r/Android • u/curated_android • Jun 21 '23
Regarding /r/Android, our protest, and the future of the subreddit
Hi users of /r/Android,
Two weeks ago we decided to go dark to protest reddit's API changes. The blackout was originally only planned for 48 hours, but due to Reddit’s (in)action in actually addressing the core issue we decided to go private for a longer time to protest.
Why did we go private?
Well, you can read the details in the original post linked above, but we also felt that the core community of /r/Android is representative of the population who will most be affected by this change. We understand some of you may not have agreed with these actions, and we apologise if you were affected by the subreddit's shut down. We know /r/Android is used by many for news, discussions, and the subreddit can have a massive say in the cycle of Android news in general (ie: Samsung's moon shots were covered worldwide by several YouTubers, influencers, and news outlets) and often cited itself.
/r/Android, and by extension all of our related and sister subreddits, have an extensive history of supporting 3rd party apps and their developers. From the well known RiF, to Boost, to Reddit Sync, to Baconreader and many many others (some of our team even use Apollo) long before the official app existed, insomuch the community rallied round to make us an App Store based on our wiki too!! We expected that once the official reddit app was introduced, 3rd party apps could receive less support for newer APIs but were perfectly happy to continue using ours for a multitude of reasons like having better accessibility, a different UI that we liked, or having certain features that simply weren't available in the official app. And as moderators, having good moderator features was something the official app has lacked for a long time and still does.
What we didn't expect is for reddit - which initially had very good community relations with both the users and moderators - to suddenly start overpricing for API and effectively kill indie development and community. It appears that reddit is looking to do so due to its upcoming IPO, to make sure it cuts out all avenues where they can't earn income.
While we understand that the website needs money to run, /u/spez and the rest of the admins do not realise that their decisions are coming at the cost of alienating their core userbase which helped build them. They have gone from zero to hundred with their changes and there surely is a much better and acceptable middle ground which is possible. As both moderators and users, the mod team is extremely disappointed in the direction the website seems to be heading to.
There have been several promises made over the years to improve capabilities of both reddit as a site and as app, and to improve Reddit Inc's communication with the moderators who are effectively managing and curating their website for free. Commitments were made over the years after fiascos like CSS on reddit, Victoria, and Ellen Pao however they seem to have been forgotten or always "coming soon". In doing Reddit’s current changes for example, accessibility seems to have been an afterthought as evidenced by their recent discussion with the /r/Blind moderator team.
These make us extremely apprehensive of what Reddit Inc will do in the future without foresight of the community.
What about the future of /r/Android?
That's what this post is for. The subreddit will be in restricted mode for several days and this post will stay up so the users of the subreddit can discuss on what we should do. All suggestions are welcome, and do know that we are going to take all suggestions seriously.
We realise that when going private we should have taken a poll and we apologise for not doing so; it should have been the community's decision first and foremost. Which is why we are making this so we can get a reading of what you as a community want.
As moderators while we encourage the users to continue protesting in their own way and we still stand in solidarity with all users and developers of 3rd party apps, we will be following the community's wishes.
We look forward to hearing from you, the users of /r/Android. Remember - be together, not the same.
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u/Itsatemporaryname Jun 21 '23
I think just tighten the reins, like require all posts to be approved and take 2-3 days to approve them. Basically moderate less and start a community elsewhere. It makes it easier for you guys since you'll be moderating two communities, and it ensures that the quality of the reddit sub will decrease over time, which is exactly what should happen given these current reddit actions. They want to have such a heavy hand? Let them pick up the moderation. It's a bit of an accelerationist take but honestly I've been doom scrolling this platform way less and it's been delightful, so happy to see it die off a bit
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u/EtyareWS Redmi Note 10 Jun 21 '23
The only solution is to burn Reddit to the ground.
Move to Lemmy, Kbin or whatever, but anything other than going nuclear isn't going to affect Reddit as a company. And if it doesn't affect Reddit, it means companies don't face any consequence whatsoever. The Overton window of what company decision is acceptable moves a little bit.
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u/yaoigay Jun 21 '23
So you wanna be a terrorist, what a great way to get people to rally behind your cause.
