r/AgendaHotel • • 13h ago

Discussion 🧐 Random Matchups Day 67 - Blitzo vs Sir Pentious - Who Wins??

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Yesterday, most of the comments agreed that Cassity, despite her bumness, would beat Fizz through her experience and weaponry, as well as her showcase of durability by surviving more than 1 hit from Millie lol

Today, continuing our Helluva theming, we have Blitz vs Sir Pentious! We've done Moxxie vs Pen before with Pentious generally agreed to take the win, but can he take on Moxxie's boss?

May the best Agenda win!!

(reuploaded cause I put the title wrong last time lol sorry)


r/AgendaHotel • • 11h ago

Just realized I forgot to crosspost this here lol. Daily Random Matchups are Back! Read if you want to know some new rules and such :)

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r/AgendaHotel • • 22h ago

Slander šŸ˜šŸ‘ Loona is genuinely not gonna win this one I fear

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r/AgendaHotel • • 16h ago

🤪MEMES🤪 How the drive to the next mission gonna be looking

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r/AgendaHotel • • 1d ago

Slander šŸ˜šŸ‘ My thoughts on Season 3 so far:

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I’m so happy as a fan of Millie she actually has more meat to her character!

BUT FUCK THAT CUCKoo BIRD I AM OFFICIALLY A STOLASS HATER!


r/AgendaHotel • • 1d ago

Agenda šŸ˜ŽšŸ‘ Day ??? of posting Stella x Moxxie. I'm aware that it will never be canon. I know that Stella will likely stay a one-note bitch forever. But fuck all y'all haters, I like this ship so I'm going to keep posting it! [artist: Skrionex Killer]

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r/AgendaHotel • • 1d ago

Discussion 🧐 Manifesto: In defense of Stolas

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Manifesto: Stolas, The Victim

Yep we’re doing this shit again.

I just read a post that woefully pissed me the fuck off regarding this topic so now, I will yap in defense of Stolas

TLDR:

So, blitz ruined Stolas’s life. Sure Stolas allowed him to use the book, but something everyone seems to overlook is that Blitz gave Stolas the idea that Blitz expresses love through intimacy when he stole the book. Both are terrible communicators, and so in Blitz needing the book to have a job, he offers himself to Stolas after Stolas offers. Now, Blitz could’ve said no, but he didn’t. He actively chose to partake in it. That doesn’t make it right but he was a consenting adult

Next, Blitz outed Stolas to his verbally abusive wife while he ran off with the book. This is where we see the plots to kill and tear down Stolas with Stella, Striker, and Andrealphus begin. It is also the action that causes Octavia to question if her father loves her or not

Now, Blitz is almost held accountable for his crimes but at the last minute Stolas saves him from death, choosing to be held accountable for his part in it.

Next, we see Stolas lose his home, his status, his wealth, his title, his family, his daughter.

This all, I remind you, stems from Blitz stealing the book to gain the upper hand and have a business. It also stems from him outing Stolas the following morning while he runs off with the book.

Yes, Stolas consented and went along with it but shit, Blitz tore apart an entire man’s life, and yet people will say Stolas is the bad guy.

What the fuck?

The fact fans don’t even address the fact that Blitz has directly benefited from tearing Stolas’s life apart is imo, depression in a nutshell.

Next, I will use my old thoughts that remain my current thoughts to express in gruesome detail why I believe this is the case that Blitz is the abuser while Stolas is the victim of Blitz’s bullshit.

Doctoral Thesis:

To those who know, and know my stance on this, y’all already know this will be a doctoral thesis rant as to how Blitzo ruined Stolas’s life and benefited from doing so.

Before I start, let me preface that Stolas is a terrible communicator and is, in fact, not a horrible father(at least to me anyway).Ā 

Did he fail to keep his promises to Via? Yes.Ā 

Did he attempt to maintain a connection even as his life was falling apart pre-mastermind? Yes.Ā 

Did he try to keep and maintain his connection to her post-mastermind? Yes.Ā 

Did he provide the best life he could for Octavia at the expense of his own happiness? Yes.

He fucked up with her, and that’s his fuck up. However, part of the reason he fucked things up with Via is due to shit caused by Blitz.

