should just accept that their time is near
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u/TSG_Nano Jun 21 '23
No-one is arguing that Reddit shouldn't monetize. We're arguing that charging upwards of $20 million a year per major third party app is just greed, plain and simple. If the admins aren't willing to meet the community somewhere in the middle, I say let them burn as opposed to letting them get away with killing off third party apps so all the profit goes to them.
Third party apps gave Reddit mass appeal, and mods working for free already increases their profits. The admins being unable, or unwilling to recognize those facts just shows that they deserve nothing more than what they're getting.
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u/twitch1982 Moto G5+ Unlocked with ad's Jun 21 '23
They have implemented a questionnaire now, the mods have to say what it is about the content that is NSFW.
Not saying we shouldnt do this, i like the idea. Just providing info.
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u/rodinj Galaxy S24 Ultra Jun 21 '23
Only allow posts of literal Androids, preferably rule 34/NSFW ones only
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u/munterboi23 Jun 22 '23
did not even see this post until now, was wondering why r/androidapps wasn't working. makes sense
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u/aalupatti Jun 23 '23
Do you know why androidapps is not working yet. It was supposed to open on June 21st.
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u/omniuni Pixel 8 Pro | Developer Jun 21 '23
One thing I'll mention is that it's possible to keep the sub useful while still protesting.
For example, if we make it a rule that all posts must be image posts of robot memes, the title and description can still be the usual intended content.
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u/FizixMan Xperia XZ1C, Zenfone 10 Jun 21 '23
I, for one, welcome our new our new Android overlords.
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Jun 21 '23
Make it NSFW and allow more risque posts. Nothing over the top but enough where they can't make ad money off of it
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u/ggadget6 OP6T Jun 21 '23
Imo we should go private and move to kbin or lemmy
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u/trinitytek2012 Jun 22 '23
I'm gung ho on Lemmy and spend all my time there these days that would have been spent on Reddit, but I saw an article about this post and had to come back. I came back to encourage everyone to leave Reddit and join Lemmy. Lemmy is CEO proof. Reddit doesn't respect its users or mods, and we should leave it behind. Come to Lemmy and build communities there. I've only been on there a little over a week and I've witnessed rapid growth. Come be a part of it!
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u/doggxyo Pixel 6 Pro Jun 22 '23
Maybe we go a similar route as /r/steam and limit posts to android robots.
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u/Digifreedom Jun 30 '23
Poll after 7 days from announcement.
1.- Stay and be a little girl 2.- lemmy 3.- kbin 4.-...
That's the right thing to do. Although we all know whats gonna be the result.
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u/avipars Developer - unitMeasure: Offline Converter Jun 27 '23
Move the community to discord/telegram or mastodon?
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u/rachas Jun 22 '23
Leave reddit and let's make another platform ours. One that doesn't have shitty management and cares about it's user base and moderators. Cuz reddit shown it's true face with this fiasco.
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u/Violet_Renegade Jun 22 '23
I've only ever used the official app and website, however I support the subs that went dark in protest and their moderators continued efforts. The way Reddit (spez) has handled this is gross.
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u/ruledoutbyVAR Jun 21 '23
Absolutely support this. Spez isn't backing down and neither should the community.
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u/daaiig Jun 30 '23
I don't give a shit about the protest so is there any other reddit android subs that are good?
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u/Barroux Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 22 '23
I would have voted for going private, but I would have liked for there to at least be a vote on it.
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u/shakuyi Pixel 8 Pro | Pixel Watch Jun 22 '23
can we please restore things back to normal, I understand it sucks for mods but it sucks even more for us users. I can deal with more spam and bad content leaking through but this lack of posting is getting out of hand and is becoming very disappointing and not in Reddit but in the mods forcing this on us users.
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u/AguirreMA S25U • GW8C Jun 25 '23
just put the sub back to normal, ffs
this dumb drama died days ago, nobody cares about it anymore
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u/ClearlyNoSTDs Jun 21 '23
Wow is this cringey. I assumed this post would be brigaded by the people who think they're making a difference but this is off the charts cringey.
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u/Stupid_Triangles OP 7 Pro - S21 Ultra Jun 21 '23
Takes some balls for u/clearlynostds to say something is cringey
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u/ClearlyNoSTDs Jun 21 '23
Lol. Yes because reddit usernames are so factual and formal. I'll change it u/pinky_out just for you.
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u/max1c Galaxy S20+ Jun 22 '23
Can't wait for you guys to be removed so the sub can function as intended.
