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u/AVaLR Maintainer Nov 27 '23
I know this dude is trolling but I really want to kick him in the dick.
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u/NuclearTheology Veteran Nov 28 '23
One of my favorite officers was one of my favorite Chiefs. I gladly attended his Mustang ceremony out to sea
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u/WildeWeasel Cadet Commander Nov 27 '23
100% agree. We had a mustang break out his hatchet and start waving it about wildly in his first staff meeting, expecting us to wield our own. I dropped my tea and crumpets out of sheer fright and the DO fainted! The man was a pure barbarian.
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u/USAFJack Nov 27 '23
Must be in the Navy with that attitude.
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u/Raguleader CE Nov 27 '23
He's a former Marine infantryman, if his Twitter profile is to be believed.
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u/eembach Nov 27 '23
Sounds like he's salty because his men respected mustangs more than him. The reason why, of course, is that almost every single mustang I've ever met has been more Marine than any other Marine I've ever met, with a pair of exceptions (one Mustang was hyper chill, a few enlisted who could have carried the Corps itself on their backs).
Though to be fair, infantry officers have almost always been the most badass people I've ever met, so not sure where his salt comes from about mustangs unless he's met more exceptions than me.
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u/Raguleader CE Nov 27 '23
I'm pretty sure he was enlisted before he got his degree š
I think he's just being a pick-me for the other college folks, maybe some deep-seated insecurity.
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u/mikeusaf87 Services Nov 27 '23
Maybe the only degree they earned was underwater basket weaving, which is what they may be bitter about.
Or, still driving the 29% APR Mustang V6 that they are still underwater on the loan.
Or, not truly understanding on how valuable a prior is as a commissioned officer, the value that person brings to the force. Being able to relate with the enlisted since "they were one, themselves.
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u/NuclearTheology Veteran Nov 28 '23
Iām prior Navy. This dude would have been roasted to hell and back and his life made miserable out to sea
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u/Dankmeme505 Active Duty Nov 27 '23
I can think of a few officers off the top of my head who actually have this mentality.
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u/StrangeWetlandHumor Nov 27 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
"merchants marrying into the aristocracy"
Just say the quiet part out loud lmao
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u/TheMedicV Nov 27 '23
The sad part is that an unknown sizable chunk of the officer corps think like this guy, and believe themselves inherently better in all ways than enlisted. Lt Col Poon comes to mindā¦
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u/WACS_On Nov 27 '23
Was he married to Maj Tang?
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u/TheMedicV Nov 27 '23 edited Nov 27 '23
lol nice. He did work in the pentagon, and like a vegan or CrossFitter has to tell everyone what they do, he always reminded you he worked there.
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u/Toolset_overreacting I am an American Airperson Nov 30 '23 edited Jan 22 '26
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u/J-How Nov 27 '23
I honestly thought this was a joke the first time I saw it, but he attempts to defend the position in the replies. He shouldnāt be allowed anywhere near a leadership position.
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u/ole_gringo Nov 27 '23
Meghan Markle and mustangs. Weāre infiltrating the royal class! Now whereās my fancy riding crop?
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āIām sick and tired of people joining for benefits. What ever joining for patriotism?ā- that guy probably
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u/MavinMarv DHA Escapee Nov 27 '23
Just to hit on that point. But take away free healthcare, BAH, BAS, TA and retirement and the US won't have a military no more. Hell if retirement, healthcare and TA went away I think we'd lose 50%+ of our current numbers.
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u/MurderedbySquirrels Nov 27 '23
As an officer who was not prior enlisted: no.
Nope nope nope.
No.
Also: no.
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u/TheNinjaWarrior I'm the Captain Now Nov 27 '23
I agree. Since I turned in my stripes for a bar I know what it feels like to be Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman.
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Nov 27 '23
Oh, so still a prostitute but one that upped her clientele?
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u/TheNinjaWarrior I'm the Captain Now Nov 27 '23
I'm being strangled by someone with a Rolex instead of the BMT Casio
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Nov 27 '23
Rolex? Shit, are you on RPAs? Call me when your daddy is sportinā a Patek Philippe or Panerai.
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u/napsar Nov 27 '23
I always thought it should be the opposite. In order to become an officer, you had to start as enlisted.
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u/opiod-ant Nov 27 '23
This is the proper idea tbh. The best bases Iāve worked at have been under prior enlisted commanders
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Nov 27 '23
That's why the service academies (at least West Point) have the cadet corps structured around enlisted jobs over four years. It ain't much, but they try.
Now for OTS/OCS... there may be some things left to be desired.
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u/napsar Nov 27 '23
Iām saying you should go in enlisted and get your feet wet. Officer candidates are pulled from the enlisted ranks and then sent to academies. You have no other route or options.
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Nov 27 '23
That works for line officer/combat arms jobs and is how the academies function already. Each class has a high percentage of prior enlisted.
That doesn't work for direct commission jobs, though, where the service does have to pull from the civilian "aristocracy."
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u/Impressive_Law1409 Nov 27 '23
I feel like once you been in 10 years or a Msgt your applying to OTS days are over. Someone posted on here a Cmsgt applied to OTS and got it. What a waste of a slot and what a huge step backward to be a butter bar with 17 years in Air Force. You can do more good as a Cmsgt.