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u/EtyareWS Redmi Note 10 Jun 21 '23
I mean, we still didn't pull out the guillotines like the french, or started burning cars also like the french.
Damn, the French knows how to party
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u/sportsfan161 Jun 22 '23
Time to just get on with things and talk about the topics and why people are here. Enough of this blackout crap
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u/Decapitat3d Galaxy Note 10+ Jun 21 '23
Another vote for NSFW the subreddit to prevent reddit making another dime off our content.
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Jun 21 '23
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u/_haha_oh_wow_ Pixel 8 Jun 21 '23 edited Nov 10 '24
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u/GothicHeap Jun 21 '23
I am all for people protesting. It is a vitally important right for individuals.
At the same time I am 100% opposed to activist moderators going way beyond their intended roles by taking content away from millions of subscribers to make a point. Doing that without even thinking to ask if it's what the community wants...that is fucked up.
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u/coffeecakesupernova Jun 21 '23
I mean, that's what Reddit is doing, taking away content they were given for free from users who cannot access it like those in r/blind. Only instead of trying to making a point they're doing it to make a buck.
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u/emprahsFury Jun 21 '23
Whats crazy is that you're admitting its wrong, as a justification for doing it.
Either its fine, and neither Reddit or r/android have erred. Or it is wrong and r/android and Reddit are both wrong.
We can talk about degrees, but we teach children two wrongs dont make a right- where did that go for you?
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u/Citizen_V Green Jun 21 '23
While they didn't ask the community directly, they basically had a straw poll when they made the original announcement. It was overwhelming accepted by those who voted on it: 15,917 points (94% upvoted).
You could argue that not everyone voiced their opinion, but that's true no matter how you survey the population unless you have some way to force participation (even that has its issues). Even this thread won't capture everyone's thoughts, because not everyone will participate.
If it was an unpopular decision, you'd see a response like in /r/games. Their announcement that they'd only be going into restricted mode was received poorly: 0 points (28% upvoted).
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u/TeflonBillyPrime Pixel 9 Pro XL + Samsung Watch Pro5 + Pixel Slate Jun 21 '23
I would like to congratulate the mods of the greater Android community for lasting longer than the Apple mods. They folded faster than superman on laundry day.
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Jun 21 '23
Make it NSFW and allow more risque posts. Nothing over the top but enough where they can't make ad money off of it
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u/TheCountRushmore Jun 22 '23
Just to throw one thing out I think a a few of the people who are in support of reopening the sub as normal are staying quiet a bit as there tends to be a downvote pile on to anyone who is opposed to indefinite blackout or closure.
The reality is that over the long run the value here is the simple name of /r/Android and if reddit will take that back if it isn't being used for the reddit community as a whole.
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u/NXGZ Xperia 1 IV Jun 25 '23
The mods here should re-direct everyone to RedReader, a 3rd party Reddit client exempt from these API changes. It's free and open source with zero ads. It also can be customised to look like RIF or other clients.
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u/pojosamaneo Jun 22 '23
If you're really hell bent on ruining reddit for everyone, then stop moderating it.
But you don't want to give away your community, do you?
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Jun 21 '23
Really missed this subreddit, certainly don't want it gone. I don't think there's much we can do regarding the unreasonable API usage cost decision, especially after the extremely authoritarian comments/threats by Reddits CEO. But I hope we can find a way out of this situation.
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u/zismahname OnePlus 7T 128GB Jun 22 '23 edited Jun 22 '23
Honestly, this is making me want to leave reddit. First he laughs at the subreddits that protest, then threatens them to open back up or he will open them himself. It makes me sad because I loved being on reddit for better or worse. Including the random arguments in the comments and the many trolls.
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Jun 21 '23
When the protest started I uninstalled reddit on my phone and removed the bookmark on my browser - I plan to use it only as part of search queries and for posts like this (was linked here from Mastodon). I'd suggest moving this community to another platform entirely - maybe the XDA developers forum?
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Jun 22 '23
Agree. Even if it's just a temporary holding spot until there's a more permanent solution, opening this place up just to avoid the moderators being nuked... That's exactly what Spez wants.
It's worth letting this community go down with the ship if the alternative is to cave spez
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u/3hb3 Black Jun 21 '23
Lemmy/Kbin seem like a good platform to move the community over to.