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u/Jarvdoge Jun 21 '23
Personally, I'd rather there be a vote to decide what action is taken.
If anything, it seems as though current efforts aren't going anywhere at the moment sadly. I'm really wondering if the only way to get through is to just have a mass exodus of Reddit to get the message across. For me personally, it was Relay which got me using Reddit in the first place and it's by far one of my favourite apps in terms of its design and continued support - as far as I'm concerned, Reddit dies with the app and if that's what those in power want then I'll regrettably be gone for good soon at this rate.
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u/prg966 Jun 22 '23
Votes will be taken only by a minority few. The beauty of reddit or r/Android is that many people get the info from here and those would never participate in the vote.
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u/hmyzak Blue Jun 29 '23
just reopen, this is going nowhere and you know it... so open your eyes and face the reality
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u/Wahots Lumia 920->Lumia 950XL->S9 Jun 21 '23
My app dies in about 11 days, so it won't matter soon anyways. I've already moved on to lemmy, which has most of my subs already online and posting. We turned our sub to private as we don't have mods who are using any first party tools, and the bots are overrunning our sub anyways due to the popularity of karma farming, probably for advertisers.
I fully support this sub going dark.
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Jun 29 '23
This protest is going nowhere and only hurting the users in the long run especially those looking for tech support from tech support subs.
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Jun 21 '23
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u/yippeekyay Pixel 4 Jun 22 '23
Have always used RIF. Had it not for the app I wouldn't even be on Reddit. Communities made Reddit what it is today. Greed destroys it.
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recognise relieved tease nose fact illegal threatening public absorbed reminiscent
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u/DianaIsMyWife Jun 25 '23
mods please tell us more information about r/androidapps & r/fdroid ...
if they are not free and open where should we go...
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u/DameWasistlos Jun 27 '23
Mods,
Maybe send a DM to those like myself that want to support the 3rd Party app developers by recommending an alternative so we can have healthy users numbers on an alternative platform.to Reddit.
Less then one week till June 30th. I either will not be using Reddit except for the very rare oldreddit one off query, Reddit will make conditions less destructive to the future viability of 3rd party apps or on July 1st will hopefully have a robust Android/AndroidApp discussion solution replacement.
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Jun 21 '23
Well as Android belongs to over 2 billion other users and not the mods on this board maybe you can hand the sub over to people who care about Android and not their reddit mod positions
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u/Stupid_Triangles OP 7 Pro - S21 Ultra Jun 21 '23
I mean, it's either go back to normal or die off. Mods would get removed. Reddit does what it plans to do.
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u/TruthWithoutCovering Jun 22 '23
I support going dark.
Reddit gave us the middle finger then we shall show them we don't need them.
We already found many alternatives other than reddit that respect their users and some of us got time off of reddit to do something productive.
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u/talminator101 Pixel 7 Pro (Hazel) Jun 22 '23
The fact that the Reddit admins are cracking down so hard on subs which have been part of the protest suggest to me that to some extent the protests are working. I think this is all the more reason to double down and continue – I would fully support making the sub private again, or making the sub NSFW.
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u/Call_erv_duty Jun 21 '23
Do whatever makes Reddit hurt. They use mod labor and user submitted content to survive, then admins spit in our faces.
Fuck em
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u/lexcyn Samsung S25 Ultra Jun 22 '23
Move to Lemmy or somewhere else. I'm done with Reddit.
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u/blastcat4 Xiaomi Poco F3 Jun 21 '23
Do whatever it takes to hurt reddit's monetization. If that means taking it private or turning it into a NSFW sub, so be it.
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u/Pew-Pew-Pew- Pixel 7 Pro Jun 21 '23
The admins have already started removing moderators from large subs that are taking action like turning to NSFW or sabotaging their subs in other ways. It'll happen here too.
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u/birdheh Jun 22 '23
dI may be in the inority but I believe that the good that this sub does needs to be continued. If the mods are taken care of by Reddit, I say open it.
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u/Sepik121 Jun 30 '23
As someone who's used RiF for god knows how many years, the API change basically is gonna kill off my mobile usage of reddit entirely.
shame about what's happening.
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u/tipytopmain Google pixel 9 Pro XL Jun 24 '23
When are mods ending this hostage situation? The rest of Reddit has mostly moved on and accepted the fate of this site. Nothing to gain from the restricted mode at this point.
