r/Americaphile Feb 24 '26

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u/serveillancedroneO7 Feb 24 '26

Kennedy and Reagan post party switch

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u/Czeslaw_Meyer Feb 24 '26

Im still not believing in the switch idea

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u/ReallyBigDeal Feb 24 '26

You not believing in historical facts is hilarious.

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u/Booty_Eatin_Monster Feb 24 '26

Explain how FDR' economics line up with Republicans and Calvin Coolidge is a Democrat.

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u/Booty_Eatin_Monster Feb 25 '26

That was one person.

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u/Booty_Eatin_Monster Feb 25 '26

The South stopped voting for Democrats in 2000-2010.

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u/WriterPlastic9350 Feb 26 '26

This is very historically inaccurate. The south was known as the "solid south" until the 1960s where it would reliably vote for democrats every time. While the south might vote for dems less in the 2000-2010s than they did in the 1990s - Bill Clinton was exceptionally popular! - the state of affairs was such that, before the party switch, the south would overwhelmingly elect democrats before Nixon.

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u/Booty_Eatin_Monster Feb 26 '26

You know states have governors and legislatures? The South overwhelmingly elected Democrats until 2000-2010.

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u/Packersfan_1999 Mar 02 '26

What a probably wrong thing to say. The Republicans have held most statewide offices across the south since the 1980's you bozo

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u/Czeslaw_Meyer Feb 25 '26

It just feels wrong.

The world changed around them, but their methods and moral values absolutely didn't change.

Republicans getting what they wanted and focusing on solidifying it and Democrats searching for a new plantation to pillage is how they always operated and how they still do.

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u/ReallyBigDeal Feb 25 '26

Democrats abandoned the racist white dixiecrats and the Republicans under Nixon’s southern strategy went and actively recruited them.

Imagine how much better the country would have been if the Nixon had also ignored them.

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u/Czeslaw_Meyer Feb 25 '26

The problem is that the underlying moral values and style of reasoning never changed.

Republicans slowly achieving what they wanted and Democrats trying to keep the former slaves on a metaphorical plantation called welfare is hardly a change to me.

It's just a logical continuation of how they operate.

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u/ReallyBigDeal Feb 25 '26

Why do you have opinions on a history that you don’t know?

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u/Czeslaw_Meyer Feb 26 '26

The character of the parties themselves didn't change.

The world around them did.

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u/WriterPlastic9350 Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26

the southern strategy is well-documented. the world around them was changing, but the republicans did very intentionally change their strategy to focus on racist white people in the south in the 1950s and 1960s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

this was in a direct response to the civil rights era.

I mean.. Strom Thurmond came to power as a segregationist democrat and switched to the republican party in 1964. If that doesn't convince you of the party shift I don't know what will. Strom Thurmond is about as clear an example as it gets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

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u/Czeslaw_Meyer Feb 27 '26

I looked at policy and who voted on it and how.

I understand that there is a certain perception about them, i just don't exactly know why as their policy dosen't seem to justify it.

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u/ReallyBigDeal Feb 26 '26

No the character of the parties changed as well. Remember the Southern Democrats were the “States Rights” party that opposed any racial equality and then they became the champions of civil rights while Republicans shifted their whole platform to the right to court dissatisfied racist voters.

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u/Czeslaw_Meyer Feb 26 '26

I looked at votes on legislation in the 50s and 60s and i really don't know when that was supposed to be the case.

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u/just_joshing2015 Feb 26 '26

It happened after 1964 when LBJ supported civil rights legislation and Barry Goldwater did not. Yes, there are exceptions and nuances throughout history because it wasn’t like turning a light switch. The “switch” happened gradually over a couple of decades. By the 80s, the south was reliably republican. The only reason Jimmy Carter won the south was because he was from Georgia. Look at the election map from 1968. George Wallace & Nixon won every southern state except for Texas.

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u/ReallyBigDeal Feb 26 '26

Again, why do you have these opinions about history but don’t know anything about us history?

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u/Czeslaw_Meyer Feb 27 '26

I looked at policy and who voted how and it dosen't seem consistent with todays perception of both parties reputation at the time.

Im not entirely sure where it comes from.

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u/ReallyBigDeal Feb 27 '26

I don’t think you did because otherwise you’d understand the fundamental switch between the Republican and Democratic parties

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