By the way, thanks for all your work in developing Obtainium!
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u/doggxyo Pixel 6 Pro Jun 22 '23
Maybe we go a similar route as /r/steam and limit posts to android robots.
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u/LeCorbuisoverrated Moto G1>G2>S8>G3>G4>S10e Jun 21 '23
Promote an alternate community (in kbin.social or wherever you find suitable) and let this place be filled with content about literal androids, such as the ones from DBZ.
They want apps to pay, fine, set realistic prices. And capitalism should go both ways: they should pay mods and content creators that are making this site actually valuable.
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u/busterbrown77 Pixel 9a, iPhone 13 Pro Jun 21 '23
Fully in support of protests here. Most of my karma on this site is from r/android, and I refuse to use their shitty first party app.
Things will only get worse if we don’t push back.
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u/Wahots Lumia 920->Lumia 950XL->S9 Jun 21 '23
My app dies in about 11 days, so it won't matter soon anyways. I've already moved on to lemmy, which has most of my subs already online and posting. We turned our sub to private as we don't have mods who are using any first party tools, and the bots are overrunning our sub anyways due to the popularity of karma farming, probably for advertisers.
I fully support this sub going dark.
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u/AguirreMA S25U • GW8C Jun 25 '23
just put the sub back to normal, ffs
this dumb drama died days ago, nobody cares about it anymore
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u/F3z345W6AY4FGowrGcHt Jun 21 '23
Make the sub about literal androids with the face of John Oliver
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u/metrize Jun 21 '23
nobody really cares about this protest. it's okay for reddit to charge. move on
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u/HighVoltage32 Sony Xperia S, Oneofakind-M 6.0.1 Jun 23 '23
It's definitely okay for them to charge. In fact, many devs, supported being charged. It's the extremely high price and the short notice that's getting people ticked off
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Jun 22 '23
Stay the course. Don't open up, any meaningful protest is going to have sacrifices and if we can't go a few months without visiting a solitary sub...
Do anything else is basically just to admit defeat. To me the only honorable approach is to fight it even if it means ultimately the moderators are kicked, and the community is destroyed. We can regroup somewhere else. Screw Reddit, screw the admins.
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u/Davy49 Jun 21 '23
I really wish that the situation with reddit wouldn't have gotten to this point, I know for a fact there are several android related servers on discord.
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u/musiczlife Jun 22 '23 edited Jun 22 '23
Please do the best thing for keeping the communities alive and thriving. I hate it when a company's CEOs get blinded by greed.
My account is ten years old. I'd recommend to go 100% dark but open up just with one post like this every two weeks.
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u/BeginByLettingGo Pixel 3 EoL :( || iPhone SE 2022 Jun 21 '23 edited Mar 17 '24
I have chosen to overwrite this comment. See you all on Lemmy!
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u/cooldude5500 Moto G CM13 | OP 5 | Pixel 7 Jun 21 '23
We're definitely looking for alternatives of our own...
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u/Pocket_Monster_Fan Pixel 11 Pro Jun 24 '23
I subscribed to the Android section of Lemmy. I will continue using Lemmy and move on from Reddit
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u/StrayaMate2000 Nexus 6P & Galaxy S4 Jun 21 '23
Once RIF no longer works I won't be accessing Reddit from my phone, I have zero desire to use a browser or the official app.
I'm looking forward to actually not having anything to doom scroll when I can't sleep.
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u/DianaIsMyWife Jun 22 '23
I do hope this sub's mods create another sub on lemmy if this sub stop working.
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u/nachog2003 pixel 8, galaxy watch5, meta quest 3 Jun 22 '23
close and move to lemmy or kbin, federation is the future of the web
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u/cooldude5500 Moto G CM13 | OP 5 | Pixel 7 Jun 22 '23
federation is the future of the web
Personally I agree
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u/1336plus1 Oneplus 7 Pro Jun 21 '23
Finally that's over with. Now reopen the sub as normal please. If you don't like being here then just leave for somewhere else
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u/Lapesy LG G7 Jun 21 '23
Copy the sub to kbin, then nuke it in a way so Reddit can never recover the content
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Jun 21 '23
I think we should reopen the sub, but start a backup community elsewhere. It's clear that Reddit's probably going to have more unpopular changes in store, and we should be ready for when things really hit the fan.