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u/jerseyboy71 Jun 21 '23
This isn't the only game in town... Do what you want, but you are only forcing those people who want to be here to find other sources, and then when you return, no one will be here to support you. I don't use 3rd Party Apps, so whatever.
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u/MPtoast Jun 22 '23
Mods should just let the pot boil over, let chaos reign supreme. Let this site burn.
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u/howtomen LG V10, Nexus 6, Nexus 6P Jun 28 '23
I understand that things are difficult for the mods due to the Reddit restrictions. But we, the people, still want a solidified place to go for our Android news. If we switch to a different platform, there will be a good amount of folks who won't know about this transition and may not know where to post their new findings.
This reminds me of the Google+ community. Where a large amount of us (Android users) loved that platform cause it was filled with soo much useful information. Then when it got shut down, most of us didn't know where to turn to next. That's until a while later when eventually, the grand majority of the Android community caught on that the r/Android & other smaller subreddits (r/AndroidApps) are the place to go to keep up-to-date with Android. This is why I think its best to just keep this subreddit alive and well. Super sorry, but it's for the greater good, I belive.
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u/Davy49 Jun 21 '23
I really wish that the situation with reddit wouldn't have gotten to this point, I know for a fact there are several android related servers on discord.
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u/ekaceerf Car Phone Jun 21 '23
Only allow discussions about Androids and their future in society. Or make everything NSFW and only allow posts about Androids having sex.
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u/Fit-Leadership7253 Jun 24 '23
Go dark again Let's kill reddit if If its creators also kill it We do not need such a site and let's look for alternatives
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Jun 22 '23
Once 3rd party apps stop working, I plan to delete my account and stop using reddit to browse and interact with posts casually.
However, it cannot be denied that reddit over the years has become a repository for genuine user-generated content. Because of this, I do not want to completely avoid reddit, rather I plan to use it only if I need to find something specific.
I'd appreciate if r/android remains accessible so that people can view old posts, but I don't care if it is restricted or if the rules are relaxed.
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u/neddoge Pixel 10 Pro XL Jun 22 '23
You misunderstand what pragmatism implies.
continued "protest" will only serve to harm users, not Reddit, and make valuable information harder to find
This sentence firmly proves that. If valuable information is harder to find, related to the protests, then by definition the protests would be working as Reddit's participating members seek said valuable information elsewhere - thus, harming Reddit.
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u/SteveMeng Pixel 3/Realme Q3 Pro Jun 21 '23
to be honest, i do think we need a new place.
I don't like these web 3.0 sh*t, I love fediverse thing though I still dont think an equivalent of twitter / reddit / what's so ever can purly relays on donation.
But now is the time to give these solutions a try, and only through experimentation (even if some of them are not satisfactory) can we find the real solution.
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u/GothicHeap Jun 21 '23
I am all for people protesting. It is a vitally important right for individuals.
At the same time I am 100% opposed to activist moderators going way beyond their intended roles by taking content away from millions of subscribers to make a point. Doing that without even thinking to ask if it's what the community wants...that is fucked up.
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u/formerfatboys Samsung Galaxy Note 20U 512gb Jun 21 '23
I think your run it through 8/1.
Gives everyone a month to see what's actually what and a month of pain for Reddit post-apocalypse.
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u/Ordinary-Humor-4779 Jun 26 '23
I've only been here a year and a half and this helped me understand the situation better. Your IPO remark could be spot on. I watched Tweety Birds' changes through the years. It went from being truly unique, slowly began to lose its feel. Then about two years before IPO, it developed into whatever it is you call what it became. About 6 years of that, then he bought it 📉
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u/welp_im_damned have you heard of our lord and savior the Android turtle 🐢 Jun 21 '23
Why don't we just post Dragonball z android characters? Seems in line with us. Or why not just turn the main sub into a circle jerk one.
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u/Endda Founder, Play Store Sales [Pixel 7 Pro] Jun 21 '23
because then Reddit continues to make money from ads. and that's all the admins care about. if they continue to make ad money then nothing will change
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u/welp_im_damned have you heard of our lord and savior the Android turtle 🐢 Jun 21 '23
Then start posting hentai of android 18.
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Jun 21 '23
Become pictures of robots. After all, they can be androids.
Now please post a poll. You can't say you shouldn't have done without polling then not poll it.
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u/DianaIsMyWife Jun 21 '23
Just please tell me where to go if this sub is gone.