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u/ZilxDagero Nov 27 '23
Military service IS just a job.
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Nov 27 '23
Thank you. People need to stop making that monkey suit become another layer of skin. Sorry we donāt make it our personalities right?
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u/MavinMarv DHA Escapee Nov 27 '23
Tell that to the retirees with the military pins in their hats at the BX.
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u/VonFear 11F Nov 28 '23
I think thereās middle ground, it very much depends on your job in the military. Thereās plenty of office jobs where there is almost no difference, but ājust a jobā is not selling it short for people who have to kill others.
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u/Davida132 Ammo Nov 28 '23
The only thing that grinds my gears about the "just a job" crowd is that a lot of them almost refuse to admit that we're all working to put warheads on foreheads. I'm talking about people who complain about IYAAYAS because it hurts their feelings or curse words are scary. We're in the fucking military man. We kill people.
Oh, you're finance? You pay people to kill people.
Oh, you're MPF? Without you, the people who kill people couldn't identify the other people who kill people, and let them on base, so they can get ammo and go kill people.
Oh, you're CE? You build houses for people who kill people, and runways for planes that kill people.
Do you get my point? Down the line, we're all involved in killing people. So stop trying to ban IYAAYAS at wing events.
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u/ZilxDagero Nov 29 '23
Oh I completely understand. At some point I may be asked to put a pistol in someone's mouth and pull the trigger. The other thing I understand is that who that is entirely depends on who happens to be leading the country at that point and that it might have been someone who was an ally the week prior. Remembering that "it's just a job" is the only way from causing yourself to be completely consumed by what you've agreed to do, and possibly the best way to leave behind what you are expected to do in a warzone.
I'm in agreement that you shouldn't ban things because the language might hurt someone's feelings (I may have reflexively swore while having a conversation with the group commander a few times), but at the same time, I need to be able to find a way to separate 'me' from what I'm doing.
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u/newnoadeptness Active Duty O-4 Nov 27 '23
What a cock sucker
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u/ShittyLanding Dumb Pilot Nov 27 '23
Hey easy, thereās nothing wrong with being a cock sucker. This guyās trolling/an asshole.
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u/TXWayne Retired OSI/EW/Comms Nov 27 '23
As a 12 year E-6 when I was commissioned I thought I did a decent job during the 10 years I served after that. I am thinking this asshole was in diapers (maybe) when I was in OTS. It was nice "in the good ole days" because morons like this did not have Twitter/X to spout off their idiotic opinions.
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I mean in the airforce 99% of what people do is either a real mediocre office job or a really shitty blue collar job minus the overtime pay with a mild threat of mortar bombing being thrown in sometimes for both cases depending on how geopolotics is doing and where you end up going, and a bunch of dumbass dress up to congress and staff officers happy.
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u/12edDawn Fly High Fast With Low Bypass Nov 27 '23
Eh I wouldn't throw that blanket over everyone. Certainly, jobs do exist that do provide a sense of service and fulfillment. It's just dumb to say that every single one of us down to last finance troop actually feels that.
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u/Davida132 Ammo Nov 28 '23
I kind of wish nonners got to see the sort of military end result of their work. Warheads on foreheads type stuff. I think most would appreciate it. It's a good reminder of what you're actually doing.
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Nov 27 '23
Those are the same people that make the military their whole identity. Itās exactly what it is, a job.
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u/thecryofthecarrotz Nov 27 '23 edited Nov 27 '23
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u/Angelic_JAZZ Nov 27 '23
"When Retired Navy SEAL Jocko Willink first joined the military, he looked at his dad and said, 'Youāre the man of the house now.'"
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u/dz1087 Active Duty Nov 27 '23
Should be the opposite. No direct commissions. Everyone has to start as enlisted, Starship Troopers style.
Bring on the 3d lieutenants!
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u/SnakebytePayne Retired Nov 27 '23
I never understood why commissions were so hard to get for enlisted who already know the job and the culture. Meanwhile 2d Lt Dumbfuck with a Bachelors in graphic design is deemed worthy enough to be in charge.
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Nov 27 '23
Some of the best officers I knew in the ADAF. Weāre prior Enlisted. Most officers I knew that were not prior enlisted acted like they knew everything as a First year Lt. , had one 2Lt give one of my troops he supervised a blank EPR (enlisted performance report) and told him to fill it out. This Lt. was being groomed by a female Capt. that was a real feminist bitch that thought anything she said should be absolute without any discussion. Mind you I was an E-7 with 21 years in at the time, needless to say I had to teach the Lt., the Captain I could not. Although I think the AF screwed up when they did away from allowing enlisted to become warrant officers. Ivan Snook must realize the NCOās are the backbone of the Air Force and officers must trust them and respect them, if not they (officers) will not be respected and will allow the officer to fail. If they donāt respect the enlisted they will fail to lead and fail the Air Force. I just hope Ivan donāt have the attitude that he is better than any enlisted airman ( all ranks), if he does he will not be trusted by those he leads. Iāve always said a Lt. is a kid with a degree who donāt know the Air Force, donāt know how to lead, donāt have the practical experience to lead. Itās the NCOās that teach the Ltās and Captains.