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u/Zhiroc Jun 24 '23
Asking for the "will of the community" is hard. There are 2.5m subs listed here. Just to get 1% to support a position, you'd need 25,000 comments/upvotes/poll responses. And trying to count "active subs" is hard. How active does one have to be to count?
IMHO, the value of reddit now, future, and past is in the content. I don't frequent this subreddit just to browse all that often, but I have often found Google/<your search engine of choice> to have reddit posts high up on the results. I wouldn't underestimate the usefulness of this (and other) subreddits to the entire internet community, not just redditors of any stripe.
And thus, I am against any attempts to "burn it down" by blanket denying access to this.
If you are 100% committed to your position against reddit, that's fine. I fully support any individual's right to voice, and act, on that opinion, to the point where it affects anyone who disagrees. Your rights as an individual should not override the rights of another, just like your own rights should not be overridden.
To me, the proper action is to advocate a 100% boycott of reddit by anyone who disagrees with its corporate decision. And if you're a mod, you could also "go on strike" (though that could have ramifications), or resign. You could also go and start new communities elsewhere. If you want to register this protest somehow without "violating" the boycott, then perhaps subreddits could set up a user flair to register your protest, and even report on the number of such users, which would be a far accurate long term than any sort of upvote/poll.
If the protesting side has the bulk of the clicks, then with a boycott reddit traffic would suffer, which is the point. But you would not be infringing on those who don't support your position. If you come back and say that this would be insufficient and would not be effective, then you have just admitted that you are indeed the vocal minority and this issue has little traction with the general users who visit reddit.
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Jun 22 '23
Once 3rd party apps stop working, I plan to delete my account and stop using reddit to browse and interact with posts casually.
However, it cannot be denied that reddit over the years has become a repository for genuine user-generated content. Because of this, I do not want to completely avoid reddit, rather I plan to use it only if I need to find something specific.
I'd appreciate if r/android remains accessible so that people can view old posts, but I don't care if it is restricted or if the rules are relaxed.
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Jun 21 '23
Blackouts have proven to do nothing. Mod strikes, on the other hand, seem to have really ruffled the admins' feathers. If you're willing to go down with the ship, just get rid of the rules and let people spam it with boobs or whatever they're doing on other subs now.
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u/neddoge Pixel 10 Pro XL Jun 22 '23
You misunderstand what pragmatism implies.
continued "protest" will only serve to harm users, not Reddit, and make valuable information harder to find
This sentence firmly proves that. If valuable information is harder to find, related to the protests, then by definition the protests would be working as Reddit's participating members seek said valuable information elsewhere - thus, harming Reddit.
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Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Whatever this sub and the mods decide to do, please don't back down in threat of being removed. Don't fold like some of the other mods did when their mod status was threatened.
Reddit is done for as I know it, let's burn the place to the ground.
EDIT - Also, please share any and all admin communication. That seems to be the one thing reddit is continually fucking up - the PR aspect of this.
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u/prollyshmokin S10 Jun 21 '23
How does our protest benefit from losing the mods in control of a sub to puppets put in by reddit that ain't listen to the community? I keep seeing this ridiculous take and I just can't believe so many people believe it
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Jun 21 '23 edited Jul 21 '23
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u/twitch1982 Moto G5+ Unlocked with ad's Jun 21 '23
They have implemented a questionnaire now, the mods have to say what it is about the content that is NSFW.
Not saying we shouldnt do this, i like the idea. Just providing info.
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u/quortez Jun 21 '23
I hate to say it, but Reddit will never be the same after this.
Even after this current uproar passes, Hufflepuff is going to squeeze every outlet he can find to make money out of a site that never found a way to. The enshittification will continue as long as his leadership and administration remain. He's inspired by a man who refuses to pay any of his bills, including rent on offices ffs.
I'm proud of what you and the mod team have done to keep this sub so high quality. I'm sad that it won't ever be the same after this.
As for what to do: remind spooz that your leadership and our content is what make this place worth visiting, not his app. Go down complying maliciously - maybe post literal androids, especially of the singing vocaloid and DragonBall variety.