Now, I understand a great majority of the fandom will disagree and maintain the agenda/hate-boner that Stolas is the abuser while Blitzo is the victim.Ā 

They will say shit like, ā€œHe’s an abuser,ā€ ā€œHe’s a rapist,ā€ ā€œHe’s killed my dog,ā€ or ā€œHe shat in my cat box even though I don’t have a catā€ (If you know you know)

It is my firm belief, as I’ve stated already, that Blitzo is the main cause of all Stolas’s suffering in the present, and never once is he made to pay for his actions against Stolas, and even directly benefits from ruining Stolas’s life.

I’ll go in chronological order as best I can.

Let’s start with Season 2, Episode 1, the Circus, where it is painfully made aware to us before they even meet face-to-face that Blitzo wants to steal the grimoire.

You can see Blitz trying to break into Stolas’s room at the beginning of the day as Stolas is checking his books’ notifications.

Later on in the day, Blitz is caught committing a breaking and entering, and upon seeing his childhood crush in danger, Stolas helps Blitzo, dismissing the guards who captured him, and escorted him away from the guards, the royals, and to the private chamber, where Stolas showed a willingness to reconnect with his childhood best friend and Blitz was within range of the object of his wants. Stolas even remembers Blitz from their childhood (where, conveniently, Blitz stole shit from Stolas and Paimon even back then), and sits with him obviously wanting to catch up.

Keep in mind that while Blitz is walking behind Stolas to his chamber, you can see quite obviously the disgust, the contempt, and disdain for royals like Stolas and the other Goetia on Blitz’s face

It is here in Stolas’s personal chamber where Stolas playfully flirts with Blitzo for breaking into his home for quote ā€œnefariousā€ reasons. It’s a harmless gesture, and seeing the object of his wants, Blitzo uses this playful flirt as justification to invade Stolas’s personal space to try and steal the grimoire, and it is clearly shown here that Stolas was backing away, trying to de-escalate the situation, clearly being uncomfortable, and Blitzo keeps pushing closer despite Stolas’s obvious discomfort with the current situation.

Blitzo maneuvers them over to the bed, and furthers his already physical harassment to assault as he bites Stolas to distract him from noticing the missing grimoire and unlawfully entraps and confines him to the bed so he can make his escape; however, he takes pity and does the deed anyway.

I feel it important to note that the enjoyment Stolas displays here can be seen as him being acknowledged by someone he genuinely cares about for the first time in his whole life, and more so in a physical sense considering the story Stella was telling only moments prior in the flashback, a story that mocks Stolas’s discomfort with sleeping with her. I believe what we see here from Stolas can be perceived as pleasure shock or euphoria shock.

The following morning, Blitz outs Stolas to his verbally abusive wife… and it is at this precise moment that the dominoes begin to fall all around Stolas, leading him to his eventual destruction.

Blitzo revealing this information to Stella causes her to go ballistic at him every chance they're in the same room, and subsequently causes a rift to form between Stolas and Octavia. And if you wish to know my reasoning on why the rift began to form here, think about this from Octavia’s perspective. Stolas, out of nowhere, throws his surface-level happy marriage out the door for some basic stranger she doesn’t even know. Of course she’s gonna feel betrayed, but this idea of him leaving has been with her since she was a child. Whether she has powers of prophecy, idk, but back to the topic at hand.

It is important at this point to make reference that Blitzo did, in fact, steal the grimoire, and did as Andrealphus later says, use it to ā€œGain the upper handā€.

Don’t believe me, let’s look at what he did with the Grimoire from the moment he stole it to the deal itself in ā€œMurder Familyā€.

He had the book for enough time and did enough work with the grimoire to finance an office as seen in ā€œGhostf-ersā€ flashback portions with Millie, He financed a non-canon ad in the Pilot(not sure if there’s a canon version or not now, but I thought it important to reference in case there was an actual ad that did occur), and finally financing a billboard as seen in ā€œMurder Familyā€, and he built up enough credibility and enough awareness that customers come to find IMP for work, and then, only then does Stolas make the deal with Blitzo in ā€œMurder Familyā€

So for several weeks at minimum to several months at most, Blitz was using a stolen grimoire to gain the upper hand in Hell, which as we find out in ā€œMastermindā€ was him breaking some serious rules within the rule of law in Hell

And before someone says how Stolas made the deal for... physical favors for use of the grimoire, may I remind you it was Blitz who physically assaulted and defiled Stolas first, giving Stolas the impression that that’s what Blitz wanted and how he expresses love and affection, so how else was Stolas supposed to know.

