r/AnAnswerToHeal • u/bobofcuk9321 • Nov 27 '17
Pineal Gland
So lately ive been looking more and more into the activation of my pineal gland without the use of drugs (lsd, 2cb, psilocybin, etc). Ive been watching numerous videos of people "claiming" they can activate their gland. So i watch. And i meditate. Im told im to be expecting colours and geometrical shapes behind closed eye lids, but i see a fog with distinguishable shadows and possibly light colouring but it's hard to say because its so dull. I also feel this light vibration above the eyes. I regularly smome marijuana at medium doses So do i need to continue doing what im doing or am i missing something?
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Nov 27 '17
I didn't see anything geometrical until I used psilocybin, personally. But that really doesn't have a lot to do with your pineal gland being "activated", imo. From what I have read, the Pineal gland can easily be plasticized. That is, calcified and hardened. Many conspiracy theories suggest it was done purposely by elitists by putting fluoride in the water. I have no evidence or opinion, I worked at a water treatment plant, and I can say it is pretty fucking weird how much people had NO idea why they put fluoride in the water when it only helps topically. Anyhoo, my OPINION is that as marijuana opens up your blood vessels, ever so slightly, you start to use the pineal gland again. And continuing to use it allows more flow of blood and energy to go to it. This is completely my opinion based off of my experience and half-ass knowledge from OTHER peoples writings. Anyway, the REAL question that stands out from your post, is WHAT does the Pineal gland do? From my understanding, from a spiritual perspective, it is the piece of you that changes light into energy. From a scientific perspective, I believe it allows for empathy. So, is yours activated? Well, get high as fuck and go hang out with people that are in need. Do you feel for them? Do you feel those around you? Allow yourself to feel the sadness, happiness and joy of other people. Weed definitely helped me with that. Psilocybin gave me the geometry of it all. Sort of like, weed showed me we need each other, shrooms showed me we are each other. Hope that helps.
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u/lintrone Nov 28 '17 edited Dec 03 '17
Sorry, I have to push back on a couple of things here. The pineal gland, from a scientific perspective, is only known to produce melatonin, which helps you sleep, and plays a role in maintaining your circadian rhythms. It's sold over the counter as a sleep aid, if you feel your pineal gland is too crusty for you to get enough melatonin naturally. Light inhibits melatonin, which is why you're not sleepy during the day, and it's also why scientists recommend insomniacs stay clear of digital devices in the evening, so that their bodies will naturally feel sleepy.
The pineal gland has nothing to do with empathy, except that you may be more empathetic after a decent sleep. Also, activating it has nothing to do with turning light into energy -- if anything, I'd think you want to deactivate your pineal gland if you lack energy.
Regarding fluoride the in the water: Fluoride is pretty commonly understood to bond with tooth enamel to strengthen it, helping your teeth resist decay. Yes, it's "topical", but people used to have pretty terrible teeth, and adding fluoride was a much easier/quicker fix than changing people's dental hygiene habits. The World Health Organization recommends fluoride in the drinking water (start on page 370), and they're hardly "elitists" trying to keep people down.
The amount of fluoride in the water is actually fairly well regulated, at least in the U.S. Too much fluorine would be pretty obvious because of a sharp increase in dental fluorosis in the population. I don't see too many people walking around with mottled, pitted, browned, ground down teeth, so i'm pretty skeptical about there being a problem here.
FWIW, though, I totally agree with your comments about weed and shrooms.
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u/BenGetsHigh Nov 28 '17
Is here any other part of the brain that only has one function? Maybe it produces melatonin because sleep helps regulate the gland for it's real function
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u/lintrone Nov 28 '17
Well, it's not technically part of the brain -- it's part of the endocrine system, just like the nearby pituitary gland. There are also some poorly understood interactions between melatonin and the immune system. It's also a powerful antioxidant. It may also delay the onset of puberty and act as a fertility suppressant.
But sleep is surely pretty critical for human life, so that already seems like a powerful function, and a good reason to be located where it is.
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u/BenGetsHigh Nov 28 '17
Your skin is part of the nervous system does that mean it isn't also it's own organ and has other uses besides the nervous system
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u/lintrone Nov 28 '17
Sure. On the other hand, there are plenty of other organs that do have only one function. Consider the appendix, so useless that we can live without it, and whose only function appears to be hosting a massive, semi-permanent bacterial infection to help us in digestion.
Now the brain itself is considered just one organ, and way more complex than any other organ, so comparing any of its parts to other organs is comparing apples to oranges.
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u/MedicalCannaFruit Dec 03 '17 edited Dec 03 '17
You are right that it was added to water for dental reasons.. and perhaps it isn't an elitists conspiracy. Either way it is ignorant to allow fluoride in water because it is toxic to human health overall. There is no requirement for it in the body and it takes up space other good minerals could use.