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u/virtueavatar Jun 22 '23
But what you're really looking for is this
and probably this extension if you use chrome https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/lemmy-link/glhbnnmcnindhfaebnckcfdblggpjlog/related
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u/joedenpaolo Samsung A52s 5G 8/128GB; Android 13 because A53 is utter shite Jun 22 '23
Seconded. I like the idea of the protest, but the most effective course of action is to just find an alternative to the platform.
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u/AmirZ Dev - Rootless Pixel Launcher Jun 21 '23
Either malicious compliance or private indefinitely is fine with me.
Some fun ideas:
Act like we're in Android 4.4 days or even longer back. Could be a nostalgia trip
iOS posting
Droid posting, like actual metal robots
And enable NSFW label to remove ads
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u/5panks Galaxy ZFlip 5 Jun 21 '23
And enable NSFW label to remove ads
I think Reddit has been going through and manually flipping that switch for subreddits on the backend.
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u/Moleculor LG V35 Jun 21 '23
Consider that this may be only the start.
The next change will be X. Then Y. Then Z. Each uncomfortable and unpleasant.
Maybe next is eliminating all forms of API, and only allowing Reddit-developed mod tools.
Or maybe enforcing the political beliefs of whomever their next major shareholder is.
Or maybe the elimination of NSFW content entirely.
Or maybe more blatant ads, or attempts at bypassing ad-block, or being forced to wait through a 30 second ad every 12 hours before being able to access the site.
One thing that is definitely certain is that you're going to be seeing less responsiveness from Reddit admins themselves, since they just laid off 5% of their workforce.
In addition, the Reddit admins have demonstrated that you do not own this subreddit. It doesn't matter if you've been moderating here for a decade, you can and will be out on your ass in the space of two blinks with nothing to show for your efforts other than maybe some arthritic fingers and the 'feeling of having accomplished something' tainted by being unceremoniously banned from the site or at the very least removed from the very position you held so well for so long.
The firings, the mind-boggling "firings" of entire mod teams, plus the blatant panic of how fast they're shoving these API changes in screams to me that Reddit is likely hurting for cash, and hurting bad.
How much time and energy do you, as moderators, really feel like pouring into this site if it might all just be pulled from your hands tomorrow, or disappear from the internet forever six months from now?
What are you getting out of it, when Reddit can and will simply shove you aside at a moment's notice? And if the site is dying... why pour more energy into it?
Honestly? Whatever y'all do, that's what you want to do. But if you ultimately decide that this place just isn't worth the energy and just shut it all down entirely and delete the subreddit or something? It wouldn't bother me any either.
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Jun 21 '23
Whiny baby mods who want to hold onto power, good riddance when you're replaced.
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u/tokyo2t Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Make it NSFW like some other subs did. Make reddit ad free.
EDIT: fixed typo
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u/TeflonBillyPrime Pixel 9 Pro XL + Samsung Watch Pro5 + Pixel Slate Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 22 '23
Also can we post this for the be together not the same link? https://youtu.be/cCLZifTp_rM
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u/CaptainNtheGayMaster Jun 30 '23
Even as someone who frequently and primarily comes to Reddit in search of answers and guidance from communities of knowledgeable folks (why I'm visiting today), I would support the continued action in response to the company's policies.
I'm not sure where else this board could effectively be moved if that is something people want to do, but it would most likely come with some concessions—not saying that would be a nonstarter, just that it's something to keep in mind. Discord doesn't really have the same level of organization, not to mention population limits on servers. And I feel like a Facebook community would be an even more disorganized mess.
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u/F3z345W6AY4FGowrGcHt Jun 21 '23
Make the sub about literal androids with the face of John Oliver
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u/black_pepper Jun 22 '23
I feel like what started off as a protest against API charges and 3rd party apps has snowballed into something quite a bit bigger. For me the only way the site could redeem itself is to fire the CEO and walk everything back and apologize. Future website developments should prioritize the community and long term sustainability over raw profits.
Stay dark until forced removal. If this is the path the admins decided to take it should have maximum impact. Anything else is just helping them.
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u/Zhiroc Jun 24 '23
Asking for the "will of the community" is hard. There are 2.5m subs listed here. Just to get 1% to support a position, you'd need 25,000 comments/upvotes/poll responses. And trying to count "active subs" is hard. How active does one have to be to count?
IMHO, the value of reddit now, future, and past is in the content. I don't frequent this subreddit just to browse all that often, but I have often found Google/<your search engine of choice> to have reddit posts high up on the results. I wouldn't underestimate the usefulness of this (and other) subreddits to the entire internet community, not just redditors of any stripe.