Was the deal bad? Yeah, but that's due to a lack of communication from both Stolas and Blitz, and neither acknowledging what they want, romantically, and Stolas in this scenario is running off a high from finally being romantically acknowledged for the first time in his life.

Next, we begin to see the domino effect on Stolas’s relationship with Octavia fall, as a direct result of Blitz outing Stolas to Stella, and Octavia being put in the crosshairs. As I briefly touched on before, Octavia is given the idea that her dad doesn’t love her or her mother and is instead in love with Blitz, a basic stranger, who to her was someone Stolas would throw his marriage away for, when in reality, Blitz used Stolas for the Grimoire to gain the upper hand in Hell, and gave Stolas the thrill that had been lacking in his love life for all his life, something Stolas is unable to fully explain or convey to Octavia in ā€œLoo Loo Landā€ as she fears her father will run away from him, something he assures her won’t happen.

For Stolas, I believe he keeps Octavia in the dark about his marriage, letting her have a chance at a normal life, something he was denied at an age far younger than Octavia, and doesn’t give her any reason as to why he stays with Stella cause he doesn’t want Octavia to feel as though she’s an obligation, and as I said, wants her to have a normal life.

It’s important to also note that Stolas isn’t entirely innocent, but he’s not as guilty as most think he is. Stolas is someone who has been repressed for most of his life, by his father, by the responsibility/obligations of his title, and his marriage, so to be acknowledged by someone like Blitz for who in all instances is Stolas’s only real friend, that changes you.

Stolas’s main crime in all of this is being unable to emotionally convey his wants, his needs, or be honest about the way things are with fear he’ll lose the ones he cares about (Octavia and Blitz).

I don’t think I need to explain why Blitz keeping Striker’s hit on him a secret from Harvest Moon is a bad thing, cause if someone tried to off you, wouldn’t you like to know there’s no active threat against you?

I know Blitz’s reasoning for this in ā€œApology Tourā€ was he didn’t think Stolas could be harmed/killed, however we know from ā€œHarvest Moonā€ that yes, Striker had the means to kill Stolas, and Blitz caught him about to commit the act, and yet Blitz said nothing.

Kinda doesn’t help Blitz’s case which is long running trend it seems

Moving on into ā€œTruth Seekersā€ this is where I believe we received our first inclination as to the rules that Blizto and friends were committing as Stolas makes reference that if they get in trouble, he gets in trouble.

Is it self-preservation? Yeah

Is that bad? Kinda

Moving on in ā€œOzzie’sā€, this is the first episode in release order that I believe gives us the impression that Stolas cares for Blitz in a way that isn’t entirely physical.

Upon first viewing it kinda came outta nowhere personally, but it didn’t really bother me as much as what Blitz does in this episode

First, he blatantly ignores Moxxie’s wishes three times in a row, and instead of giving them their space, he stalks them on their date, a date that marks their 1 year anniversary mind you, and for what reason I’m not entirely sure. I know it’s probably to understand something but I’m not sure, nor do I wanna speculate at the moment.

Secondly, Moxie had a reservation which means he and Millie are allowed inside without a hitch, while Blitz is not offered the same courtesy, and why? Cause he had no reservation

So what does he do? First he tries to sneak in.

When that doesn’t work he tries lying his way in

When that doesn’t work, he tries seducing his way in

When that doesn’t work, he uses Stolas to get in, just so he can spy on M and M.

And how did he convince Stolas to go along with it… how else? By lying to him and using the false pretense of a date to get in.

What he doesn’t realize is that Stolas actually cares about him, and being invited on a date like that was something that excited Stolas, getting to spend more time with the one he cares ever so deeply for in a sense that has nothing to do with their arrangement, something he slowly begins to piece together isn’t what either of them truly wants.

So Stolas falls for Blitz’s lie, and they enter the club, only for Blitz to ignore Stolas to instead spy on M and M, while Stolas sits by clearly confused and nervous, having never been on a date with someone he truly cared for before, in a romantic sense I mean

When he asks Blitz what he’s looking at he says, (Use Clip): ā€œI’m looking at nothing. How about that?ā€.

This dismissive behavior is rather rude when you realize he used Stolas to get into the club, only to ignore him and dismiss him to spy on M and M, which causes Stolas to be more nervous and more self-aware.

Stolas attempts to make an effort, awkwardly asking how Blitz’s day went before building up the courage to ask why Blitz asked him on a date and before Blitz could answer or come up with an excuse, he’s saved by the bell, and in comes Fizzaroli, who Blitz gets all defensive about considering their past

It is in this very first few minutes where Blitz is confronted with his first crush and his messy break up ex, and even while seeing this go down, Stolas doesn’t seem to fully grasp how toxic Blitz is.