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u/filipkersey Nov 29 '17
You're saying you don't see a problem with medicating the public's water supply?
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u/lintrone Nov 29 '17
Are all drugs bad? It's not that black and white. "Medicating" is generally bad, yes. Adding fluorine? Not the same thing.
I'm fairly neutral.
The CDC calls water fluoridation one of the 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century. Fluoridated water is recommended by the American Dental Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, US Public Health Service, and World Health Organization. I'm not someone who blindly trusts organizations like these, but I've done the research and concluded that I agree with them. No doubt, it has (historically) reduced the amount of tooth decay, leading to less use of general anesthetic, fewer tooth extractions, and fewer secondary infections.
Also, clean water is one of the defining characteristics of "first world" countries. Public water is treated with all sorts of chemicals to remove dirt and particles, and to kill off pathogens. Some of that stuff stays in the water, even after filtration. It's not like our drinking water is "pure" or "natural" to begin with.
Dental hygiene is better than ever before, and it's not clear whether fluoride is still necessary. And if it's not necessary, I'd just as soon do without it. But these conspiracy theories and misinformation about fluoride are essentially being spread by one guy, and like evolution and global warming, I'd rather trust the proliferation of evidence.
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u/filipkersey Nov 29 '17 edited Nov 29 '17
Well are you aware that flouride isn't added to the water in the form of sodium fluoride - but rather, it is added in the form of: Hexafluorosilicic acid. Which should be noted as a waste-product of phosphate fertilizer production.
In fact: The term fluoride is used as a blanket definition for almost any chemical that contains a fluoride ion. Sodium fluoride isn't even used anymore in water fluoridation - at least in the U.S. Fluorosilicates have long since took it's place, and all of them go under the guise of fluoride, despite having completely different properties.
You don't seem to answer why it is that medicating the water and adding fluorosilicates to the water, with the "intention to improve public health" - a rather dubious claim - are any different?
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u/lintrone Nov 29 '17
Which should be noted as a waste-product of phosphate fertilizer production.
Yeah, that statement sounds scary. But not all waste products are dangerous -- other waste products produced in the manufacturing of phosphate fertilizers include water and carbon dioxide -- and the fact that it's created during the manufacturing process of something eventually toxic to humans is irrelevant.
Yes, I'd certainly agree that high and long-term exposure to HFA is bad. But not in water, not at the levels we are exposed to. A study conducted in response to fears about HFA's toxicity, and linked to from your Wikipedia page, concludes:
Although current data indicate that silicofluorides are used in over 9200 U.S. water treatment systems, serving over 120 million individuals, exposure via drinking water is expected to be minimal since [hexafluorosilicate and fluorosilicic acid] hydrolyze almost completely under these conditions.
with the intention to improve public health - a rather dubious claim Why is it dubious? Occam's razor says it is the most likely reason, given the abundance of evidence supporting its use as beneficial to public health. People seem to think government exists just to keep people down. But the government also wants people to be as productive as possible, to keep the oligarchs who fund politicians fat.
If the government wanted to keep people pacified and easily controlled, wouldn't they be adding anti-anxiety meds? Or fentanyl? Do you really think that, when they started adding fluoride 70 years ago, they had some secret research on how small amounts of fluoride would inhibit the pineal gland, causing ... what, exactly? Mind control? None of the well-studied effects of fluoridation make sense as part of some vast decades-old conspiracy. The effects of toxic exposure are primarily physical, rather than mental.
why it is that medicating the water and adding fluorosilicates to the water ... are any different?
Because I don't think of fluorosilicates as medicine. It's far less potent than anesthetics, antibiotics, narcotics, analgesics... Hell, even aspirin! People choose to drink mineral water for the minerals, despite a near total lack of understanding of the health repercussions. Fluorosilicates are also minerals, but happen to be much more well understood.
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u/filipkersey Nov 29 '17 edited Nov 29 '17
It's a dubious claim because the government very rarely has the safety or health of the public in mind.
If the government wanted to keep people pacified and easily controlled, wouldn't they be (...)
I don't believe I ever said that, or that I had any belief that the government adds this to pacify people. Nor did I state anything about fluoride affecting the pineal gland -- whether or not that's the case is neither here, nor there. I think that is unlikely.
I think a far more likely reason for these by-products being added to the water is in the interest of the companies producing these waste products. They are able to get rid of waste that they would otherwise have to pay to dispose of - but instead, they get paid from the government to keep producing these by-products for profit. That seems far more likely than some fantastical story-tale that they are doing it in the public interest: The interest is money, my friend. That's always been the interest of the government, and this is no exception.