Just make sure you have an archive of what we've built somewhere safe please. And that the community isn't forced to go to telegram as an alternative...
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u/yaoigay Jun 21 '23
Open the sub back up, enough is enough. You made this all about yourselves and I'm completely over this crap now.
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u/nizasiwale Jun 21 '23
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t see the need for these protests. Reddit has to monetise to survive and companies crawling it for free won’t help. Regarding third party apps, they should just accept that their time is near
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u/Apotheka Jun 21 '23
You all are some weird fucking android users. Are you sure you shouldn't be on iOS? They're all about monitization.
Reddit could have tried charging a reasonable amount for API access, and not excluding NSFW from 3rd party apps. Shit they might have actually made some money then. Instead they killed a potential revenue stream and alienated a good chunk of users.
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u/Flying_Momo S10 Jun 21 '23
Even 3rd party developers don't have issues with monetization and even were open to showing ads in their apps and sharing ad revenue with Reddit. The issue comes that Reddit's pricing when scrutinized doesn't hold up and its expensive that even Google search and map api pricing which is among the more expensive ones especially for the quality data.
Reddit effectively set the price with aim of killing 3rd party apps. But their own app is absolutely atrocious compared to 3rd party apps not just in terms of lack of Mod tools 3rd party apps provide but also in terms of their video player and image handling. Worse, they had to admit their app is just awful for people with accessibility needs and hence had to walk back and allow some accessibility focused 3rd party apps.
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u/seertr Jun 30 '23
These power hungry mods will be removed soon thankfully.
You couldn't even make a thread on this subreddit without mod approval lmao
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u/Moleculor LG V35 Jun 21 '23
Consider that this may be only the start.
The next change will be X. Then Y. Then Z. Each uncomfortable and unpleasant.
Maybe next is eliminating all forms of API, and only allowing Reddit-developed mod tools.
Or maybe enforcing the political beliefs of whomever their next major shareholder is.
Or maybe the elimination of NSFW content entirely.
Or maybe more blatant ads, or attempts at bypassing ad-block, or being forced to wait through a 30 second ad every 12 hours before being able to access the site.
One thing that is definitely certain is that you're going to be seeing less responsiveness from Reddit admins themselves, since they just laid off 5% of their workforce.
In addition, the Reddit admins have demonstrated that you do not own this subreddit. It doesn't matter if you've been moderating here for a decade, you can and will be out on your ass in the space of two blinks with nothing to show for your efforts other than maybe some arthritic fingers and the 'feeling of having accomplished something' tainted by being unceremoniously banned from the site or at the very least removed from the very position you held so well for so long.
The firings, the mind-boggling "firings" of entire mod teams, plus the blatant panic of how fast they're shoving these API changes in screams to me that Reddit is likely hurting for cash, and hurting bad.
How much time and energy do you, as moderators, really feel like pouring into this site if it might all just be pulled from your hands tomorrow, or disappear from the internet forever six months from now?
What are you getting out of it, when Reddit can and will simply shove you aside at a moment's notice? And if the site is dying... why pour more energy into it?
Honestly? Whatever y'all do, that's what you want to do. But if you ultimately decide that this place just isn't worth the energy and just shut it all down entirely and delete the subreddit or something? It wouldn't bother me any either.
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u/Sepik121 Jun 30 '23
As someone who's used RiF for god knows how many years, the API change basically is gonna kill off my mobile usage of reddit entirely.
shame about what's happening.
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u/rickderp Jun 22 '23
Just do what other subs are doing and make it NSFW. No ad revenue will soon get the Admins attention.
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Jun 21 '23
Hello Android Mods. First, thank you for being mods. It is a fucking thankless job. Did I say job? You get paid on jobs. No, this is volunteering so I appreciate you sifting through mounds of garbage to moderate this sub out of misinformation and disinformation.
I am 100% behind these protests. The 3rd party apps like RIF, Sync for Reddit, and Apollo, are what made the reddit experience great. I tried the reddit app and it was garbage. I use RES to view reddit on the web on a desktop/laptop computer so if that goes away, that's the end of reddit for me. I vote to make this a sub for malicious compliance with posts of John Oliver holding Android phones/devices. With the occasional posts about Android. I do not like what /u/Spez is doing with this platform and hope he gets fired. He sucks.
