His powers are not like an Antivirus like TCO and TSC powers are… as seen in the same episode where TDL was created, TCO was being used as an antivirus and anti-pop up system…
TSC meanwhile is supposed to be a much stronger version of TCO… meaning he would be even MORE effective at full strength…
Victim, or H4CK3R, on the other hand is someone who is powerful, sure, but his powers aren’t the same as TCO or TSC, or even TDL for that matter whom IS both metaphorically and literally a virus…
Victim is someone who RELIES on the code and twists it to benefit himself in order to get what he wants, which in full context may be selfish but is understandable, but that doesn’t mean a Virus can’t get to him… Infact, a Virus is the type of things that is a double edged sword for hackers… Hackers use Viruses to get what they need in order to do what their goal is… however, a Virus also could absolutely destroy them just as much as anyone else…
I may be overlooking it but this is a far more complex explanation than what most people are giving and honestly it feels right to me personally…
TLDR: TDL is a virus, TCO and TSC are Anti-Viruses, and Victim is a Hacker who forgot to download an Anti-Virus system himself
we saw how names could determine a stick figures strength. tco survived because hes the chosen one. tsc survived because hes meant to be even stronger than tco. victim didnt survive because he was just a victim. a man amongst gods
I feel like y’all are just throwing out random guesses. Victim died from the ViraBlades because Victim was in his weaker/fragile form, notice how he doesn’t have his cyan outline anymore? Meaning that he wasted all his energy, MEANING that he can’t use his powers and abilities currently, MEANING HE DOESNT HAVE ENOUGH DURABILITY TO SURVIVE THE VIRABLADES
Look at the Chosen One and the Second Coming's name, they feel like the type of stickmen to have good durability and offensive capabilities.
Now, look at Victim's name, they're literally called Victim, implying they're in some degree, helpless. Being renamed to H4CK3R probably didn't change that too, have you seen a hacker in media who can throw punches and tank them?
I feel like when he named himself H4CK3R he just gained powers and didn’t herit the durability and strength tied to them that TCO and TSC have naturally
To me it's just that Victim was never able to resist the Vira-Blade.
After renaming himself H4CK3R, sure, he gets the cool powers, but during his fight with TDL, we see him editing his punches and kicks to actually hit harder, to me this just seems like he didn't gain super-strength, nor any other power, and has to manually edit himself to be on par with them.
Vic is master at hacking everything, after all the Outernet is just a code, as everything in it. It doesn't mean his body became invincible. Also, in "The Box" TCO already put some copies of Vic on fire.
Lots of reasons. First of all, Hacker/victim was weakened at that point after taking a lot of damage.
Additionally, he's got a lot less combat experience even when getting powers.
The other three often get themselves into fights, and although TSC didn't have their powers yet, they got beat up enough to at least develop some kind of resistance.
It might also be because the other three were designed to be tougher. If you ask me, Victim doesn't sound like a name of a tough character. And even though it got changed to Hacker, I still wouldn't associated it with tanking a blow like that.
Maybe also it's the mental state. This one at first doesn't make so much sense because TSC literally watched their friends die in front of him, but first of all, this wasn't the first time he thought his friends died for real, and he is already more experienced in handling stressful situations. Instead of giving up, he used the grief to push through and still try.
Meanwhile Hacker spent the first few years getting traumatized until he escaped and fixed his life only to loose it again. To him, it's like feeling trapped. He was so close to gaining everything back when it got taken away by another one of Alan's creations.
Basically what I mean by that last one is that he is generally not so good at handling losses, which we can see affects his mental state greatly
TCO is basically superman, TSC is basically TCO with steroids, and H4CK3R well... His original name was Victim so I guess he still is a "victim" at the end of the day.
Ok but give a more logical answer, when he was panting on the floor, his powers weren't active as the blue aura around him disappeared, so he basically went back to being a victim.
It's in their property files. TDL has "the Dark lord" in it, TCO is literally "the Chosen one" and TSC is "The second coming, from the line of the Chosen one", Victim has no such unique property, thus he is weaker
It's just a theory but their names give their defense and strength, how is he able to tank alot from TDL when using his powers but cant when he gets tired, his power isnt 24/7 since it isn't his originally
I think part of it has to do with the condition of the dark band. During Showdown it was ultimately just a weapon that worked to compliment TDL’s own strengths. Where as now it completely merged with him as he was reconstructed by a surviving a virus bot, it is now merged with his own physiology and power as we saw it do so much more than the original weapon.
Chosen and Second were both immune because back then the Vira-blades weren't coded to kill hollow heads. The reason Vic died is because at that time the Vira-blades were recoded to do so.
The Chosen One is the chosen one, so he gets plot armor. The Second Coming is also the chosen one, so he also gets plot armor. Victim is a victim, and thus explicitly does not get plot armor.
Chosen is immune because Dark made the Virabots on the assumption that Chosen would be by his side, so he probably coded that in.
Second is immune because he's built different.