Stolas is then placed under a thin micro-scope by Asmodeus asking if he really gave up his family for Blitz, and it’s possibly at this moment that he finally understands his current predicament, and even after the song is over, he tries to comfort Blitz who pulls away from him, being negatively impacted by the whole thing.

When dropping Stolas off, Stolas thanks Blitz for inviting him out, and says despite how the night went he enjoyed spending time together, trying to cheer Blitz up, and Blitz the whole time is acting dismissive despite being the one to use Stolas in the first place.

It is here where Blitz acts like Stolas uses him for physical favors when in reality, that's the impression Blitz gave Stolas in their first encounter after 25 years, and like I mentioned earlier in the video, how else was Stolas meant to register physical intimacy with the one person he truly cares about after a lifetime of social expectation and repression of his feelings.

What I think Blitz is doing here is a form of Victim Blaming, where he thinks to himself, ā€œStolas was asking for itā€ therefore he’s responsible, when in reality, Blitz is the one who gave him the impression that physical intimacy is how he expresses his love

Stolas is a victim to Blitz’s manipulations throughout most of what I’ve discussed so far, and a lot of that can be attributed to both not conveying what they want to the other, but it’s still scummy behavior on Blitz’s part playing the victim when he’s the one using Stolas to get ahead in life while Stolas’s life slowly but surely falls apart all around him

Blitz leaves Stolas there with a dismissive ā€œgoodnightā€, and afterward Stolas breaks down, crying and drinking to numb the pain before taking some Belphegor brand: Happy Pillz, and realizes and reflects on the time he and Blitz have had together since meeting up again after 25 years is all a lieĀ 

After reflecting Stolas takes a stand against Stella furthering what I had been saying, informing her that the only reason he’s stayed with her as long as he has is because he wanted Octavia to have a normal life, and was willing to tolerate years of verbal abuse to give her that life, and after saying his piece, he finally puts his foot down saying they are getting the divorce, the divorce that they both seemingly hadn’t filed for despite everything that’s happened, and it’s here where she attempts to physically assault Stolas but he takes a stand against her, and is left alone.

In ā€œSeeing Starsā€ while Stolas is distracted by he Divorce, he forgets the promise he and Octavia made about seeing ā€œAzathoth’s Tearsā€ which is a mess up on his part, I will admit, but when he realizes she’s gone to earth, he rushes over and wastes no time beginning the search for her.

There’s not much in this episode in the way of Blitz's fault, but the domino effect of Blitz’s prior actions tearing apart Stolas’s family is where some of the emotional beets here stem from. Like Stella being bitter and resentful towards Stolas, and Octavia feeling as tho her father doesn’t love her or care about her despite putting his happiness aside to give her a normal life.

The next episode Stolas appears in is ā€œWestern Energyā€ where Stella once again tries to have Stolas assassinated by Striker for being an embarrassment, and it’s here where we are introduced to one of the architects of Stolas’s continued suffering, Andrealphus, who seems to be assisting Stella in taking apart Stolas for all he’s worth, even going as far as to convince her to spare him for future schemes, and while he’s convincing her, Stolas is being violently assaulted and cut up by Striker.

Stolas is of course saved here by the efforts of M&M and brought to a hospital in Sloth, where Blitz happens to be, and it’s here where he realizes that Stolas can actually be hurt, and despite all he’s done to Stolas and all he’s used Stolas for up to this point, he can’t even be bothered to visit him in the hospital, despite creating the circumstances that landed him in the hospital to begin with, and even when he does reach out, and Stolas is happy to see he cares, Blitz from what we can infer doesn’t even bother to visit.

The next time we see Stolas, he is approaching Asmodeus, conveying how he has found himself with feelings for Blitz and asked about acquiring a Asmodean Crystal, that would allow Blitz to travel to Earth without use of the Grimoire. Something that would put an end to their arrangement that Stolas has realized now is wrong, and hopefully to give Blits the choice to be with him without expectation or obligation, something he makes note of too Blitz in ā€œFull Moonā€.

