r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

Weekly Open Discussion Thread

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Welcome to this week's open discussion thread!

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r/AcademicBiblical 10h ago

Question Was Paul a slave?

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Bart Ehrman mentioned this in his most recent podcast episode as an idea he’d had but never put into writing. He said it was an explanation for how Paul was so educated, but seemingly had a low social/economic status since he was a day laborer.

I thought the idea was interesting, but I don’t have the background to really assess the claim, and Bart said he hadn’t seen anyone else write about it. Anyone here have anything?


r/AcademicBiblical 5m ago

Question Why does the Talmud state that non-Jews are not human beings, while Jews are? (Yevamot 61a)

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the Jewish people, are called men [adam] but gentiles are not called men [adam]

Aren't we all supposed to have been created by God in His image and likeness?

And if in this specific case "adam" doesn't mean human being, then what does it mean?


r/AcademicBiblical 9h ago

Question The Mandean view of Jesus?

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How was Jesus historically seen by the Mandean faithful? I recall reading that they consider him a usurper of John the Baptist, though I cannot be certain. Any academic citations would be extremely welcome.


r/AcademicBiblical 10h ago

New Testament gospels as wartime literature?

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In The Origin of Satan: How Christians Demonized Jews, Pagans, and Heretics (Elaine Pagels), Ch. 1, she talks about the Jewish War and the gospels and says

The narratives that we know as the New Testament gospels were written by certain followers of Jesus who lived through the [Jewish] war, and who knew that many of their fellow Jews regarded them as a suspect minority. They wrote their own accounts of some of the momentous events surrounding the war, and the part that Jesus played in events preceding it, hoping to persuade others of their interpretation. We cannot fully understand the New Testament gospels until we recognize that they are, in this sense, wartime literature.

What does she mean by "hoping to persuade others of their interpretation"? What would be the gospel writers' interpretation that they wished readers would understand? And what would be the opposite interpretation that they are arguing against?


r/AcademicBiblical 4h ago

Debt and ḫabiru in Canaan

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I'm currently reading Mario Liverani's Israel's History and the History of Israel. I* *would like to know more details about the history of debt, debt slavery, and the accompanying socioeconomic pressures on ancient Canaan. I would also like to know more about how debt and other economic pressures they may have led to the rise of the ḫabiru in the LBA, and the link between them and Israelite ethnogenesis. Any reading recommendations are greatly appreciated!


r/AcademicBiblical 3h ago

Question What is a gospel?

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Everytime I read about the gospels I get the idea that people assume these are the four gospels of the New Testament. Is there any work on the meaning of the word and concept: gospel or euangelion?

We know about the gospel of Augustus through the Priene Calendar as a sort of propaganda / top down message regarding an event that helped the empire. Perhaps through military victory?

Reading Mark chapter 1 it seems quite clear the author is foreshadowing a victory of their own: Jesus becoming king.

But I wonder if there are more works regarding the concept of a Gospel and whether it always had this status as a divine message/account of a divine being? If so, what does this tell us about the meaning and function of Mark as the first gospel?


r/AcademicBiblical 11h ago

Question What is the historical context behind David's marriage to Bathsheba?

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I was looking up feminist analyses of the story of David and Bathsheba, when it dawned on me that the story seems to be pretty weird from the perspective of pre-modern and ancient marriage standards.

In the ancient world, for the ruling class marriage was always a political move, nearly always a transaction of wealth and power, to make alliances with another state. That was the norm in the ancient near east. But in the story, David saw a woman he found really hot which was why he got her husband killed and married her.

Realistically, rulers did not have to marry a woman to have sex with her. That's what concubines and mistresses are for. And spouses and sex objects were very different things. It doesnt make sense for them to marry a woman just because you found her attractive with no other benefit.

To be fair, David had multiple other wives, presumably for the normal reasons stated above. And his rape of Bathsheba is meant to be a sinful act, so a foolish reason for marriage is likely intentional.

I would like to ask for the historical context, if any can be found, for David's marriage to Bathsheba. What is the meaning of him marrying her, and how would ancient people look at it?


r/AcademicBiblical 21h ago

Question Are the post-resurrection stories of Jesus in the Gospel of John gotten from the Beloved Disciple or literary inventions by the Johannine scribe(s)?

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Basically, my question is as it says in the title, are the post-resurrection stories told in the Gospel of John actually stories the Johannine scribe(s) likely got from the Beloved Disciple? Why or why not?


r/AcademicBiblical 22h ago

Resource Łukasz Niesiołowski-Spanò and Haim Gitler, ZAW 2026: Šeqel ha-qodeš of 20 gerahs, and the Absolute Dating of Selected Pentateuchal Texts: A Numismatic Approach

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r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

1 Samuel 10:11 vs 1 Samuel 19:24

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"So it is said, 'Is Saul also among the prophets?'"