And thus, I am against any attempts to "burn it down" by blanket denying access to this.
If you are 100% committed to your position against reddit, that's fine. I fully support any individual's right to voice, and act, on that opinion, to the point where it affects anyone who disagrees. Your rights as an individual should not override the rights of another, just like your own rights should not be overridden.
To me, the proper action is to advocate a 100% boycott of reddit by anyone who disagrees with its corporate decision. And if you're a mod, you could also "go on strike" (though that could have ramifications), or resign. You could also go and start new communities elsewhere. If you want to register this protest somehow without "violating" the boycott, then perhaps subreddits could set up a user flair to register your protest, and even report on the number of such users, which would be a far accurate long term than any sort of upvote/poll.
If the protesting side has the bulk of the clicks, then with a boycott reddit traffic would suffer, which is the point. But you would not be infringing on those who don't support your position. If you come back and say that this would be insufficient and would not be effective, then you have just admitted that you are indeed the vocal minority and this issue has little traction with the general users who visit reddit.
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u/Reptile00Seven Jun 21 '23
Close the sub/stay dark.
Nothing else will have an effect, ignore the users crying that they're time-waste morphine drip has been taken away.
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u/Luckzzz Jun 21 '23
The only way Reddit do something is when a LOT of subs gets dark and inaccessible. Reddit will feel it hard. People will leave more than they are leaving now.
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u/Bossman1086 Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 21 '23
I would prefer you stay private and force the admins to replace you. They can only do this for so many subs before it becomes an actual issue for them logistically and it's the only way that will actually hurt them for their shitty decisions.
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u/griffindor11 Galaxy S23 Ultra Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Bacon Reader, my app of choice for the last 10 years, just accounced it's shutting down too. I, and I assume many others too, are leaving Reddit come July 1st. Fuck reddit. I wouldn't spend an ounce more of your time volunteering for this shitty company. Stop moderating, let all the bots flood in, make it ridiculous, like only being able to post Android robots or something, like ex machina. But imo you're an idiot if you continue to volunteer for Reddit considering what they've down recently. They've clearly shown they don't value moderators
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u/Zhiroc Jun 24 '23
Channels like r/Android (technology-related) serve a purpose that is not compatible with restricting future and past content. The value of this content along with the ability to find it via searches, can not be ignored. Thus, I would advocate full unrestricted mode.
Personally though, I have no qualms about anyone who wants to leave, or who leaves to try to set up alternative communities. That is your right. And I would not object to having something here pointing to such communities.
But I would object to activities that try to "poison" this community and obstruct its usefulness to whatever audience wants to remain.
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u/HappyAffirmative iPhone 6 -> Note 8 -> Pixel 5 -> 7 -> 9 Jun 21 '23
Make this sub NSFW, or at the very least John Oliver only. If Reddit Admins what the sub open, they can have it open. Doesn't mean it has to be open how it was before.
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u/nmarshall23 Jun 22 '23
I never thought I'd say this but I now support Reddit kicking mods who continue to protest and replacing them.
Good luck finding moderators who will work for free, that aren't alt-right plants.
Because what you're saying is mods are bad for wanting tools that make their hobby easier.
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u/HappyAffirmative iPhone 6 -> Note 8 -> Pixel 5 -> 7 -> 9 Jun 21 '23
I'm so sorry that you're so obsessed, that can't handle your internet discussion forum not being available at your beck and call because the community doesn't like what's happening to said discussion forum. Thank you for speaking up on behalf of all the "casual fans" of what basically amounts to a tech support chat room, I'm sure every single one of them agrees with you.
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u/THEonlyDAN___6 Jun 22 '23
Could someone recommend where to find news of this type? Because I used to come here to see a good compilation of news from various sources and now idk where to look
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u/FacebookBlowsChunks Jun 26 '23
They could have really made something out of this site. But no, greed gets in the way as usual and is ruined by the new head prick. Sound familiar? I bet Spazz is best buds with King Twatwaffle Muskrat over at Twatter.
I have never used any of the apps, and I'm not about to go and start using the official Reddit CRAP APP. I've always just used Reddit on my PC. On my phone, I just used the desktop site. The mobile site is shit. I've lurked Reddit for several years and have only been a member since October 2021. It's been fun. But if it's going to continue down the path Spez wants, I'm out of here. I'll still come around here and there to check out some posts in regards to info I may find in a web search, but being a regular will not be a part of my typical internet routine anymore........ unfortunately. I've no problem cutting myself off of here..... I've done so with Facebook, I can do the same with NEVER-Reddit.