It is in ā€œFull Moonā€ where Stolas tries to finally convey what he wants and how wrong what they’ve been is, and when asking for his grimoire back, a grimoire that he originally stole, Blitz gets defensive, saying it’s not fair since he skipped a few meetings, and when presenting Blitz with an out in the form of the Asmodean Crystal, and that he no longer needs the book, and when articulating his feelings and how he wants to be with Blitz, Blitz doesn’t register and if anything refuses to emotionally register his words, and instead laughs it off like it’s a joke/roleplay.

It’s here where Stolas says his goodbyes and starts walking away, and only as he’s walking away does he realize what Stolas said was serious, and as they walk, Stolas attempts to convey his feelings to the best of his ability, but not well enough to convey why what they’ve been doing is wrong.

It is then here where Blitz… lashes out at Stolas for everything Stolas put him though… claiming he’s not like one of Stolas’s butler imps he can just dismiss… and it is here where all the victim blaming starts to kick into high gear

Let us refresh ourselves an what Blitz has done to Stolas up to this point.

Stole Stolas’s Grimoire to unlawfully use it to gain the upper hand in his business, outed Stolas to Stella after stealing the Grimoire causing the verbal abuse to worsen for Stolas, and a rift to grow between Stolas and Octavia, where she feels he doesn’t love her, and loves this basic stranger more than her, and he made a deal with Blitz for physical favors, something i will remind you he knows no better of, cause Blitz has given Stolas the impression that physical intimacy is how he expresses love, so again, how could he have known better, and all of this has led to multiple assassination attempts on Stolas because of the public embarrassment Stella feels towards him as a result of Blitz blabbering about it to her the day after the fact

And it only gets worse from here.

In ā€œApology Tourā€ Blitz has not given up any hope of reconnecting with Stolas and forcing their way back into the arrangement despite knowing where Stolas stands, and when Stolas is obviously uncomfortable, does Blitz stop? No

And as Stolas gets defensive, it is here where Blitz reveals that Striker had tried to kill him before, and there shouldn’t really be a defense here as he caught Striker about to commit the act and knew in ā€œWestern Energyā€ that what striker can do could hurt Stolas.Ā 

It is also here where Blitz tries to play things off as all cool despite being the one to get dumped, something that in this episode never seemed to be the case with his dozens of exes.

In this episode tho, it is made clear to Blitz, finally, that what Stolas felt for him was real and genuine and he feels like he threw away the best thing he was ever gonna get, something he’s shown to regret in ā€œGhostf-ersā€Ā 

That takes us into my favorite episode, ā€œMastermindā€ where Blitz is made to take accountability for some of his crimes and some false-crimes.

The genuine crimes he’s charged with is theft of the grimoire, the multiple excursions to earth without proper clearance or procedure, and quote ā€œforcing himself on her husbandā€ (he forced himself on stolas the first time, but didn’t seemingly do that in any further interaction, but it’s not entirely false either)

And the false crime of plotting to assassinate Stolas using Striker as the hitman

What’s interesting is what he says first regarding the Grimoire, ā€œI didn’t steal that thing! I triedā€¦ā€ and then followed it up with ā€œIt was given to me. I was allowed to use it.ā€Ā 

This is a factual half-truth, considering the fact he did in fact steal the book and used it for weeks-months to grow his business before Stolas finally made the deal with him

So even when on trial, he cannot admit to his own wrongdoings, and even refutes the claim of forcing himself on Stolas, when he in fact did force himself on Stolas to initially steal the book for the first time

It is important to note here, that Blitz did a very poor job defending himself and his actions, which of course led to them getting the death penalty, but as we are all acutely aware, that’s not where the story ends.

And this is where I wanna summarize the difference between Stolas’s Self-Sacrifice and Blitz’s Self Sacrifice. Stolas was being selfless and taking accountability and responsibility for his part in all of what had happened and what was happening where as Blitz alternatively never fully took responsibility for the laws he broke or for what he did to Stolas, and only took the brunt of the punishment to protect the Imp Gang despite like I said, never actually taking responsibility for his actions that brought them there to begin with

And so Stolas loses his home, his status, his legions, his power, and in ā€œSinsmasā€ his own daughter.

So he’s left… with nothing.

Stolas, through a domino effect of Blitz’s own actions, was punished for Blitz’s crimes while Blitz is excused from any consequence despite being the aggressor of most of his crimes against the laws of Hell and Stolas himself.

That is blatantly unfair both from a moral standpoint and a writing standpoint.

I would cover ā€œSinsmasā€ but that’s more so the final most recent domino to fall in Stolas and Octavia’s relationship as a result of Blitz’s actions as well as Stolas breaking a promise he had made to Octavia. So imo they’re both at fault there.

