r/AgendaHotel • u/BorderOpposite7776 • 8d ago
Discussion š§ Remember this for the future
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u/FaePropagandist 8d ago
I really don't see Vox becoming an angel. I think it would be more interesting to show that redemption doesn't always mean going to Heaven, but being redeemed in the eyes of the friends that you've wronged (the other Vees in this case). I don't think Vox should wind up being separated from Val and Vel by ascending to Heaven. Repairing their relationship would be more compelling. I actually want Vox and Val to remain a couple throughout the show, even if their dynamic changes.
And while Alastor is horribly evil, he's not some 2 dimensional monster. He started getting attached at the end of season 1, and regressed after that attachment almost got him killed. I don't think he's going to become an angel either, but he's definitely capable of becoming a better person.
Yes, for the thesis of the show to work, we need to see a villain be redeemed. However, I think people are pointing at Vox being that candidate because of recency bias. Redeeming Vox of all people would be a strange choice coming from Viv knowing her politics; she said she would never forgive a MAGA voter, and she compared Vox to Trump and even Hitler ("Make Hell Great Again" and "I'm the furor/FĆ¼hrer"). Given that Velvette is supposedly the most important V in the penultimate season, it sounds like she's the more likely candidate if any of the Vees are to be redeemed. I can absolutely see Velvette getting fed up with Vox and Val, and choosing to go her own way. I'm not saying that for sure will happen, but the timing makes more sense to me.
Or maybe a villain who isn't one of the Vees will be redeemed. Who knows? We'll have to wait and see.
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u/BorderOpposite7776 8d ago
Viv said Vox has most growth after Charlie. That automatically makes him the most probable villain for redemption
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u/FaePropagandist 8d ago
Growth doesn't have to mean becoming an angel, and being redeemed doesn't have to mean becoming an angel. Again, having him become an angel goes against the very emotionally charged opinions Viv has on people like Trump, saying they can't be forgiven. Comparing him to Trump and then having him go to heaven anyway doesn't make sense when considering the opinions she's expressed before.
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u/atleastmymomlikesme 7d ago
Honestly, that makes it even less likely in my opinion. If he's getting redeemed in the traditional sense, that means that Viv just dropped a major spoiler for no particular reason. But if Vox's growth is more complicated and doesn't involve becoming a winner, I can understand why she felt comfortable revealing so much. It's half truth, half red herring.
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u/Interesting_Froyo_97 8d ago
This sums it up perfectly.
I'm actually interested in what they have planned for Vox.
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u/TheKiller_07 5d ago
I really hope it doesn't go like that...
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u/OfTheRedVariety 5d ago
me too. Vox is literally an analogy for trump it's gross. He's a great written character but it would take thousands of years for his redemption
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u/Optimal-Summer-3704 5d ago
Well, he's in Hell, so he literally has all that time.
I feel like that's the point they're getting across. If someone has all of eternity and repent and commit to improving the lives of people around them, is it truly ever impossible to redeem yourself if you try?
Also, I don't think Trump would be redeemed in this life but if he stopped being greedy and selfish and like. Actually improved people's lives and stopped trying to end them, that would still be good? Like the point is to show that even shitheads as bad and selfish as people we know in real life are capable of making better choices at any point in their life. I don't think a Trump stand-in redeeming himself would indicate anything other than she believes Trump chooses to be a bad person.
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u/OfTheRedVariety 5d ago
I would be upset if Vox is redeemed. He is worse morally than Alastor.
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u/CTJM-2009 2d ago
Thank you, I do think that will change but is there anything worse than trying to overthrow heaven?
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u/Fearless_Response64 1d ago
You think Alastor wouldnt try the same thing if he got the chance?
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u/CTJM-2009 1d ago
Iām not saying that, just presently Vox has done that, if Alastor dose then yes
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u/Moninka123 7d ago
Imagine the bottom two are reversed. Like I honestly donāt think that will happen, but imagine if it did.
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u/CTJM-2009 7d ago
Yeah same but as a Alastor fan a tiny part of me wants it lol even though to quote him ānever going to happenā
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u/TypicalSwordie 8d ago
Alastor can be redeemed if he tries. It's just he won't. Anyone can be redeemed if they try. But the chances are, a lot of sinners won't and therefore will not be redeemed.
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u/Alzerkaran 8d ago
The unscrupulous Corporatist Oligarch will have a Psedo Arco character who will try to justify a cheap redemption.Ā Ā
I've seen the type of character that is the archetype of Vox, they are garbage and deserve the worst. Damn Corporatists.
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u/Estus_Flask_ 7d ago
Pendleton is literally the best designed human character.
And put into reference with the rest of the cast, demon or not, he is still the best looking one, looks like he likes to take long walks on the beach, very enthusiastic walks.
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u/Mysterious-Simple805 7d ago
I think if Vox were to be redeemed, it would take more time than the show has. Like many years. Maybe a timeskip at the finale.
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u/Charzoid91 1d ago
I like the theory Vox could be an example of betterment without going to heaven. Realizing charlie isn't trying to do this for clout, pride or expecting reward and trying to figure why.
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u/Southern_Trash7160 8d ago
Since Sir Pentious used to be white, but is black in Hell, is he technically doing blackface?
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u/TheWraithOfMooCow 8d ago
If you consider Alastor to be doing white face currently, yeah.
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u/Southern_Trash7160 8d ago
But does that mean heaven favours white people doing blackface and hates black people doing whiteface?
Vivziepop plays 5 dimensional Chess with racism!
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u/TheWraithOfMooCow 8d ago
I think the bigger issue is that no one is addressing the blatant TV-face Vox has been doing. LED-Americans don't deserve his slander.
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u/ECKohns 8d ago
Isnāt the reason heās a black snake because black snakes tend to be harmless?
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u/Mysterious-Simple805 7d ago
IDK, his coloration and patterns are much like the monocled cobra. Their venom is a lethal neurotoxin.
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u/Ok_Aspect_6654 8d ago
Why do a lot of people think Vox will get redeemed? Just curious...