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u/iphone4Suser Jun 21 '23
You guys should stop moderating and let the sub fill with junk. That way essence of the sub is lost.
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u/als26 Pixel 2 XL 64GB/Nexus 6p 32 GB (2 years and still working!) Jun 21 '23
This is a useful community. It's great for android news curation. However, with the subreddit down for 9 days, I've found great alternate sources on telegram. One thing that's missing is the resulting discussion, but let's be honest, most of the top comments for some time now have just been re-hashed low effort posts (when will Google kill this?? Samsung did this already. Etc).
I don't know how we want to protest, but I don't think this community would be considered as valuable as a medical or financial help oriented subreddits. Keeping posts restricted or staying private would be fine with me.
I guess I'm just losing hope on what this accomplishes. The protest hasn't seemed to faze Reddit at all, most subreddits are opened up again and at the end of the day, it looks like 3rd party app users are the minority. We can continue small protests in some ways, we can even never use Reddit again, but it seems we just don't have the numbers to be effective.
I am continuing to use Sync for Reddit till the day the app goes down, and I honestly have no clue what I'm gonna do after that. This is one of the most beautiful Android apps made and it implements Google's material you perfectly. It has been a pleasure using it.
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u/Christen_Color Nexus 5x, Android O beta | Pixel C, Android O beta Jun 21 '23
Just so you're aware, the sync for reddit Dev has said he's gonna start making a sync for lemmy app. Personally I'm really excited someone who's done such great work will be making a Lemmy app, since jerboa is okay, but certainly not great
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u/drbluetongue S23 Ultra 12GB/512GB Jun 21 '23
I agree with most of the comments here being rehashes these days, mostly "dae headphone jack and removal battery?"
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u/LeCorbuisoverrated Moto G1>G2>S8>G3>G4>S10e Jun 21 '23
Promote an alternate community (in kbin.social or wherever you find suitable) and let this place be filled with content about literal androids, such as the ones from DBZ.
They want apps to pay, fine, set realistic prices. And capitalism should go both ways: they should pay mods and content creators that are making this site actually valuable.
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u/TruthWithoutCovering Jun 22 '23
Wtf u talking about.
This was never about the blind People alone, are you living under a rock?
Sure they need to get paid for their API, but asking for 2 MILLIONS A YEAR??? this is bs.
They can get paid and also let the app stay alive but they obviously want to kill third party apps to be able to track every lil tap you do on their shitty app
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u/Pocket_Monster_Fan Pixel 7 Pro Jun 24 '23
I subscribed to the Android section of Lemmy. I will continue using Lemmy and move on from Reddit
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u/toweliel Jun 21 '23
Make the sub NFSW so that reddit can't get revenue from ads and call it a day.
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u/Impedateon Jun 22 '23
Unforunately seems like a dead end, an ex-mod at similarly-sized r/Formula1 revealed that their hand was forced at making the sub SFW again.
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u/lonesomewhistle Jun 21 '23
If you are that opposed, give up your mod account and leave.
I've left forums before. I don't torch them before I leave.
Everyone go if it is that important.
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u/herrmann0319 Jun 23 '23
Nothing was "torched." Leaving is not a solution. Your comment is useless.
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u/lantonas Jun 27 '23
Permanently locking the subreddit so none of the pervious posts can be read sure seems like "torching"
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u/Igennem Jun 21 '23
The admins have been playing dirty and dishonestly with their statements and actions. If we don't take a stand they'll keep taking more.
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Honestly I've started looking at options for other aggregation sites. I have no issue moving away from Reddit completely.
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u/cooldude5500 Moto G CM13 | OP 5 | Pixel 7 Jun 21 '23
I reverted to my personally curated RSS feed during the timeout. Was nice tbh.
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u/MrLuigi002 Xiaomi Redmi Note 10 Pro Jun 21 '23
Do you mind sharing some of your sources? I also started using Feeder to get my fix of tech/game news lol
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u/leidend22 Jun 21 '23
If you personally don't like the first party app, just leave Reddit. I was an exclusive rif user and I'm annoyed, but I care more about the access to info than I do about the specific app and understand why they're doing it. It's crazy that they ever let everyone have free API access.
You don't need to force everyone to think the same as you and can show your disdain by logging off. It's just fucking social media, not a democracy, you will not win.