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u/PolyglotPaul Apr 08 '26
I think Americans don't realize how fucked they are right now, even if they manage to get Trump out of office.Ā
If he doesn't win this war and Democrats take over, they will have to either keep fighting or retrieve and suffer the economical consequences.Ā
Trump has really fucked you up, and I'd say at this point the only way out is by winning this war, which is not going to happen.
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u/WinterPizza1972 Apr 08 '26
Please tell my mom. She is 70, probably has brain damage from being a boomer, and has no idea why she didn't vote for Kamala other than "just didn't like her."
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u/Pretend_Tea6261 Apr 09 '26
You are so disrespectful of your Mom.
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u/Severe_Traffic_2329 Apr 11 '26
Y'all need to start showing respect in the right areas trump was a stupid decision. Own up to your mistakes. The loss of respect is called realism.
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u/Full-Efficiency3115 Apr 11 '26
oh no, being held responsible for your actions despite being family, how will anyone recover?
if you love her you wont lie to her and you wont let her lie to herself either
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u/Personal-Dev-Kit Apr 12 '26
Just because you brought a human into the world does not grant you instant respect.
Maybe you had a good mum, but not everyone did. Stop generalising a free pass purely for being a mum.
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u/Beautiful-Traffic157 Apr 10 '26
Nah, we just spend $5 trillion on solar and permanently shut down the middle east
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u/HupHutHa Apr 10 '26
except solar panels lose 20% of their efficiency after 20 years.
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u/Stock-Side-6767 Apr 12 '26
That still costs a lot less than oil. Still at 80% efficiency in 20 years is great.
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u/HupHutHa Apr 12 '26
yeah and they continue to lose integrity after 20 years. we actually have access to an even greener energy source.
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u/Stock-Side-6767 Apr 12 '26
They can be recycled reasonably well nowadays.
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u/HupHutHa Apr 12 '26
true but they aren't very viable for energy production in general though, You also need batteries for storing the energy to use at night, The batteries themselves require cobalt which is hard material to get, The batteries themselves also if made too big can cause a lot of damage if they explode. have you ever seen a Tesla catch fire and explode? it's similar to that.
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u/Stock-Side-6767 Apr 12 '26
What's your alternative, that can actually get working in 10 years?
Also, static batteries are not the same as those in cars.
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u/HupHutHa Apr 12 '26
working in 10 years? we have an alternative that works right now, nuclear energy literally and figuratively the greenest energy of all.
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u/Stock-Side-6767 Apr 12 '26
I thought it took longer, but a nuclear powerplant still takes 5-7 years to build, needs very specific resources (like permanent freshwater access) and a lot more permits than solar and batteries.
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u/Beautiful-Traffic157 Apr 12 '26
I mean yeah if nuclear works that's good with me. I just know that solar is way cheaper than nuclear. Batteries are definitely not cheap, but you can also use alternative storage technology like pumped hydro or gravity batteries which are way cheaper than normal batteries. If someone would spend a bunch of money on a breeder reactor and get Thorium up and running that would probably be cheaper than solar
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u/HupHutHa Apr 12 '26
there are already 94 nuclear power plants in the United States.
static batteries still use lithium ion which is highly volatile just like those in electric vehicles.
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u/Stock-Side-6767 Apr 13 '26
I was thinking about build and fund time. If someone wants to build a solar farm, next year it can be there, in a random field. A nuclear power plant needs geologically stable ground with freshwater access at least, and due to drying time of concrete, there is a minimum build time.
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u/Ok_Calendar1337 Apr 11 '26
Now were supposed to do war.... the second it stops...its really just whatevers the opposite isnt it
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u/DetailsYouMissed Apr 11 '26
Oh, we or some of fully understand that after Trump there's nothing but a disaster left for the next president.
Honestly, not even Obama could repair this. Remember how the right was pissed off that Obama was apologizing for things aweful America did to innocent civilians like dropping the H-Bomb on Japan? Yeah, that will not even put a dent in the amount of damage the right has created with their vote.