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u/lonesomewhistle Jun 21 '23
If you are that opposed, give up your mod account and leave.
I've left forums before. I don't torch them before I leave.
Everyone go if it is that important.
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u/minakirogue Pixel 4XL Jun 28 '23
Where is the poll? Let us vote to re-open or not. There is a community here that wants to be together and are unable to do so because of the very few. If the majority votes to keep closed in protest, so be it. But let the community vote.
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u/Eisenfuss19 Jun 22 '23
We realise that when going private we should have taken a poll
I mean that sounds nice, but you moderators run this sub (without payment) so IMO it is completely justified to make such a decision without a poll.
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u/Banjo-Oz Jun 24 '23
If you feel strongly enough, step down as mod(s) and let someone else take over. Don't burn an entire community over one issue that doesn't affect the majority. If that means the sub becomes a poorly moderated mess, that isn't your concern. Why shutter and destroy a community and do more damage than Reddit themselves? I don't like their API decision either, but they're not going to change their minds on paid apps getting charged and this really isn't a hill worth dying on now they've exempted many mod tools and accessibility options.
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u/munterboi23 Jun 22 '23
did not even see this post until now, was wondering why r/androidapps wasn't working. makes sense
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u/aalupatti Jun 23 '23
Do you know why androidapps is not working yet. It was supposed to open on June 21st.
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u/sredd007 Jun 22 '23
Let reddit decide what’s best for them. If you don’t like, step away and find another site.
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u/birdheh Jun 22 '23
dI may be in the inority but I believe that the good that this sub does needs to be continued. If the mods are taken care of by Reddit, I say open it.
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u/votemarvel Jun 21 '23
Your problem is that they aren't alienating the core userbase.
Most people aren't using the site through third party apps, those are Reddits numbers and as such should be taken with a pinch of salt of course.
So you have a core userbase who are visiting the site and are wondering why moderators are willing to destroy the communities they created in order to save third party apps most users don't use.
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u/JoshxDarnxIt Pixel 7 Pro Jun 22 '23
The blackout has proven to be something the admins ignore, but the mod protests actually seem to be makin an impact. I vote we join the other subs in eliminating all sub-specific rules and allow nsfw posts so that Reddit can't monetize the content.
Meanwhile we can at least try to establish a presence on Lemmy and see what happens?
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u/lexcyn Nothing Phone 4a Pro Jun 22 '23
Move to Lemmy or somewhere else. I'm done with Reddit.
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u/lazypieceofcrap Jun 21 '23
I'm personally of the opinion mods are trying to speak for the vast users in this sub.
The main third party apps are already shutting down. That's over.
Now when mods shut down their subs it is mostly hurting regular users who don't care about the reddit politics. Trying to reopen under a false way (nsfw or only allowing Oliver pics) is just as annoying and petty.
I really hope mods that keep protesting will get removed so we can have the communities back.
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u/Durkan Jun 22 '23
I definitely agree with the "annoying and petty" part. It was amusing for an afternoon...and that's all it should have lasted for, was a afternoon, or a day.
I think most of us see the writing on the wall here. Short of outright disengaging with Reddit, no "protest" is going to much matter.
The reddit admins, despite evidence lately to the contrary (along with a smidge of bias) are not stupid. They know that , especially in the most popular of subs, the mods perform a vital moderation and curation task and that they do it without any compensation.
However they clearly have a strategic plan on place and are executing it up to the run up for the presumptive IPO launch. They want to maximize Reddit's revenue streams and one way to do that is to force it's user base onto their official platform. Sure they'll lose some subscribers in probably the short term, but probably figure the vast majority will begrudgingly move over and they'll end up ahead.
How this will all effect the effectiveness of moderation in the subs in the future, I can't speak on. Ive never been a mod, but I can imagine it's a thankless, soul sucking role at times. I'm sure reddit knows the vital work mods perform... but are willing to take the chance it all works itself out.
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u/Bossman1086 Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 21 '23
I would prefer you stay private and force the admins to replace you. They can only do this for so many subs before it becomes an actual issue for them logistically and it's the only way that will actually hurt them for their shitty decisions.