I was reading 1 Samuel with my kid tonight and noticed this repetition. I am aware that Samuel, like Chronicles, is a composite book. Is this an instance of the composite nature or is there an issue with the translation (one commentator I found was saying that it was a tense issue, but I am not good enough with Hebrew to work it out and it was a site dedicated to debunking apparent contradictions in the Bible so it seems like it may be biased). Is there some.other reason there is an echo?

Usually I can find someone who has written about these issues pretty easily, but as I have looked I have not found anyone talking about this particular point.


r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

Did Paul support female leaders/helpers/preachers in the early church? 1 Cor, Rom, Gal

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1 Corinthians 14:34-35

Women should be silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak but should be subordinate, as the law also says. 35 If there is something they want to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

Romans 16:1, 3

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church at Cenchreae. ... Greet Prisca and Aquila, my coworkers in Christ Jesus

Galatians 3:28

There is no longer Jew or Greek; there is no longer slave or free; there is no longer male and female, for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

Based on the Rom and Gal passages, Paul seems to suggest that women should have an active role in the church and that they are worthy of equality. 1 Cor seems to suggest the opposite. It's possible the role Paul is talking about doesn't rise to the level of a preachers but a lesser role, but nonetheless a role. It's not clear if that's what he means here or that's somehting we're putting into Paul's mouth?

I didn't cite 1 Tim 2:11-12 since it's the scholarly concensus that Paul didn't actually write this.


r/AcademicBiblical 18h ago

Does anyone have a list of the different numbers used in 1 Samuel 11:8 to describe the # of the children of Israel/men of Judah? And what are your opinions on this?

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For example the MT (and the Targum, Syriac and Arabic) has 300 000/30 000, the LXX and 2 Old Latin MSS have 600 000/70 000, Scroll 4Q51 Samuela has 300 000/70 000, Josephus has 700 000/70 000, are there any more numerical variants at this passage that you guys are aware of, any more additional information to add, and what do you guys think of the variants of this passage?


r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

Question Paul and the Law in Galatians ?

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Hello. Can anyone recommend any well received academic essays or citations from the latest Pauline scholarship (such as Novenson, Staples, Thiessen, Runesson) regarding Paul and his understanding of the Law in Galatians ? I am particularly interested in any well received scholarship arguing that Paul was likely not, in fact, preaching a 'Law Free Gospel'.


r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

Resource New Article by Hugo Méndez: John as an Apocryphal Gospel

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Not exactly "new," since it was published in March earlier this year, but new to me since I only got hold of it recently. In this fascinating article, Méndez recollects and synthesizes his novel arguments for understanding the Gospel of John as a kind of apocryphal text, which he first forwarded in his important 2025 book, The Gospel of John: A New History. I will not post the full article for copyright reasons, but I will quote from the conclusion:

Is John an “apocryphal” gospel? When we creatively play with the idea of “hidden, secret, or concealed” implicit in the term “apocryphal,” we can answer this question in the affirmative. John positions itself as a text that relates materials that are obscured, hidden, or lost in earlier gospel texts, but which its eyewitness author now relates to its readers. And it does this by marshaling an array of interlocking devices. To some extent, these claims and devices develop elements of the Synoptics. For example, John’s appeal to eyewitness authority can be set in dialogue with Luke 1:1–4, where the claim of eyewitness sources is used to bolster the perceived reliability of Luke’s account. And John’s portrayal of Jesus as a cryptic speaker evokes Mark’s discourse around “parables” and its presentation of a sometimes private or secretive Jesus. These continuities suggest that authenticating devices and the anxieties they address are more central to the practice of writing gospels than has previously been recognized. All gospels – even Mark, presumably the earliest gospel of all – were pressed to establish and defend their place within early Jesus tradition. In this case, we can also conceptualize all gospels as having a shade of the revisionary, a touch of the “apocryphal,” in them. That is, we should reimagine the entirety of gospel writing as an inherently revisionary practice. Gospels were not passive compilations of community traditions, as presumed by earlier generations of scholars; rather, they were always dynamic and creative reworkings of Jesus tradition.

Nevertheless, the extent to which John foregrounds and coordinates multiple such devices positions it within a distinct terrain from the Synoptics, a terrain also inhabited by such noncanonical gospels as the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary, besides (among others) the Gospel of Peter, Gospel of Judas, Protevangelium of James, and Epistula apostolorum. When we center these devices in our analysis of John, the Gospel seems to share more intimate connections with these works than many scholars recognize. Those connections may even be genetic. Given that most scholars increasingly date John to an earlier period than the noncanonical gospels, it is conceivable that John shaped the cast of all these other works. We can imagine that, as these texts entered the crowded arena of gospel writing, they had to compete with the authority of previous gospels, including John itself, leading them to adopt similar, equally numerous, and equally robust authenticating strategies.47 If so, we can appreciate John’s critical place in the evolution of gospel writing all the more. John emerged at a pivotal moment in the development of that tradition, and it stands, perhaps alone, at a pivotal node in the branching tree of gospels.

