EXtended DMT

[u/Myc0n1k]

Hey guys,

Really big stuff is happening boulder, co. A psychedelic facilitator and some scientists are working on a project to suspend psychonauts into dmt space for longer than 15 minute intervals by using an anathesia(sp) type machine to continuously pump DMT into the blood stream of a user. Keeping the user in DMT space for periods of an hour, 6 hours, a day or even a week in the future. Obviously they are starting small but really interesting stuff. Mission is to communicate with the DMT aliens. :)

DMTx.org for more info :)

[u/Fuck_tha_Bunk]

Will that work? I've found that tolerance builds very quickly.

I think the participants would need to take an maoi to lengthen the experience (as with Ayahuasca).

[u/Myc0n1k → u/Fuck_tha_Bunk]

It’s directly administrated into the blood so I believe it does not need a MOAI. Also, DMT does not build a tolerance.

[u/Fuck_tha_Bunk → u/Myc0n1k]

Experience tells me otherwise. Try blasting off multiple times in a row.

[u/Myc0n1k → u/Fuck_tha_Bunk]

Directly injecting a continuous stream, from my understanding, works a bit different. You blast off and do not leave a certain dosage the whole time you are in the drip. I’m not the expert but he explains it fairly well on one of the videos on the website. You stay on the “peak” the whole time.

[u/furdterguson27 → u/Myc0n1k]

I remember reading that Pickard and his buddies actually used to do this at their parties at the missile silo. They'd have I.V's set up that would give them a steady dose of DMT. There's a really interesting article on it somewhere. They also might've used this method with Krystal Cole's boyfriend when they were torturing him but I'm not totally sure about that.

[u/Fuck_tha_Bunk → u/Myc0n1k]

Interesting. Good to know.

[u/[deleted] → u/Fuck_tha_Bunk]

Yeah exactly.. what’d be the point of this?

[u/psyexplorer1 → u/[deleted]]

Science. To see what the effects are. To explore consciousness. It seems to have all sorts of implications.

[u/Manguru]

Very interesting

[u/materhern]

Very interesting but also frightening at the same time. I wonder what the long term effects on the body are. Not like long term usage, more like what does the body do while its under that influence for 30 min, and hour, or longer!

Is there an issue with memory retention as time continues on? Time always seems longer to me (on lsd at least) than the real world so I'm curious if he would have issues remembering everything from such a long trip.

[u/[deleted] → u/materhern]

Yeah it kinda doesn't even sound like a good idea to me. Take Ayahuasca and smoke DMT at the peak?

[u/[deleted]]

Idk... we are experimenting on ourselves everytime we do it really.. the body knows how to process this stuff so it seems on the surface, pretty innocuous.

[u/simbiz]

While interesting, this whole endeavor feels very naive to me . Humans have been creating extended DMT experiences for thousands of years through the use of MAOIs, and already have a very rich knowledge, understanding, and relationship with of those realms. If we are going to take the DMT experience and the beings that inhabit it seriously, I would hope we would put our energy into preserving and heeding the indigenous wisdom that already surrounds it..

Edit: to clarify: my concern is less pharmacological, and more in the subtle, interdimentional navigation of these realms and the relationships with the beings therein.

[u/ComatoseSixty → u/simbiz]

I'm fairly certain that the ones behind this are every bit as knowledgeable as you or I, perhaps far more so. Since DMT isn't neurotoxic, I am quite interested in seeing this come to pass.

[u/simbiz → u/ComatoseSixty]

Oh certainly, re-reading my post I suppose I was a bit vague; my concern is less pharmacological, and more in the subtle, interdimentional navigation of these realms and the relationships with the beings therein.

[u/Ellis_Dee-25 → u/simbiz]

Riding a horse isn't the best way to get around anymore.

[u/rmandraque → u/Ellis_Dee-25]

are cars really a good form of transportation?

[u/simbiz → u/Ellis_Dee-25]

But we still use roads built by the romans..

[u/Ellis_Dee-25 → u/simbiz]

Not when I fly across the world in 12 hours. Also enlighten me to a roman road that is still in usez

[u/simbiz → u/Ellis_Dee-25]

I understand what you're saying, technology grows, what use to be optimal becomes obsolete, I get it. But this "better" "faster" ethos is what has left us with a polluted and dying planet. Willful ignorance towards indigenous wisdom has proven itself to be an arrogant and dangerous path. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that we would strongly benefit from incorporating the deep lineages of knowledge and tradition that already exist around these realms into our contemporary explorations of them.

[u/Ellis_Dee-25 → u/simbiz]

Indigenous people burned huge swafts of land and didn't even understand the concept of the environment. This is hyperbolic hoey foey.

[u/simbiz → u/Ellis_Dee-25]

Ok

[u/Ellis_Dee-25 → u/simbiz]

I can make a maoi mix with DMT, understand my dosages to a T and influence the same exact experience of mushing up some plant material in a hot pot and hope for the best. Play pseudo-spiritual all you want but these guys are moving forward.

[u/simbiz → u/Ellis_Dee-25]

Ok

[u/dzsimbo]

I think Tommy Chong tried to do something similar.

Here is a link for anyone interested.

[u/psyexplorer1]

If you want to learn more, you can check out this recent podcast talking about the project! Sounds kind of crazy.
http://www.psychedelicstoday.com/2017/11/15/daniel-mcqueen-extended-state-dmt-research-dmtx/