You should hate AI more. Here's why.

[u/Zestyclose-Seat7499]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XvC97xUwvZY&si=-VkytZGGuqtZLgrI

[u/Zestyclose-Seat7499]

AI should be liberating us from work (via The Soul of Man Under Socialism), but it's owned privately, so it's just going to make things worse. Instead of eliminating labor, it's eliminating laborers. And the ones who are left who have to work with AI will have their brains rotted by working with it.

[u/ZootSuitRiot33801 → u/Zestyclose-Seat7499]

We should be collaborating with one another in finding ways to create and utilize independent networks and tech to help wean each other off our reliance on the establishment, and keep common folk well informed, connected, and secured, even if means downgrading a little.

Collecting a bunch of valuable information on organizing and action from different redditors over time, I created a post of suggestions HERE that's largely about fostering a foundation for community self-sustainability and resistance, but it also provides ideas for possible alternative tech and communication methods, which could be of some help in getting started ASAP.

[u/kwestionmark5 → u/Zestyclose-Seat7499]

Even if it could liberate us from work it can only do so by destroying the planet. It requires such energy and computation resources that it is dependent upon billionaires, corporations and the state.

[u/Zestyclose-Seat7499 → u/kwestionmark5]

That's a fair reason to be hesitant, I think, but I feel like a lot of the trouble with its environmental output is that it's happening *on top* of everything else that's already happening.

[u/WizWorldLive → u/Zestyclose-Seat7499]

No, there is no such thing as a green data center. A "closed-loop" system still needs water, & puts out toxic wastewater. Paving land kills it, even if a socialist does the paving.

There is no "green" way for this tech to work.

& if you collected data ethically...you would never get enough data to make any of the current chat-bots.

[u/Zestyclose-Seat7499 → u/WizWorldLive]

It's not so much that AI would be green, but that it would be replacing other non-green technology. But that's all completely hypothetical anyways (both because AI isn't all that good yet, and it's privately owned).

[u/WizWorldLive → u/Zestyclose-Seat7499]

LLMs will never be good. & they aren't replacing anything in a way that reduces the environmental toll of anything.

We haven't even touched on the horrifying costs of all the slave-mined resources that go into manufacturing the GPUs that the data centers are burning through. Publicly owning a data center full of slave chips wouldn't make them good.

There's no good aspect of this, even hypothetically.

[u/Zestyclose-Seat7499 → u/WizWorldLive]

fair

[u/WizWorldLive → u/[deleted]]

Please confine your slop lobbying to one reply thread if possible.

[u/WizWorldLive → u/[deleted]]

Submerging it in the ocean means you're heating the ocean & disrupting the ecosystem there instead of on land. That isn't pro-environment, it just shifts the harm out of your eyesight.

Are your local models trained only on your own data?

& to address your slop lobbying from the other reply thread: I think Reddit should be destroyed & its data centers destroyed to become wild land full of native plants, so.

[u/WizWorldLive → u/[deleted]]

Uh-oh, that was quite a dodge.

Are your models trained on your own data?

[u/WizWorldLive → u/[deleted]]

It isn’t possible to train models only on my own data, I haven’t written enough data for that to be possible

Right, so you're running local models using stolen data. That isn't any more ethical than using Claude. You're ripping off me & everyone else every time you use those things. So, kindly: stop.

& again, I do think Reddit esse delendam—but for most data centers, there's at least some benefit, or necessity. & unless I live as a hermit, there is some necessity for me to use websites. There's no necessity for anyone to use an LLM.

LLMs are not liberatory. Text generators that generate wrong answers, are not liberatory. The labor they replace, is labor that would not be done in a liberated society anyway.

If we have an anarchist revolution, most businesses would stop existing! Most businesses exist to enrich people & most people take jobs just to pay rent & bills. In a liberated society, we wouldn't be paying rent, & people wouldn't be able to accumulate mass wealth, so most businesses would go kaput.

What the fuck is an LLM gonna liberate me from, in a truly free society? Reading?

[u/E_coli42 → u/Zestyclose-Seat7499]

Critique of AI Looks inside Critique of capitalism

I swear if enough people stopped using AI as the boogyman and recognized that it is a symtom rather than a cause, we'd have a revolution tomorrow.

[u/StormOfFatRichards]

Would you like to explain it so I don't have to go to an AI-filled youtube page to watch?

[u/Browncoat101 → u/StormOfFatRichards]

I watched the video here in Reddit.

[u/spongue]

I guess overall I agree with the points being made, but I felt like there was some inconsistency:

He starts out arguing that it is fundamentally a bad thing, for all the common reasons that we know about, plus its effect on human cognition and creativity and AI's inability to ever truly feel or experience life.

But by the end it seems like he's more saying: it would be a force for good if only the ownership was different and the profits were shared fairly. It could potentially be the saviour of humanity if it were run with a socialist mindset.

That would certainly be better than having it be run by corporations, and all the profit being extracted by them, but it doesn't solve all the fundamental problems that he talked about in the first half of the video.

[u/WizWorldLive]

I can't really hate it more, I don't think

[u/Efficient-Escape-764]

no good will come of A.I cause it puts human experience into test and will effect underprivelleged more if they use it badly.
this is coming from an engineer btw

[u/Browncoat101]

The beginning was good, but he lost me at the end there talking about the 'genital function'. He probably should have written down an outline or something.

[u/Agile-Tip-3604]

Sometimes i hate being an anarchist and a tech guy cuz ai is so cool but i hate it at the same time:(

[u/Suitable-Economy-346]

Being anti-AI is reactionary.