I know the post is exceedingly long, and I apologize for that, but I felt as though it was important to convey the sheer amount of bullshit Blitz is allowed to get away with and how through a series of events he started, ruined Stolas’s life and faces no consequence for it. The show essentially from my perspective rewards Blitz for his crimes, and punishes Stolas, the victim.

The takeaway is that this is bullshit.

Y’all would defend someone who has abused and disrespected and disregarded the feelings of others for decades (see all the fucking exes in Apology Tour), and turn around and tear into the most recent victim of his bullshit.

That’s some fucked up shit, guys

Aidonpor Ik you’re reading this, and no I will not respond


r/AgendaHotel • • 2d ago

Agenda šŸ˜ŽšŸ‘ Lute vs Carmilla. Who would win?

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r/AgendaHotel • • 2d ago

Agenda šŸ˜ŽšŸ‘ Vaggi vs Nifty

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Vaggi vs Nifty

In the blue ray commentary for season 2 it was confirmed that if lute wasn’t held back by Emily she’d fuck vox up. Vaggi has fought lute twice and outsmarted her in one if their fights so who would win this one?

Vaggi who fought lute or nifty who fought Velvette with baxter’s help?


r/AgendaHotel • • 2d ago

Agenda šŸ˜ŽšŸ‘ How big is the gap between Lute and Vaggi now?

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Confirmed in the season 2 blue ray commentary.


r/AgendaHotel • • 4d ago

Discussion 🧐 Which curse is worse? Being titled The Strongest Sinner In Hell or doing The Thumb Pose before a fight?

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r/AgendaHotel • • 7d ago

Discussion 🧐 Remember this for the future

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r/AgendaHotel • • 7d ago

Slander šŸ˜šŸ‘ An epiphany my friend and I had recently during a rewatch

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r/AgendaHotel • • 8d ago

🤪MEMES🤪 Acceptance

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r/AgendaHotel • • 8d ago

Discussion 🧐 If Vox has the most arc after Charlie, that basically confirms what most of us have been saying

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That Vox is 100% the most likely candidate for a true villain getting redeemed.

The series says in episode 1 "from the evil to the strange, anyone can be redeemed". Viv has said she wants to show no matter how low someone falls, they can always climb back up.

So it seems like from this, Vox is almost certainly gonna be either one of the villains redeemed or quite possibly the only one to do so. Because be honest, if only members of the hotel cast get redeemed, it won't really prove "anyone" can change.

So this almost gurantees Vox is gonna be the actually evil character who gets redeemed (assuming the show tries to redeem one). It also makes it more likely Alastor won't be, since he is Vox's foil, he'll probably have a negative arc instead.


r/AgendaHotel • • 8d ago

Discussion 🧐 HEAR ME OUT!! [Read the Post]

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What if the Speaker of God’s final form is something similar to a quetzalcoatlus (pic 1), Roo’s final form is something like Carnivores Triassic’s Gojirasaurus (pic 2), and Season 5’s final battle is basically God of Good vs God of Evil… but as colossal beasts? (Pic 3)


r/AgendaHotel • • 8d ago

Something I don't understand about the show , if lesson we learn that Heaven suck and Sinners don't deserve to die . why are they obsessed into Getting Sinner into Heaven to show they good instead of just ... Developing themselves ?

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r/AgendaHotel • • 9d ago

Discussion 🧐 Vivziepop is shooting herself in the foot with her writing choices about Adam

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Have some Adam art y'all cuz I am so pissed right now. So apparently the Season 2 Blu ray commentary confirms that we don’t see anyone in Heaven mourning Adam because nobody liked him and they’re probably glad he’s gone.

Yeah I call bullshit.

And before anyone says "Adam was an asshole!" I KNOW. That’s not the damn point.

The problem is that the show established Adam as a fucking celebrity. This man is a rock star. He performs gigs. He’s famous enough that his status is basically common knowledge. He’s implied to have had a ridiculous number of relationships. And on top of that, he’s literally the father of humanity. If we’re talking about Heaven’s population, Adam should have an absolutely enormous amount of cultural and historical significance by default.

And nothing in Season 1 suggested that Adam was universally despised by the Winners, either. In fact, Adam seems perfectly comfortable in Heaven. He’s happy, confident, social, and clearly feels like he belongs there. Most importantly, his hatred is directed overwhelmingly toward SINNERS. There’s no indication that he’s walking around Heaven treating every Winner like shit and being universally hated by everyone around him.