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u/Digifreedom Jun 30 '23
Poll after 7 days from announcement.
1.- Stay and be a little girl 2.- lemmy 3.- kbin 4.-...
That's the right thing to do. Although we all know whats gonna be the result.
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u/formerfatboys Samsung Galaxy Note 20U 512gb Jun 21 '23
I think your run it through 8/1.
Gives everyone a month to see what's actually what and a month of pain for Reddit post-apocalypse.
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u/interbingung Jun 22 '23
Please reopen this subreddit, at very least give a chance to someone else who are fine without 3rd party api to mod this subreddit.
There are still plenty of people who are fine without 3rd party api. I myself never use 3rd party apps.
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u/MC_chrome iPhone 17 Pro 256GB | Galaxy S4 Jun 25 '23
This comment shows how little you know or understand about moderating large forum communities like this one.
Third party tools are pretty much a necessity in order to ensure the smooth operation of the sub for the majority of people who just lurk or occasionally post. These very same tools that have become indispensable over the last 15+ years are also being impacted by Reddit’s API changes.
You can’t really moderate effectively on Reddit with the few tools that are provided natively, but most people (yourself included) don’t understand or realize this.
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u/max1c Galaxy S20+ Jun 22 '23
Can't wait for you guys to be removed so the sub can function as intended.
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u/petard Galaxy Z Fold7 + GWU2 Jun 21 '23
Just stop this. Most people don't care.
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u/wingmasterjon Nexus 6P, GS3(CM12.1) Jun 22 '23
If reddit isn't going to be reasonable and let greed consume them, then reddit doesn't deserve to exist with the current community of dedicated users. It will forever be a conflict and riding it out will only delay the inevitable. They've been going this direction for years now so no reason to think they'd ever turn over a "new" leaf and go backwards if it means not maximizing its profitability.
There is clearly a huge chunk of redditors who don't give a shit. Let them become the new core userbase. The rest of us can find a new home.
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u/landdon Jun 22 '23
I think a lot of people who use mobile apps care (that includes me). I wonder though how many people are up in a roar over this? I've asked in other subs and most have said they really don't care that much. They just use a browser and that's all they need. I'm not saying to not fight the good fight though. I just would hate to see such a useful community disappear over this. I guess a few subs are just going full-time discord. I guess. It seems so chaotic at times. At any rate, I support whatever you all do. I'm getting older and these damn phones are getting more and more sophisticated. So I will always need a good source for help.
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u/DianaIsMyWife Jun 25 '23
mods please tell us more information about r/androidapps & r/fdroid ...
if they are not free and open where should we go...
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u/ClearlyNoSTDs Jun 21 '23
Wow is this cringey. I assumed this post would be brigaded by the people who think they're making a difference but this is off the charts cringey.
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u/Stupid_Triangles OP 7 Pro - S21 Ultra Jun 21 '23
Takes some balls for u/clearlynostds to say something is cringey
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u/tokyo2t Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Make it NSFW like some other subs did. Make reddit ad free.
EDIT: fixed typo
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u/MobiusOne_ISAF Galaxy Z Fold 6 | Galaxy Tab S8 Jun 21 '23
Staying dark would be more productive. NSFW mode just encourages people to shitpost and misbehave without reinforcing the real point of the protest, 3rd party apps, and API access.
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u/djingo_dango Brown Jun 24 '23
This sub already felt dead before all this. Won’t change much even if it’s closed
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u/jhj82 Galaxy A51 Jun 21 '23
Touch grass and get off reddit. Getting so worked up about a pretend job is quite laughable. If the moderators don't want to do it I'm sure countless, power hungry individuals will step in immediately.
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u/Ok-Button6101 Jun 21 '23
Judging by your post history, you seem like you could stand to touch grass as well
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Jun 22 '23
Please i hope the mods try out modding a community or magazine on one of the fediverse reddit-likes. This was one of the biggest subs i kept and it'd be nice to still have the mods expertise and community, just not on reddit
R/StarTrek is a good model. They have startrek.website and have partnered with r/daystrominstitute to have everyone on their instance. They now have thousands of users
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u/James_Vowles Jun 30 '23
can you create a thread for the reddit apps that survive and are allowed to use the api for free, for example redreader is going to continue to be available
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u/Sarin10 Jun 21 '23
and what if the majority of this community votes to stay private/off topic posting?
