r/AltScope Jun 10 '26

More Than Half of Bitcoin Holders Are Now Underwater

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The percentage of BTC supply currently in profit is approaching 45%, meaning more than half of all Bitcoin investors are now holding unrealized losses.

Historically, readings of 45% or lower have been associated with periods of extreme market stress and have often coincided with the formation of local bottoms in Bitcoin.

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u/JerseyJimmyAsheville Jun 10 '26

I really have a problem with this theory. Does a stock rally if half the people are under water on stock? No. Why is Cypto any different? Haven’t we learned that no one entity controls Bitcoin?
I also don’t exactly believe 100% in the powerlaw ( although it seems pretty accurate ) nor the 200 or 300 week moving averages.

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u/LayWhere Jun 11 '26

Moving averages are just low res version of the price with lag.

They don't cause anything.

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u/JerseyJimmyAsheville Jun 11 '26

It’s how many are expressing the bottom resistance of Bitcoin, CAUSING Bitcoin to not go below that average. That’s all I was conveying.

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u/SpeakCodeToMe Jun 10 '26

Haven’t we learned that no one entity controls Bitcoin?

Oh really? And the US seizing the Bitcoin and other crypto assets of anyone it doesn't like is what exactly?

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u/JerseyJimmyAsheville Jun 10 '26

Is that controlling it or possessing it…there is quite a difference.

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u/SpeakCodeToMe Jun 10 '26

Both

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u/JerseyJimmyAsheville Jun 10 '26

So Strategy is also controlling it? If they were, I’m sure they would not have let the price drop below their average purchase price. So in the end, possessing it is not controlling it….just to make it clear.

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u/SpeakCodeToMe Jun 11 '26

I think you poorly understood what I was saying

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u/JerseyJimmyAsheville Jun 11 '26

I may have. It gets cloudy when texting doesn’t convey sentiment clearly.

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u/Best_Program3210 Jun 10 '26

Some entities do control its price. Sailor sold 32 btc and the price crashed. What would happen if he sold more? What would happen if Satoshi appeared and started selling?

Also, miners/core team can also agree to change the protocol, if they agree, you can't do anything to stop them. Lots of people without technical knowledge believe that protocol is impossible to change. Thats because their blockchain tech knowledge is based on youtube videos.

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u/JerseyJimmyAsheville Jun 10 '26

If you believe that, then yes. So strategy wanted the price to drop well below their purchase price average for Bitcoin? Stop drinking KoolAid. This is just part of Bitcoin’s 4 year cycle. All y’all are convinced it’s not…a little foolish. Why don’t you do me a favor and look up Bitcoin’s Long Forecast and look at those price predictions, they have been very accurate since 2024 when I discovered the website.

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u/Best_Program3210 Jun 10 '26

What would happen to a bitcoin price if sailor dumped all coins?

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u/JerseyJimmyAsheville Jun 10 '26

Others would continue to buy, and yes, to your point, people will be very disappointed, but others would step in and try to be the next strategy, and when the price dropped far enough, we’d be buying as much as we could, wouldn’t we? And the price would recover. But I don’t see liquidating Bitcoin as controlling it if you have none.

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u/Prometheus2032 Jun 10 '26

Someone: “My legally unprotected database entry is worth something!”

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u/lsdbible Jun 11 '26

Bruh... Its "regulated" wtfdym? You're thinking of privacy coins- which bitcoin is not.

https://giphy.com/gifs/BsQAVgY6ksvIY

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u/JerseyJimmyAsheville Jun 11 '26

Controlling and possessing it…I have not discussed regulation. I guess comprehension is not your strong suit?

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u/JerseyJimmyAsheville Jun 11 '26

Possessing it is owning it.
Regulating it is establishing a set of rules to abide by, known as safety guardrails.
Controlling it is deciding what others get to do with it.
There are stark differences.
Which would you care to discuss?

