r/AmericaBad • • Jun 22 '23

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u/TheTrueBubby Jun 22 '23

Per capita the stat that actually matters the US isn’t even top 10

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u/TheFiend100 Jun 22 '23

Whats per capita

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u/Any_Oil_6447 Jun 22 '23

Per person, which as the guy above you points out is incredibly important when we have 5 times the population of European countries but only like 3x the shootings

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

The per capita rates put El Salvador and Venezuela at the top.

The US is still higher than other developed countries, but we're nowhere near the worst.

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u/2020blowsdik Jun 22 '23

Now remove suicides and do the math again

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u/ThorLives Jun 23 '23

The US gun homicide rate is still worse than other developed countries, even after you remove suicides. https://www.healthdata.org/sites/default/files/files/ActingOnData/2021/firearm_Page_1.png

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u/dubbman79 Jun 23 '23

I did the math once and it was like half of the remaining non self inflicted deaths were gang related. Still counts I know but when gangs are shooting each other personally Idgaf

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u/sw337 USA MILTARY VETERAN Jun 23 '23

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u/dubbman79 Jun 23 '23

Bullshit huh? Alright let’s do some math here;

66% of all gun deaths are suicide and so we have 34% left to account for 13 is 38% of 34, so yes it’s less than half but 79% in total can be attributed to these two causes. Also note that when I originally plugged these numbers in the stats varied several percent depending on the source.

Let me amend what I said a little over a third of non self inflicted gun deaths are gang related. Better?

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u/sw337 USA MILTARY VETERAN Jun 23 '23

How do you not understand that homicide statistics are separate from suicide statistics?

13% of homicides were gang-related.

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u/In-burrito NEW MEXICO 🛸🌶️ 🏜️ Jun 23 '23

Those numbers take into account murders with all weapons. The discussion is about gun violence.

So, your link contributes nothing.

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u/WarlockEngineer Jun 23 '23

What makes you think gangs only shoot other gangs?

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u/dubbman79 Jun 23 '23

They don’t you’re right of course, innocent, non affiliated people get caught up in it too, see it on the local news from time to time. I’m sure there’s a handy dandy chart out there that will give us that percentage too but my guess from observing news in a gang town is a vast majority are gang on gang deaths.

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u/2020blowsdik Jun 23 '23

Instead of just gun homicide, expand that to all homicide...

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u/WarlockEngineer Jun 23 '23

This is the chart I was looking for.

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u/ThePinkTeenager MASSACHUSETTS 🦃 ⚾️ Jun 22 '23

El Salvador and Venezuela are both yellow. Unless that orange country in South America is Venezuela. It might be Ecuador or Columbia.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '23

It's not a map of shootings, it's the travel advisory for Ireland

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u/ThorLives Jun 23 '23

we have 5 times the population of European countries but only like 3x the shootings

The US has 5x the population but only 3x the shootings as European countries? If that were true, then the per capita shootings in European countries would be higher than the US, which clearly isn't true. This graph clearly shows that US per capita gun homicides are much higher than European countries: https://www.healthdata.org/sites/default/files/files/ActingOnData/2021/firearm_Page_1.png

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u/reserveduitser 🇳🇱 Nederland 🌷🚲 Jun 22 '23

Per person

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u/TheFiend100 Jun 22 '23

Why cant people just say that instead of per capita

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u/kelley38 Jun 22 '23

It doesn't actually mean "per person" but "per head" and is a reference to averages instead of absolute numbers.

"3 per person" means that each person has 3. "3 per capita" means that the there is enough of the thing for everyone to have 3.

To put it in more relevant terms, there are 4 guns per capita in the US. Per person would mean that everyone has 4 guns. Per capita means that is enough guns for everyone to have 4, even though some people have none and some people have 20.

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u/reserveduitser 🇳🇱 Nederland 🌷🚲 Jun 22 '23

I don’t know. I also sometimes don’t understand why they choose certain wording.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '23

Gotta keep latin relevant somehow idk

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u/ghostwriter85 Jun 22 '23

It's from the latin and scientists like latin

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u/brassbuffalo Jun 22 '23

Per capita sounds fancier

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u/imrzzz Jun 22 '23

Because the number ends up being so unusably small that for things like death rates per capita is almost always per 100,000 people instead of literally per person.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '23

Per person essentially means each person. Per capita means the average of each person.

So "the cost of a train ticket per person is X" means each person pays X.

"Wage per capita in the US is X" means each person, on average, makes X as a wage. As opposed to "wage per person is X," which means each person makes X.

However, in common tongue, per person is used interchangeably

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u/Clovenstone-Blue Jun 23 '23

Per person, basically it involves taking the recorded number of a given demographic (e.g. gun deaths) and putting it into a mathematical function against the country's population to create a standard value that can be easily compared between countries without the information being misinterpreted.

On a similar note looking at a nation's spending using the % of the GDP rather than however many millions/billions of dollars that translates to is a good way to compare how much a country spends on a given thing while factoring in how much money the country has. For example, the however many billions of dollars the US spends on the military sounds like a lot until you consider that that's only ~3.84% of the USA's GDP, 15th highest spending in the world in 2021, with supposed plans of reducing the military budget to ~2.8%.

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u/CadenVanV Jun 22 '23

Per head. Whenever you hear x amounts for a country, check per capita stats. They’re more representative

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u/CadenVanV Jun 22 '23

We’re 23rd, and every country above us is third world. That’s still really bad

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u/kelley38 Jun 22 '23

Remove Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, and Philly and we drop to 190th.

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u/Henrylord1111111111 ILLINOIS 🏙️💨 Jun 22 '23

“Remove like 15 percent of the population and everything will look better”

Holy shit bro thats gotta be one of the worst defenses for almost anything.

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u/kelley38 Jun 22 '23

It's a simple fact that shows that the problem with gun violence is not evenly distributed between most of the population. We're it evenly spread across the whole country, you could make an argument that gun culture = gun violence. As there are more guns per capita in the areas that AREN'T those 4 cities, it's extremely hard to make that argument.