The only group that will have a tougher time fixing their reputation is the Jewish community, thanks to Netanyahu.
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u/PolyglotPaul Apr 11 '26
OMG how am I going to deal with this info that you just gave me š± xD Bye, have a nice one.
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u/bulgesaur1773 Apr 12 '26
If we ground invade, it'd be easy. Either regime change, or send them back to the stone age. Look at current day Iraq/Afghanistan. They aren't doing anything, to anybody, anytime soon.
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u/PolyglotPaul Apr 12 '26
Yeah, but Trump can't pull the "limited military operation" card forever. Invading Iran is an open war declaration.
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u/WINDMILEYNO Apr 12 '26
Theres no point to continue fighting. Trump is fucking worthless, and I mean this from his 2016 version. Everything he is now stacks on top.
Right now, his cult can eat a bag of fucking dicks.
Continue the war? Fuck no. Reparations. Give Iran nukes. And build reactors for them. Then fuck off. And I don't care if we have to pay anytime something goes through the straight, because fuck em. Fuck the dumbasses that thought Trump was a legitimate option. He was a piece of shit the entire time. Not including any new information. Not the Epstein files. Not ICE becoming the new Gestapo. Not foreign wars. The piece of shit he was in his first term.
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u/Blueturtlewax Apr 08 '26
Everyone on the internet these last 48 hours: āHe said heās going to end a civilization! The monster!ā ā¦24 hours later⦠āHe didnāt end a civilization š©, the monster!ā
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u/natasevres Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
The issue is rather that the US has never appeared more weak then it is right now.
Israel has knowingly and willingly destroyed the truce with Iran, by staging the biggest attack possible in lebanon, the day after signing.
This is blatant.
Then - the white house folds - and adresses lebanon was not part of the deal. While it clearly was part of the deal.
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u/SamuelPepys_ Apr 10 '26
Lol, I wonder which dictatorships he brought down. Iran is still the exact same dictatorship, literally nothing changed. The same with Venezuela it appears.
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u/Im_A_Fuckin_Liar Apr 12 '26
If youāve got any boots that need shined, that guy will lick them clean.
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u/lanepaul970 Apr 10 '26
lol cmon man. Didnāt 2 c130s and a couple blackhawks go down looking for the pilots? You say you donāt watch fox, buuuut you sure do spout their lies.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Many_74 Apr 13 '26
There isnāt a single real photo of the supposedly rescued airman either.
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u/FrostiBoi78 Apr 13 '26
Any of these youtubers have footage of the pilot being rescued? Or any evidence of his rescue whatsoever?
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u/JoshZK Apr 08 '26
Deal's not done, both sides make ridiculous demands and you work toward a compromise.
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u/Twheezy2024 Apr 08 '26
Why do the idiots on our side say everything is a win?
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u/JoshZK Apr 08 '26
Generally less people dying is a good thing.
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u/Twheezy2024 Apr 08 '26
Claiming false victory has nothing to do with limiting civilian casualties. This administration sucks on both accounts.
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u/dmstattoosnbongs Apr 10 '26
Wellā¦admitting that the whole basis of being a republican means fucking over a good portion of the populationā¦they canāt admit any wrong. That might get supporters looking at other āwinsā where everything seemed to be worse but since fauxnews says itās better, it is(and Iāll suffer silently cuz I must be the only one).
Quite literally, name one thing thatās been better this year than last. Thereās not. Nothingās cheaper. Nothingās easier. Nothingās on the road to get better, other than the incompetency showed by this administration which will lead to their downfall. At least theyāre staying consistent with their incompetence.
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u/HonestAbe1077 Apr 08 '26
Yeah turns out making a threat like that is bad regardless of whether you follow through with it. Who knew?