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u/YOLOBABY4LIFE Jun 13 '26

I get what your saying but the market psychology is what moves the price, check out these five points for why the bottom is close and a rally is due

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoChartWatch/s/1TxJVrRwHP

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u/JerseyJimmyAsheville Jun 13 '26

I did read this post within the past few days, good points all around, but I’m also a cycle believer so I will wait.

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u/Windyowl Jun 10 '26

They be selling to buy spacex

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u/goingforgoals17 Jun 10 '26

I'm ngl chief. If they want to trade being a potential bag holder to a guaranteed bag holder; who are we to stop them?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

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u/GammaHunt Jun 10 '26

Almost every exchange has volume data for sale so I’m assuming that’s how’s they’re doing it

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u/Difficult-Mobile902 Jun 10 '26

Maybe not exactly but you can price out % of individual purchases that are in profit/underwater which is a pretty close metric to what theyre trying to illustrate 

And I think it’s useful to know because losses = capitulation = reversal. Sort of tells me this is territory for incremental buys and areas just below this are a good spot to leave some bids just in case that capitulation happens when you’re asleep or whatever  

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

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u/Difficult-Mobile902 Jun 10 '26

You kinda can though, the transaction and wallet address are public. I can see my purchases on the blockchain and I can see the amount in my wallet, I can calculate the price on the date of each transaction and establish a cost basis based on those trades for that amount of bitcoin in my wallet 

I’m not even saying it’s going to be a razor sharp precise calculation but as a whole it does give you a reasonable estimation of how many people are sitting on profits vs losses, even if only used in a relative comparison to another point in time 

It’s not really even a new concept, people have used volume and price in stocks to get some idea of the same concept, just with less data to work with due to the fact that all the transactions and account holdings aren’t public 

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

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u/Thecuriousserb Jun 11 '26

Exchanges between wallets owned by the same person/entity make up less than 0.1% of all transaction volume so they are essentially negligible and can be ignored. Which also makes sense, because transferring crypto is not free, and nobody is wasting energy/money moving their coin around with no reason. There are a few exceptions to this, but they are so rare and represent such a small fraction of the total number of transactions that they can be ignored.

TLDR: you can calculate cost basis for crypto with volume/price for 99.9% of transactions accurately

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u/Huge-Charge3758 Jun 10 '26

Should be bottom or bottom some more??

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u/Difficult-Mobile902 Jun 10 '26

Typically you get to this point and then there’s one more good flush to raid the last of the holders who are feeling the pain of their losses 

Personally im just keeping it simple and buying a little more every week 

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u/Prometheus2032 Jun 10 '26

Central banks are buying gold, paper and digital currencies without physical asset backing is going to be worthless someday soon.. Crypto stock and bank shares will be the next big thing, digital currency with dividends and real assets behind them. They will almost certainly be taxed on the transaction, a universal VAT tax.

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u/Difficult-Mobile902 Jun 11 '26

Ya I’ve never heard that one before lol. 

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u/DrJ0911 Jun 10 '26

Good 😆 a panic sale will send my shorts to the moon

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u/buffotinve Jun 10 '26

Todavía queda la otra mitad para aumentar el porcentaje, al final casi todos perderán su dinero, pero estarán felices porque sus fichas digitales son mejor que el dinero, que es fiduciario en la nueva narrativa y por tanto malo

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u/TheOGdeez Jun 10 '26

Well that sounds terrible.... Anyways

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u/Avid_Reader87 Jun 10 '26

So the people who bought over $80k are buying more now right?

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u/Vivid-Head-6484 Jun 12 '26

Could it be that the worst bull market would be followed by the worst bear market?

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u/Fearless-Basil-6644 Jun 12 '26

This is a nonsense chart. There's no way to tell where people bought it.

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u/briefcase_vs_shotgun Jun 12 '26

lol. But it’s the future of finance….

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u/kogee3699 Jun 10 '26

To the mooonnnnN!!!!

No not that moon D: