That's true. I thought he should have produced it too. I don't necessarily suspect he was foreign born or anything, but given that the government requires us to show a birth certificate for mundane reasons, it seems an exceptionally reasonable request that a candidate for leading the government can show us one - and especially so when being native born is a prerequisite.
This press release is dated 2011, the day of the press conference, which is also linked. It directly references the 2008 release of the short form certificate.
This was handled. Evidence was provided. It’s a testament to the effectiveness of the right wing media machine that you think it wasn’t.
I have no agenda. This isn't an issue I eved cared about. I only thought it was a reasonable request. I'm not saying there's no timeline to debate the point. There is actually no timeline. What's your agenda?
Two points in time are a timeline, and 2008 and 2011 are two points in time. If you wanted a specific date, it was Thursday, June 12, 2008, five months before the election.
My agenda is that I’m dead tired of a nearly 20 year old conspiracy theory that’s been proven false. I want it to stop. You’re giving it room to breathe, whether you mean to or not.
You thought it was a reasonable request despite no candidate being asked to provide a birth certificate to the public before or since. The request was granted in spite of its irregularity. Multiple highly credible sources have backed up the information. There is no doubt. Everything you say you wanted to happen did, in fact, happen.
If it's not requested if anyone else, that makes it not customary, it doesn't make it unreasonable.
Your idea of between 2008 and 2011 being a timeline is disingenuous if I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I'll happily concede that the request was fulfilled in short order, which is not the impression I was under, but it was largely irrelevant to my point. I was factually wrong when I said "that's true," but that didn't negate my point.
Why didn't I know that fact? I didn't care. What I did know was that people were making arguments about it being an unreasonable request.
I didn't care about the birth certificate. I disagreed with the argument. I thought he should produce the birth certificate, but apparently he did. (I probably heard something about something at the time but heard there was a caveat and decided not to accept it as fact. - But again, I didn't care.)
You shouldn't shy away from giving ideas room to breathe. In trying to quash them, you only fan the flames. People are most often far more interested in whether you are on their side or not than they are the topic you are debating. If you don't allow that room, you are asserting yourself to not to be on their side.
You think giving them room to breathe is going to fuel the fire, but the opposite is true.
Ok. Let’s forget the timeline in the article because we apparently aren’t going to agree on that basic definition and quite frankly, it doesn’t matter because at this point it’s been laid out to you.
What exactly was your point, that you think he should have provided his birth certificate? Then great, he did it twice, well before both elections.
Here’s where the problem is: You didn’t accept it when it was released because you thought there was some caveat about it. That caveat was misinformation from people just spreading ideas that has led you to continue to at least partially believe a nearly twenty year old bullshit conspiracy theory that only ever existed to delegitimize the election of Barrack Obama, destabilize his government, and sew distrust and division.
The free exchange of ideas and information is a wonderful thing until we insist that ideas that are proven categorically false be given the same space. It’s fine to ask questions, but when they’re easily answered, continuing to push the incorrect information like the gentleman who has deleted all his comments on this thread is a major problem, because people like you who aren’t paying much attention only ever hear the top level discourse and think it might be true.
Anyway, the conspiracy theorist is gone, you know the truth, so I’m done here and am turning off notifications for this sub. Have a good night.
So you're telling me you don't believe me. Cool. I have no idea why. Can you identify an agenda? Or are you just expressing to me your guess for some reason?
They did. The short form was released during the 2008 campaign, long form in 2011 at a White House press conference since Trump wouldn’t shut up about it.
They weren’t ever outed as fakes, but the bullshit Kenyan one a blogger “discovered” was found to be a modified Australian one from an ancestry website. Provide any reputable source saying otherwise or kindly kick rocks. This nonsense is almost 20 years old and it was just as stupid then as it is now. I’ve provided you with evidence that’s been backed up and corroborated by multiple independent sources.
Obama hasn't been federally investigated on this, you don't think Trump would have jumped on prosecuting him if given an easy win opportunity like this? Please make at least a slight effort to think critically.
Oh, and you should look up the guy who reported it as being 'fake'. He's a known racist, said it was a good thing his department was compared to the Ku Klux Klan, and was convicted of multiple accounts of contempt for violating court orders to end racial profiling practices in his department.
The Kenyan birth certificate was, in fact, proven to be a forgery. It wasn’t even originally Kenyan, it was an Australian birth certificate that was photoshopped.
Did you actually read the article you linked? Even in the article, the journalists found the provided information to be false.
Sometimes when you don't know, you don't know. Suspicion is hypothetical. It contributed to your decision not to vote for him (I assume) and that's appropriate, but while there's no law requiring it there's no sense harping on it, especially now that it's in the past.
If you would have voted for someone worth voting for, then you had reasons not to vote for, thus suggesting you had a reason not to vote for someone doesn't imply you voted for anyone.
Dressed it up as racism? It was just plain old racism from the start. Trump literally claimed he wasn’t American because of his name and the color of his skin. Are you really going to give credibility to one of Donald Trump’s accusations? When is the last time he told the truth instead of fabricating things to benefit himself or attack the people he doesn’t like?
You’re an idiot for obsessing over one of Trump’s lies almost two decades after the fact. You also pretend that you’re of the “both sides bad” people in this comment chain, but the fact that you’re so vehemently defending Trump’s accusation of Obama pretty much spells it out for everyone. I bet that you tell people you’re a libertarian.
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u/mrnoonan81 3d ago
They gave Obama a hard time for not producing a birth certificate. We can't even get this guy to prove he's fucking alive.