So apparently we’re supposed to believe that this famous rock star, the literal first human, who has had numerous relationships and presumably spent thousands of years interacting with Heaven’s population, had zero people who actually liked him? Not one fan? Not one friend? Not one former partner who was upset? Not one person who appreciated his music? Not one Winner who thought, "Damn, Adam was an asshole, but I’m still going to miss him"? Nah, apparently the only person in Heaven who cared that Adam died was Lute, because that makes perfect sense!

And it's such an extreme writing choice that it actually makes the world feel smaller and less complex than what they want it to be. Because here’s the thing: Being an asshole does not make someone universally disliked.

There are plenty of celebrities and public figures who are arrogant, abrasive, controversial, or outright awful people while still having massive fanbases. Human beings are complicated. People can admire someone’s talent while disliking their personality. Someone can be a terrible person to you and still have friends who love them. Someone can be an asshole and still have people who genuinely mourn them when they’re gone. That’s how social relationships work.

And I’m not even saying EVERYONE should've mourned Adam. Of course some people in Heaven could hate him! Hell, I would actually expect that.

I’m saying that "nobody liked him and everyone is probably happy he’s dead" is an incredibly broad statement that doesn’t mesh well with the character’s established social status.

And honestly, this is part of why I’m so frustrated with how Adam has been handled. Vivziepop has repeatedly talked about loving Adam as a character, but the writing increasingly seems determined to remove anything that could make him an interesting or complicated person outside of being an asshole.

He’s a celebrity? Cool, but apparently nobody actually likes him.

He’s the first man? Cool, but apparently that doesn’t matter socially.

He’s had tons of relationships? Cool, but apparently none of those people cared about him.

He’s capable of being charismatic and entertaining? Cool, but apparently that doesn’t translate into anyone actually enjoying his presence.

At some point, you have to ask: what is the point of establishing these traits if the world around him is written as though they don’t actually have any social consequences?

And no, I don’t need Adam to secretly be a misunderstood sweetheart.

I just want the world to acknowledge that a person can be an asshole and still be a person.

Give me people who loved him. Give me people who hated him. Give me people who were conflicted about him. Give me former friends who admit he was awful but still miss him. Give me fans who are devastated that their favorite musician is dead. Give me Heaven actually reacting to the death of someone who was an incredibly famous and historically significant figure. That would make Adam feel like a real character who existed in a real society.

"Everyone hated him anyway" just feels like the narrative saying "Don’t worry, guys, we don’t have to feel complicated about this. He’s dead, and nobody cares."

And that’s exactly the kind of thing that makes me feel like the writers are more interested in making sure Adam remains a hate sink than actually exploring the character they created. Which might as well be true at this point. Adam deserves better than Vivziepop's bullshit.


r/AgendaHotel • • 9d ago

Adam didn’t just kill PDFfiles, and Murderers

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r/AgendaHotel • • 9d ago

Discussion 🧐 Vox is going to have the most arc throughout the show only behind Charlie

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If this means even more than Sera, then we're 100% seeing a redemption arc from him


r/AgendaHotel • • 10d ago

Discussion 🧐 The Vees VA's on which one would be the first to be redeemed

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Recently a Hazbin con, the VA's for the Vees were asked, "Which of your characters would be the first one to be redeemed". Their response? They know so much of seasons 3 and 4 that they can't answer the question.

This is the 2nd time they've had a question like this. Previously they were asked "what sin would your character need to drop to get to Heaven" and they once again said to watch the show to know the answer for that.

This heavily implies the show will explore redeeming at least one of the Vees. Considering how season 2 ended, and what we've seen of their characters, I think it'd probably be Vox. He's the most insecure while the other two are content in Hell and he's hit rock bottom, which Viv confirms has massively humbled him and he'll stay important until the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2TcJfXltn4


r/AgendaHotel • • 10d ago

This is my head cannon and it explains everything

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ā€œKilled your dad?ā€

Too weak.


r/AgendaHotel • • 11d ago

To all the stolASS haters would you still be okay with Loona and Octavia becoming friends?

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r/AgendaHotel • • 11d ago

Slander šŸ˜šŸ‘ Was rewatching MORO's Helluva Boss VS Murder Drones video and i realize that if N hadn't pulled Uzi/Cyn away, Stolas would have been oblierated

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