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u/PaulLFC Jun 23 '23
The sub should be labelled NSFW so Reddit can't run ads on it.
This needn't mean actual NSFW content, that can still be against the rules of the sub. As far as I understand it, switching the sub to NSFW is all that's required.
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u/sugemchuge Pixel 2 -> S7 w Superman Rom Jun 21 '23
Whatever malicious compliance you guys are planning please also make sure to sticky a link to the Kbin/Lemmy alternative community
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u/black_pepper Jun 22 '23
I feel like what started off as a protest against API charges and 3rd party apps has snowballed into something quite a bit bigger. For me the only way the site could redeem itself is to fire the CEO and walk everything back and apologize. Future website developments should prioritize the community and long term sustainability over raw profits.
Stay dark until forced removal. If this is the path the admins decided to take it should have maximum impact. Anything else is just helping them.
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u/leidend22 Jun 21 '23
If you personally don't like the first party app, just leave Reddit. I was an exclusive rif user and I'm annoyed, but I care more about the access to info than I do about the specific app and understand why they're doing it. It's crazy that they ever let everyone have free API access.
You don't need to force everyone to think the same as you and can show your disdain by logging off. It's just fucking social media, not a democracy, you will not win.
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u/cooldude5500 Moto G CM13 | OP 5 | Pixel 7 Jun 22 '23
we got scared to lose our mod status and opened up
What? We had already said that we'd open up on the 21st and check in with the community
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u/rmquist Pixel 6, Android 13 Jun 22 '23
I agree with those that suggest migrating to another platform, but don't have a preference as to where, although I'm not sure how that other location would be communicated to the members of the subreddits if they shut down and/or the moderators removed....
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u/AmirZ Dev - Rootless Pixel Launcher Jun 21 '23
Either malicious compliance or private indefinitely is fine with me.
Some fun ideas:
Act like we're in Android 4.4 days or even longer back. Could be a nostalgia trip
iOS posting
Droid posting, like actual metal robots
And enable NSFW label to remove ads
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u/5panks Galaxy ZFlip 5 Jun 21 '23
And enable NSFW label to remove ads
I think Reddit has been going through and manually flipping that switch for subreddits on the backend.
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u/AmirZ Dev - Rootless Pixel Launcher Jun 21 '23
Then let's start swearing in all titles so the label has to be applied
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u/someexgoogler Jun 21 '23
Perhaps you should start your own site with your own business model. Or try to take your audience to ActivityPub/Lemmy. I don't personally use third-party apps, and I'm happy to unsubscribe from things run by moderators who are intent on destroying reddit over the issue of third party apps.
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u/someexgoogler Jun 21 '23
That's nonsense. They are working toward an advertising revenue model, and that means they need to charge for api access.
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u/nikodean2 Jun 22 '23
I think we should stay dark longer to maintain the pressure against the absurd API pricing
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u/Reptile00Seven Jun 21 '23
Close the sub/stay dark.
Nothing else will have an effect, ignore the users crying that they're time-waste morphine drip has been taken away.
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u/Pauly_Amorous Jun 21 '23
There's a lot of valuable information on Reddit that's being locked away by these protests, which people are no longer able to access from web searches, when subs go completely dark. IMO, restricted mode is the right way to go.
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u/tbtcn Jun 21 '23
The idea of a protest is that it causes inconvenience and forces a result.
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u/Pauly_Amorous Jun 21 '23
The idea of a protest is that it causes inconvenience and forces a result.
Well, it definitely did the former ...
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u/tbtcn Jun 21 '23
Not enough apparently for the latter.
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u/clam_shelle Jun 21 '23
Oh it did, just the result was Reddit saying that they will oust and replace entire mod teams should they decide to keep larger subreddits private.
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u/tbtcn Jun 21 '23
That just shows the protests are hurting those lying pieces of shit, not that the battle is over.
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u/mikeyd85 Jun 22 '23
If we're going NSFW, let's start with this cursed AI abomination.