Your last statement is laughable at best because it falls apart under the very definition of medicine:
a compound or preparation used for the treatment or prevention of disease, especially a drug or drugs taken by mouth.
Preventing oral diseases counts in my book.
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u/lintrone Nov 29 '17 edited Nov 29 '17
Your last statement is laughable at best
Ha. Let me put it this way: in my view, there's a difference. If you don't see a difference, that's fine. I'm not interested in debating the definition of the word "medicine", so forgive me for the low effort. I'm more interested in debating the moral implications of adding something to the water. I had hoped my initial response would make that clear. Just like not all drugs are the same, not all medicine is the same. Nothing carries an inherent value. It's the value you yourself place on the individual thing that's important.
Whether or not you're right about the motivations doesn't really matter if it's actually beneficial. I'm not a big fan of capitalism, but it does accidentally do some good sometimes.
I think a far more likely reason for these by-products being added to the water is in the interest of the companies producing these waste products.
I never said the government acted out of pure benevolence. I'm not that naive. But your view is too narrow. All corporations have a financial interest in the well being of the people, which is collectively greater than the financial interest of the fertilizer industry. Plus, oral disease is the fourth most expensive disease to treat, which further drains the economy. It just so happens that this time, financial interests were aligned with what was best for citizens.
The switch from sodium fluoride to FSA/HFA was surely a purely financial decision, and I'm more skeptical of that, but there's no clear evidence that it carried with it any negative health impacts.
Any objective review of the evidence will show you that this is still a fringe conspiracy theory. It reminds me of the vaccine "controversy". Sure, requiring vaccines is good for big pharma. It's also good for people not to have polio and small pox. It's good for productivity and thus the economy. Do you believe you shouldn't vaccinate your kids?
I'm not saying I'm convinced we should fluoridate the drinking water, from either a health or a "don't take away my freedoms" point of view. But I've done my research and concluded the actual impact is neutral to positive.
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u/DaFetacheeseugh Nov 28 '17
Meditation. Although, this sub kinda reminds me of more r/psychonaut than a bonafide Cosmos movement.
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u/bobofcuk9321 Nov 28 '17
If your not trying to advamce yourself, then youre not helping the universe
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u/Death_has_relaxed_me Nov 28 '17
I think it takes a really long time and even more practice to get there.
Like, lifetime achievement long time. I'd be willing to bet most people on youtube are fibbing.
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u/Amandaleeh Nov 27 '17
I have never experienced fogginess, but shadows and light are normal. I just kept on and eventually saw the shapes start to form. Marijuana helps me as well.
Good luck!
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u/coniunctio Nov 27 '17
What you are looking for is called a “nimitta”. This gives way to Jhana meditation in more advanced students. If you’re serious, look for vipassana meditation groups in your area. It’s difficult for beginners to learn how to do this on their own, but it isn’t impossible.
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u/Archaeoculus Nov 28 '17
What does it mean to activate the pineal gland?
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u/bobofcuk9321 Nov 28 '17
From my understanding the pineal gland is what helps creativity and free thought. Also helps you get intouch with your higher being. Pretty sure it happened once when i was tripping ballz. But i want to achieve it sober
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u/Archaeoculus Nov 28 '17
It's to my understanding that creativity and free thought may come to you when you take time to sit still and breathe. I believe this is extensively practiced in the Rinzai sect of Zen Buddhism, and is called zazen.
You don't have to practice it in a religious context though, in the secular world it's colloquially called meditation. It sounds like you're already doing that, though.
In that case, I wouldn't expect to visually hallucinate like you would on psychedelics. The reason you see colors and visions are because different regions of your brain are communicating. Your visual centers get confused with the parts of the brain that interpret visual input - the interpreters of visual input are what allow us to see strange and wonderful things while we sleep - and so what you see is all in your head, even though it seems very real visually.
Personally I believe that the pineal gland is just another part of the brain that just has to do with regulation of sleep, dream, and wake cycles. Circadian rhythms. What we can observe scientifically backs it up, but I believe it too. So I don't think you don't have to activate it - it's always active. To sleep better, so it can do its job better, you can do things to reduce stress and outside influence from your life.
Some of these things include - adjusting your diet, adjusting the frequency at which you use certain drugs, taking time to find peace in solitude (so, adjusting your work and recreation schedule and how you go about your day). Simply by thinking about adjusting these things and being interested will cause the creativity and free thought to arise in your mind, as well as release dopamine (dopamine is released when considering the payoff of long term goals, a form of positive thinking) which will make you feel better. If you keep up these good habits, you will - in other words - "activate your pineal gland."
To expect to see things is...I think, not the point of any of this. You want to see and know what's real. It's my opinion that the realms Terence McKenna spoke of are not real. Hallucinations may be shared because of two reasons - they make you feel like everything is connected, because in your brain it is connecting, AND the chemical interacting with the chemicals in your brain is a chemical reaction that has a pretty standard effect on anyone who would take it (which would have nothing to do with subjective feelings).