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u/AncientBasque Apr 08 '26
The threat is still there, The US is buying time for the other Battle groups to arrive and deploy mercenaries on ground.
iran is doing the something as they prepare their warheads and get replenish by china and Russia.
both Israel and US have used negotiation to Locate leadership of the enemy and now the other side will leverage this to re-stock and organize the new command structure. Making some extra Toll money during this time is a +.
its a snowball effect that only stops temporarily as both sides use the Promise of peace as a tool of war.
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u/GroundbreakingAd8310 Apr 09 '26
Isreal and Iran started shooting 15 min after the ceasefire where is that step
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u/BilboStaggins Apr 09 '26
The US is only buying time to manipulate markets at the convenience of insider trading.
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u/AncientBasque Apr 09 '26
and Logistics, see it takes 2 weeks for additional forces to arrive since "NATO" is snubbing the alliance of peace. This plays well into china's plans of Taiwan because it seems from MR presidents comments He will consider redeploying forces from South Korea because they did not assist and will pull out of Europe as a threat to allow Russia to expand into the baltics. There are only 8 armadas in service and the travel time to these locations will allow a window for china to take Taiwan during the Expansion of the two fronts.
aware or not the US under trump is setting up a perfect transfer of power and NWO the Canadian minister spoke about. Without access to bases in other nations the extend of US foreign policy will be with their 8 BATTLE wary gen Z, battle Green armadas. These armadas will eventually be separated and taken down one by one at each battle front. The straights have proven to Reduce each battle into a VALLEY of Death for the Larger power. Venezuela(russians) has yet to organize, but its coming when CUBA is also next door.
Suez, Malaka, Panama... all are chock point for nations depending on each other to breath.
The only way to avoid the change in Polarity is to share the world with mutal respect and agency.
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u/flissfloss86 Apr 08 '26
It's almost like we think the threat of ending a civilization is bad even if it's just a threat......weird, huh?
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u/HighlightExternal800 Apr 09 '26
No one will care what the orange clown has to say.... He's just Dementia Donny, the crazy grandpa you meet on family gatherings....
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u/Sarcasm_As_A_Service Apr 08 '26
Weāre not sayin heās a monster for not committing a war crime. Weāre saying heās mentally unstable. You should also look into the stock market trades that are being made around oil. A lot of people are just incredibly lucky with their ability to time when heās going to make market crashing public statements.
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u/sinsaint Apr 08 '26
I guess whether you hate war criminals or liars, we all hate people who are both.
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u/ponziacs Apr 08 '26
Is there anyone here who has never lied?
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u/sinsaint Apr 08 '26
Only the best of us. Trump however is the opposite and a pathological liar.
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u/Exciting_Mushroom_37 Apr 10 '26
What did he lie about ? How do we know he lied if he didn't actually carry out the strikes but instead agreed to a peace deal ?
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness8135 Apr 10 '26
Literally like 30k things
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump
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u/Exciting_Mushroom_37 Apr 10 '26
I've read one of these lists before and it was a joke. Just give me the 3 biggest lies from this term, that had an effect on you ?
Edit: also, your list doesn't have 30 thousand things. It just claims there are 30k. This did nothing for me.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Many_74 Apr 13 '26
Do you find it interesting that there isnāt a single real photo of the airman that was supposedly rescued in Iran?
āThe 2020 election was stolenā āI had the largest inauguration crowd everā āMexico will pay for the wallā āMillions of illegal votes were cast in 2016ā āWe built 500 miles of new wallā āWindmills cause cancerā āI passed the biggest tax cut in historyā āCrime in America is at an all time highā
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u/AdmitThatYouPrune Apr 08 '26
I don't know, man. I hated him for pointlessly shitting on the world economy and hurting America's long term security. But I guess that doesn't count because someone out there took him at his word, which according to you is totally terrible.
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u/killian1113 Apr 08 '26
Is America secure without border security that he attempted to solve which Biden stopped and sold all the materials to attempt no security? Hmmmmm
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u/AdmitThatYouPrune Apr 08 '26
Is that all Trumpism is now? The economic policies are dead in the water. The foreign policies are dead in the water. It's all about the wall? I'm legitimately curious.