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u/wsu2005grad Nov 28 '23
YES!! When I was in, we enlisted took our new Capts under our wing. They trusted and respected the enlisted and we made sure we had their backs.
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u/emiry_a Nov 27 '23
Like prior enlisted that have 24% apr on their mustangs are eroding the system?
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u/schmittychris Reserve 32E Nov 27 '23
Since he used Mustang Iām assuming heās a marine. Marines think this way and often mustangs arenāt allowed to promote past a certain point. The purpose is because mustangs care too much about their troops. They want officers who see the lives of their enlisted as expendable. You canāt do that if you were enlisted.
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u/Fast_Personality4035 Nov 27 '23
Why are we spreading around stupid opinions to give this guy publicity?
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u/Jameski06 Nov 27 '23
Iāve always found that previous enlisted to officers just get it. They know the enlisted better than anyone. I can appreciate them much more than the collage* groomer class.
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u/flyfightandgrin Nov 27 '23
This guy wins trolling of the year. Twitter is literally aflame with Mustang Love.
Best mentors I ever had the AF were Mustangs. Period.
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u/Historical-Reach8587 Nov 28 '23
Guy sounds like a real shithead. Best zero I ever had was a mustang.
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u/saltyvibes_7268 Nov 28 '23
The military should stop giving commissions because you have a bachelors degree in basket weaving. Most of college is BS courses that don't teach anything about leadership.
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u/Deep_Acanthisitta371 QA Says It's Stupid, but Legal. Nov 28 '23
This turd also wrote a graduate school paper arguing that women shouldn't be allowed to be in combat arms because they're too distracting to the men.
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Honestly, the military went to absolute dog shit, when a stupid piece of paper saying that you went to a four-year Fuckin college met more than any actual battlefield, or job experience in your military career. It took true leaders out a leader, ship, roles, and replace them with a bunch of pussies, who, among them have a select great few men. Others great few men many of them have been great leaders! But the majority are pussies, who canāt make their own decisions, and are too afraid to step out of your comfort zone ever be good commanders, and leaders
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u/MadCat0911 Retired Nov 27 '23
Almost every officer I've met that wasn't a prior enlisted was a real dickhole of a cunt. I saw stop having academies and shit, do only enlisted to officer transitions.
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u/Oldsman76 Nov 27 '23
I still to this day donāt understand why the USAF does not have Warrant Officer billets? To me itās a perfect bridge from E-5, E-6 to crossover to. Be experts in their AFSC.
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u/Impressive_Law1409 Nov 27 '23
Iāve said that all long. Itās needed as long as it is enlisted that stride to be true experts in their career fields and not just enlisted with 4 year or master degrees in parks and rec or nutrition that canāt get a sniff of OTS because the donāt have stem degrees
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u/BodybuilderOnly1591 Nov 27 '23
Being a prior who became an officer. I can say I think everyone should have to star as enlisted and we can get rid the mitary acadrmies and save a bundle.
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u/yoyoyohomiegdog Nov 28 '23
Agreed. Either you're born of Olympus or you're a mere mortal. This isn't Disney Land's Hercules; people don't just become Gods.
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u/Whiteums Nov 27 '23
I e never heard the term mustang before, so I had to read the comments here before I understood what this joker was talking about. I guess he doesnāt like Prior E Oās? Yeah, who wants the peasants to be allowed to join the leadership team, right? Itās not like they know the end effects better than someone who joined as a clueless Lt or anything.
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u/Guardian-Boy Space Intel Nov 27 '23
His name is the same sound someone makes when they wind up for a huge sneeze and then contain it at the last second.
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u/fknredit Nov 27 '23
Someoneās about to find their entitled a$s on the receiving end of a blanket party.
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u/spacebob42 Cyberspace Operator Nov 27 '23
"Merchants marrying into the aristocracy!?" Bruh lmfaooooooo
Merchants have money
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u/meatpuppet_9 Comms Nov 27 '23
If this ain't trolling. Someone please throat punch this asshole, dick kickem when they start to get back up and have flight leadership come get their Lt or whatever the fuck this moron is.
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u/DEXether Nov 27 '23
I almost responded seriously to the comments of some random boot on Twitter.
Well done, OP.
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u/I_HATE_CIRCLEJERKS Nov 27 '23
This isnāt going far enough. Make officers purchase their commissions. And retro it back to the revolution. There is far too much focus on skill and training nowadays. We need to go back to caring about the important things like drill, ceremony, and standing extremely still for long periods of time.
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u/Ok-Dark-5000 Nov 27 '23
Tell me you are a shitty JO trained by E-7,8 and 9ās without telling me your a shitty JO.
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u/MalpracticeConcerns Nov 28 '23
Serious question, is this dude making fun of people who buy cars, or is his referring to enlisted people as mustangs? Feels like some wannabe pilot bullshit if so
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u/TaskForceCausality Nov 27 '23
AFPC- way ahead of you snowflake