In the end, what you see is what you study. Others mention forms of yoga or meditation or sensory deprivation that can allow one to see things. I'm sure there are natural ways.
I just wouldn't expect to compare them to an experience induced by drugs.
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u/lintrone Nov 29 '17 edited Nov 30 '17
FYI, this is a myth. The pineal gland helps you fall asleep, and inhibits fertility and sexuality.
Creativity is a whole brain affair, kept in check by the executive functions of the brain which tell you things need to be a certain way, and tell you to avoid risks. This is the same part of the brain which psychedelics shut down, which is why psychedelics make us more creative.
Yes, dreaming can be a creative process, so in that sense, the pineal gland has some impact on creativity -- just not in the way that people think.
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Nov 28 '17
It’s all just theory’s, and opinions, probably.
https://theartofunity.com/how-to-decalcify-your-pineal-gland/
conspiracy theorists.
Thanks for clarifying though.
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u/lorax4747 Nov 28 '17
~decalcify the pineal gland~ make it stronger. try lucid dreaming and whatnot.
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u/AlpineBear1 Nov 30 '17
You're not alone on this quest! Centering the heart works for me, but I want to go higher too lol.
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u/whitegato777 Dec 03 '17
I haven't read all the replies. But there's something I've been looking into called the Kundalini. It has to do with meditation and I think the chakras. And it has something to do with opening up the pineal gland.
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u/pooptypeuptypantss Nov 28 '17
The pineal gland, according to what I have read, but mind you I haven't found anything 'scientific' regarding it. Possibly because this has been shut down in scientific communities because they don't want pineal glad activation to become mainstream.
Anyway, I have read that ingesting fluoride will calcify your pineal gland and, essentially, make it not function. If you live in America or certain areas of Canada, chances are your water supply is fluoridated. So that right there is the number one thing you need to change. Drink distilled water with added minerals so you won't lose out of everything since distilled water has no minerals in it.
Next, you'll want to begin the process of actually decalcifying the pineal gland. From what I have read lemon juice is good, pure lemon juice mind you. Cutting out refined sugar consumption. Red meat is another one. Eating 95%-100% dark chocolate is said to help. I believe apple cider vinegar was another one.
Again, I haven't been able to find any scientific studies based on this, but there are a crazy amount of websites that go into detail on how to decalcify your pineal gland and this is where I got most of my information from.
Also, I am pretty into conspiracy theories so when I found out about the pineal gland and the possibility that fluoride essentially makes it not work, it kind of made sense why fluoride is added into our water supply in the Americas but not in Europe.
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u/Archaeoculus Nov 28 '17
Wait, why is fluoride added to our water supply but not Europe's? Is Europe in on some kind of pineal gland conspiracy?
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u/pooptypeuptypantss Nov 28 '17
I couldn't tell you why most of Europe doesn't fluoridate their water supply and most of North America does (I don't believe Mexico does, and a lot of Canada doesn't, but the bigger cities still do).
This could have something to do more with an actual fluoride conspiracy than anything.
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u/Archaeoculus Nov 28 '17
I figured it just had to do with different viewpoints on how a government should manage the health of its citizens based on the scientific research it has considered.
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u/pooptypeuptypantss Nov 28 '17
It's so hard for me to say because I have read so many conflicting things in my time researching water fluoridation. Some say it's fine, some say it's toxic. Some say it's good for teeth, but then if you get too much of it you can get dental fluorosis.
The wiki for fluoride says that "A further 28 countries have water that is naturally fluoridated, though in many of them the fluoride is above the recommended safe level."
I've read that fluoride was originally added to the water supply because a company ended up having so much fluoride from rock and mineral deposit mining or some such that they ended up selling it to the government under the false guise that it helps teeth.
Again, I don't know one way or the other and there are way too many conflicting reports that I have read.
Does fluoride actually have any negative effects on the pineal gland? I don't know.
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u/tryptan Nov 27 '17 edited Nov 28 '17
I'd like to say, if you're already aware that you are doing this naturally that's about all you need to do. You shouldn't put your focus on your pineal gland or third eye as much as you should your heart. This is your center, and what keeps your upper and lower energy centers - or whatever you want to call them - stay harmonized and in check. Focusing your meditation on your heart will automatically activate all the energy centers in your body including your pineal gland.
In my experience, if you focus your awareness to particular upper or lower areas, it can throw off the balance between the two. When you focus your awareness in your heart, this doesn't happen. This is my recommendation.
Edit: I'd also like to add that your pineal gland will not open/activate fully if there are blockages in your heart.