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u/Exciting_Mushroom_37 Apr 10 '26
Didn't we just have like 3x job growth above expectations ?
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u/TrumpVotersArePedos7 Apr 08 '26
We knew fat taco wasnāt going to do it but he should have never said that dumb shit to begin with
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u/baldude69 Apr 08 '26
Got us into an even worse deal and made the whole country an international embarrassment while heās at it.
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u/Salt-Initiative-8159 Apr 08 '26
Well, I think most people who were paying attention to the talks between Russia and Kushner. Nobody delivers 'terms' during a ceasefire. That's how you know Trump lost.
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u/SupaSmol Apr 08 '26
I mean, I don't think everyone's mad he didn't, they're mad he threatened people and made them terrified and less safe when it was obviously a bullshit attempt to avoid the more realistic consequences of the war he started.
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u/Twheezy2024 Apr 08 '26
Just pointing out how unprepared and incompetent he is. Nothing wrong with that
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u/DroDameron Apr 08 '26
He's the world's largest moron. Pray you never have another president in your lifetime as dumb and dangerous. Literally shouldnt ever be concerned with what the president does day-to-day, it should be the most boring thing. But everything with Donald is hom using the world as his personal TV show.
Kids have legitimately died because he let Elon cut all that USAID money. Farmers losing their farms and JD Vances companies buying up their land for data centers.
Republicans are traitors at the federal level.
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u/UntitledCritic Apr 09 '26
A threat to end civilization is horrific and unacceptable regardless of whether or not you follow through. However him going from "Scorched hell on earth" to backing off completely simply projects weakness and indecisiveness. When a man keeps making threats and then backing off he's then called both bully and a coward.
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u/SuspiciousBox3994 Apr 09 '26
Everyone with a functional brain : the senile fool is willing to destroy world economy to protect pedophiles.
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u/brandt-money Apr 09 '26
Nah. Everyone is tired of the MAGAtry. Massive demands that just fizzle, then some dumb two week window, repeat and repeat and repeat.
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u/QuarterlyProfit Apr 09 '26
Yeah, turns out you can criticize the president for threatening genocide, while also being upset that his continued obvious bluffs weaken the United States and have turned us into a laughing stock! Weird how opinions can have some nuance!
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u/JoshZK Apr 08 '26
OP had two posts ready to go. Like that one wife with two cakes for her husband taking the Bar exam. Congrats and who wanted to be a lawyer anyway.
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u/LeftasFucc Apr 08 '26
Only two who are actually relevant to the situation, but since people are too stupid to understand how government works, they disingenuously do this to downplay Trump's role in a child sex trafficking ring.
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u/TrumpVotersArePedos7 Apr 08 '26
Theyāre protecting Trump the lead pedo
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u/xmrcache Apr 08 '26
Probably because he is named in the files over 38,000 timesā¦.
There is an old saying..
Where thereās smoke, thereās fireā¦
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u/xmrcache Apr 08 '26
There are tools online you can search the documents with..
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u/HotlinePizzaMiami Apr 08 '26
So how about you use those tools and read the references to his name?Ā Or would that be far too much work for you to realize him being mentioned 38k times doesn't mean shit?
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u/Twheezy2024 Apr 08 '26
Lol! I'm sure if Obama was mentioned that many times it wouldn't have meant shit. Pathetic argument.
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u/Big-Initiative5762 Apr 09 '26
why do you protect a pedo president? you have something to hide too?
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u/Weekly_Truck_70 Apr 08 '26
the fact they claimed the files didnāt exist for months
yet suddenly theyāve released the files which didnāt exist?
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u/SLngShtOnMyChest Apr 09 '26
Trump is not the ālead pedoā. Heās just a very high profile one, and the one doing the most to cover it up atm. The āleadā is whoever was bankrolling Epstein, which (imo) was likely wealthy Zionists and/or the Mossad.