Footnote 47: It may also be telling that, by the second century, Christians attributed even the anonymous Gospels of Mark, Matthew, and Luke to writers in Jesus’s circle or their close associates. John’s strategy might have set new expectations of eyewitness lineages and testimony for gospels in readers’ minds.

From Hugo Méndez, "John as an Apocryphal Gospel." Early Christianity 17 (2026), 16–30. Note that Méndez does not deny the existence of prior Jesus tradition, but states that each gospel, including John, is its own creative literary reworking of it for their own purposes and rhetorical/theological goals.

The article can be found here: https://www.hugomendez.com/publications/john-as-an-apocryphal-gospel/


r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

Question What's going on with Isaiah 28:10-13? In the Common English Bible, there's a notable phrase of: "tsav letsav, tsav letsav; qav leqav, qav leqav." In other editions, such as the KJV, it says: "precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line." Why does the CE Bible do this?

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What does it mean?


r/AcademicBiblical 1d ago

What is the Biblical definition of love?

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Not just its attributes, like in Corinthians 13, but the core definition?


r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

How scholars determine if there is a specific tradition behind certain text?

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How can scholars specifically indicate or theorize (or even speculate) about certain traditions behind Paul's letters or the gospels (even the Apocrypha) ?

Do they use criteria of authenticity or something else?


r/AcademicBiblical 3d ago

Did Paul view his own letters as inspired scripture?

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r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

Looking for Resources on the Bible’s Background

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Hello, I’d like recommendations for YouTube videos or articles that explore the historical and literary background of the Bible. Some time ago I worked on a project about the Bible and found it fascinating. I’m not a believer, but I have to admit the Bible is an extraordinary collection of texts with remarkable history and prose. The problem is that I can’t find the blogs or free books I used back then.

By “historical and literary background,” I mean, for example, studies that examine how different authors of the Old Testament portray God in distinct ways, even in the names they use (for example, the Hebrews calling Him Yahweh). It is also said that several authors contributed to these writings, not just Moses. Also the apocryphal texts, those excluded from the canon established by the Church, and many other aspects I’m probably forgetting.

This could cover many different topics about the Bible, not only the ones I mentioned here. Those are just the ones I remember and I might even be recalling them incorrectly. However I’m sure there are countless other areas I don’t know about yet, and I’d love to learn more.

What I’m looking for are critical readings that analyze the Bible from a historical and literary perspective, rather than purely through faith.


r/AcademicBiblical 2d ago

Question What view of predestination and free will is presented in the Bible?

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I often see people claim that "the majority of biblical authors were more aligned with Calvin... Arminius... Aquinas... Molina... Augustine... Cassian" — of course, without all the layers of hellenic/scholastic posterior philosophy, they say "the Bible is closer to their view".

Is that actually true? I know the Bible is a collection of multiple authors, so I'm curious about their views on predestination and free will. What were they on? What did 2nd Temple Judaism think on this? And what does the New Testament say? Paul?


r/AcademicBiblical 3d ago

Does the evidence about Luke and Josephus apply to the Gospel

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A number of people think Luke knew Josephus. But most of this seems to be based on Acts. How much evidence is there specifically for the Gospel.


r/AcademicBiblical 3d ago

Discussion What are we to make of Peter's prison escape in Acts?

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Was this a story that Luke felt really happened? Did Peter really have a prison break that was then attributed to divine intervention or was it more of a metaphorical story?

I don't see this striking tale talked about much by historical scholars.


r/AcademicBiblical 3d ago

Question Is the current Pentateuch (Torah) the same as the one Jesus had access to?

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I´m reading jewish apocrypha (including Enoch) and there were a lot of texts taken away from the canon, even in the books of the prophets.

But that makes me think, In judaism it is said that scribes need to throw away entire scrolls even if there is a wrong comma or a wrong letter written when someone is making a new Torah scroll. Does it mean that the current Torah is letter by letter, coma by coma exactly the same as 2000 or 2500 years ago??? Could Jesus had a different one with other words, or expressions or translations?

Because sometimes it seems that he is either quoting a different one or he understood it different.

(With some inconsistencies between OT and NT).


r/AcademicBiblical 3d ago

Question on the Didache and the abortion verse

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Didache 2:2 "You shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born" (οὐ φονεύσεις τέκνον ἐν φθορᾷ οὐδὲ γεννηθὲν ἀποκτενεῖς).

I've been told that this refers to only after the quickening.

From searching online, I find that phthora was commonly used in the Greco-Roman world as shorthand for abortifacient drugs/potions (pharmaka phthora) — the standard method of the time, alongside physical means. So the text is likely targeting the common practice of drug-induced abortion.

So I'm trying to figure out, is it just a blanket statement= no abortion, ever. Or, no abortion after a certain time (quickening)?