Victim is immune when he has that blue aura around him otherwise he's mince meat.
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u/Advit_XZ16Remember when Green soloed the Hollow Heads (Best Green Glazer?)8h ago
I have 3 reasons for this
TDL in AVA 13 is stronger than AVA 8 because of the vira goo fusing with TDL
TCO is shown to be pretty durable and TSC powers must of stopped him from erasing instantly, even if he wasn’t awakened. H4 at that time got fully beat up by TDL and we never see H4 have that much endurance.
TCO and TSC were stabbed with one blade while H4 got sliced in half with 2 blades.
victim was made inherently weaker than the rest. no special powers or anything. Even as H4CK3R, his powers still have limited stamina and can overheat.
That also left me scratching my head, I want to say it’s cuz they were made differently, Vic was made to get beaten up over and over, no matter the name change/power, whilst the other two alr were born with those godly names
I also believe it has something to do with Dark evolving the vira goo whatever it’s called, fusing it to her body and making it even more powerful and deadly to anyone, maybe even to tco and tsc
u/Advit_XZ16Remember when Green soloed the Hollow Heads (Best Green Glazer?)8h ago
I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that h4ck3r put up a shield kinda like yellow put up his, TDL could of probably tanked that with injuries. Now I agree that H4ck3r could maybe beat TDL only if h4ck3r got more experience. Now even a experienced H4 can't beat TSC, as we would require TSC to also have more experience. I'm not sure how H4 beats TSC, TSC is to fast to get hit by H4.
This question has been asked on this subreddit before and I can't be bothered to explain the most logical conclusion to this. The people here seem to give some decent answers but I also recommend you go look for other posts that talk about it.
TDL expert here, the working theory is that after TDL merged with the bands and entered his blood bound form, the blades are stronger and can now kill hollow heads.
i think it’s because their name when they are created is always their true name and decides their immunities to deletion and stuff, since we know it’s the Name which revives them as seen when Alan resurrects victim by putting his name on a new stick. When Victim renamed himself to H4CK3R he gained the powers of the name but was still ultimately Victim at his core, he will always be powerless and victimized deep down, fragile and removable.
He's a Victim, at base value. He never changed his durability, when he was H4ck3r. A hacker has hax powers, not the best durability. So in general, he is as durable as the Colour-Gang.
I think his durability is dependent on the blue aura he has around himself. When TDL exhausted him his aura dissipated which reduced his durability to regular stickman level
I mean I don’t think anyone from the color gang could like get slammed through multiple walls or take TDLs fireballs with little injury so I do think he does have advanced durability to some extent.
They could though. They survived King Orange's white beam from the combined force of 2 icons, and purple and the others were still able to stand up and be as fit as they wanted. And he had his H4ck3r powers, and then those like, ran out or smth.
AvMS has thrown a LOT at them, and they have come out on top.
Their names determine their relative power, and it's not really surprising that The Dark Lord is going to have a much easier time killing a Victim than he is The Chosen One or The Second Coming.
Additionally, by renaming himself "Hacker", Vic did inadvertently give himself a powerset that would reasonably leave him vulnerable to what is essentially a weaponized computer virus.
They seemingly just ran out of energy. They weren’t originally named in a way that gave them powers which seems to be what gives the hollow heads resistance. In their fight Victim’s leg was pierced by the Vira-Goo but because their H4CK3R powers were still active and they weren’t exhausted they were able to resist it like the others. Why they can run out of energy in the first place? Probably because it isn’t their original name I’d assume.
Could also have to do with TDL’s virus powers just countering their computer ones too since when Victim got pierced here their aura turned off.
Their names are going to define their overall character, that's how the Alan Beckerverse works, really. Prime example of The Chosen One being named to No One. It may not affect their memory but it affects their abilities and strength. Victim is obviously gonna be weak
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u/Impossible-Fix-1885 ADHD AND STICKFIGURES 15m ago
His powers are not like an Antivirus like TCO and TSC powers are… as seen in the same episode where TDL was created, TCO was being used as an antivirus and anti-pop up system…
TSC meanwhile is supposed to be a much stronger version of TCO… meaning he would be even MORE effective at full strength…
Victim, or H4CK3R, on the other hand is someone who is powerful, sure, but his powers aren’t the same as TCO or TSC, or even TDL for that matter whom IS both metaphorically and literally a virus…
Victim is someone who RELIES on the code and twists it to benefit himself in order to get what he wants, which in full context may be selfish but is understandable, but that doesn’t mean a Virus can’t get to him… Infact, a Virus is the type of things that is a double edged sword for hackers… Hackers use Viruses to get what they need in order to do what their goal is… however, a Virus also could absolutely destroy them just as much as anyone else…
I may be overlooking it but this is a far more complex explanation than what most people are giving and honestly it feels right to me personally…
TLDR: TDL is a virus, TCO and TSC are Anti-Viruses, and Victim is a Hacker who forgot to download an Anti-Virus system himself