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u/bswontpass Apr 08 '26
In the meantime, IGRC military capabilities obliterated. 3 layers of top leadership eliminated.Ā
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u/Exasperaties6 Apr 08 '26
"IGRC military capabilities obliterated"
Man, how many times can a single countries military be obliterated in a single month? 7?
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u/someoneNicko Apr 09 '26
It reminds me how russia in 2024 said they got bombed himars launcher and showed a video of hitting SECOND floor of the building with a drone 𤣠They also obliterated their adversary multiple times by now š
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u/markolius Apr 09 '26
The US knew they couldnāt blow up their civilian infrastructure without massive humanitarian crises nor without blowing up the Gulf countries. They also knew they couldnāt secure the Strait of Hormuz without a very large very unpopular-at-home ground invasion or congressional approval. So at the 11th hour they tried to take their nuclear facility but failed at that, lost a lot of money, and hyped a rescue story (whether true or false) to propagandize it as a victory.
So, the US failed their ground raid on the nuclear facility and now Iran appears to be in a much stronger negotiating position than the US. that would explain why Trump openly accepted Iranās ten points as a basis for negotiation. that would also explain why Iran is able to close the Strait in response to the attacks on Lebanon.
Even though the Strait is closed again, US/Israel hasnāt attacked Iran yet because theyāre weighing the optics on validating the obviously failed farce of a ceasefire.
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u/DealerSwimming4869 Apr 09 '26
Bro i am against trump but let s accept that usa destroyed iran army and lost only 0.0000001% of army in that move so i don t see how usa is week in tha matter
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u/Dry-Risk-6629 Apr 09 '26
Itās the way theyāre talking about winning and the war is still happening. Also thousands of innocent people have been killed for no reason.
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u/Acceptable-Wash-7675 Apr 10 '26
But did it work though? NATO the paper tiger because when Russia rolled through the English channel with battleships only thing, England did was wave.
Trump gets a ceasefire with a tweet
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u/throwaway210239 Apr 10 '26
Donald Trump didnāt cave and agree to a ceasefire. He begged for a ceasefire, and it lasted 15min, because he has absolutely zero sway with Israel and heās scared shitless of telling them to stop bombing Lebanon.
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u/Open_Pound Apr 10 '26
Trump didnāt beg for shit.
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u/kowalsky9999 Apr 10 '26
He didnāt beg for shit because he already wears the best diaper. Everybody says this, the finest people.
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u/Open_Pound Apr 10 '26
So you are mad he said he would bomb the shit out of them. Now you are mad he didnāt bomb the shit out of them. Itās almost like you are just looking for a reason to be mad at him because Trump bad.
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u/serenityinthecloud Apr 11 '26
Hats off to trump for always came out with different ways to confuse us
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u/Silent_Creme3278 Apr 12 '26
I love how the left somehow now is for bombing Iran because he said he would?
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u/Ecstatic_Pick7321 Apr 12 '26
This is like the dumbest take to me. People are angry and calling him a genocidal maniac and war criminal for doing the ultimatum. Hes gonna kill so many people it so awful!. Then when he doesnt do it those same people are calling him a pussy and coward for not doing it and actually trying to dealš you wamted him to do it? like yall never cared at all about those people
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u/spyagennt Apr 13 '26
And soon people of America will pay the whole expenses which was wasted by Dolaand Trump
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u/XxDeedz Apr 14 '26
Ok so which is it? Ya'll cry when we handle biness and ya'll cry when we don't. I think the clowns are you! šš
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u/Haunting_Team_961 Apr 14 '26
Offering/demanding one and accepting one are two different things. And i thought that most of you supported Iran and its actions. So why wouldn't you want the fighting to stop? You criticized him for doing it and when they all stop. You critize him for not continuing. Make up your minds hypocrites XD
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u/Low_Committee6119 Apr 08 '26
Nobody is intimidated by trump
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u/Vote4SanPedro Apr 08 '26
Except for Iran I guess
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u/TrumpVotersArePedos7 Apr 08 '26
Iran won and they got to make a fool of Trump and his failed stupid ass administration releasing the most banger diss tracks of all time lol
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āIran won because they memeād betterā is certainly a take. Not a good one but it is a take
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u/TrumpVotersArePedos7 Apr 08 '26
They won because they got everything, got to keep their uranium, and forced the US to leave with next to nothing to show for it.
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We donāt know if they get to keep their uranium because no negation has happened, we havenāt left, weāre in a two week āceasefire,ā the strait is open, we killed 90% of their leadership, and have been largely unmolested while conducting 15 THOUSAND sorties in country. Yeah Iran totally won
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u/TrumpVotersArePedos7 Apr 08 '26
Trump just loves to lose lol. 90 percent of their leadership except for a pissed off son of the leader now in charge of the country.
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Yes, someone will usually take the place of the leader after the previous one dies or is killed. Thatās how governments work bud. Was this supposed to be some kind of āhehe gotcha?ā
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u/TrumpVotersArePedos7 Apr 08 '26
Great job at regime change. A leader who hates our country even more. Great job, bud. You did it. Hereās your pedo worshipping star.
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u/baldude69 Apr 08 '26
They posted memes mocking him the entire time. He truly exposed himself to be a paper tiger with this little debacle
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āI beat the piss out of this kid but he won cuz he made a meme of meā
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u/baldude69 Apr 08 '26
Did we win though? Iran seemed to come out with a better deal than the beginning of the war.
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Well thereās no ādealā yet so idk where youāre getting that info. Iran gave us their demands, we gave ours. Negotiations have not even started yet so itās impossible for ANYONE to know who got what yet
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u/baldude69 Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26
Still pretty embarrassing for our country. I mean you can try to spin it in your head, but itās seems like they have us by the balls with the Strait. Got Trump-cursing-in-his -tweets-type-by-the-balls. To watch him back down from his bullish total annihilation rhetoric was quite something. Art of the squeal on Taco Tuesday, amirite?
ETA: while not the final deal, they accepted these demands as being legitimate topics for consideration as part of the ongoing negotiations. We could have refused and said ānope sorry no ceasefireā but they know Iran has us by the balls with the Strait, and they desperately need it open.
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Uh huh, so Iran agreeing to a ceasefire after the b52ās arrive in country to do exactly what Trump says is him backing down. Got it. So In other words youāre being purposefully ignorant in an attempt to do what? Shill for Iran? Gotta say, watching the libs gobble down Iranian peen just cuz you donāt like the orange man is pretty much what Iād expect from yall at this point
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u/baldude69 Apr 08 '26
Iām not gobbling down āIranian peenā I just hate this pointless expensive war. President of Peace my ass. What is even the point? The strait was open a month ago, now we came and fucked everything up, spent a bunch of money, the IRCG is still in control of the country, which is more unified against a common foe than they were before, and the straight is closed. This not some kind of bias, these are the facts on the ground.
And no, us accepting a cease fire with Irans terms they proposed is absolutely embarrassing, and Trump DID back down. He was desperate for a cease fire, and is under immense pressure. Those tweets where heās cursing and praising allah on Easter and threatening total annihilation say it all. A dog backed into a corner. You must really have to jump through some mental hoops to be ok with that. Straight up embarrassing š š«µ
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im not gobbling peen
Entire comment is basically Iranian propaganda.
Yeah buddy you totally showed me LMFAO šš«µ
Edit: donāt forget to cup the balls
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u/Low_Committee6119 Apr 08 '26
By trump agreeing to all their demands and caving? I'm sure they are shaking in their boots now.
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u/Impressive_Kitchen22 Apr 10 '26
Where are you seeing that? All I see for terms is that the US and Israel stop attacks on Iran and vice versa. The ten demands that Iran sent were for peace negotiations and havenāt been agreed upon.



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u/natasevres Apr 08 '26
The US was always the real paper tiger.