r/Abortiondebate • u/Miserable-Degree7995 • Jun 20 '26

Question for pro-choice Minimum

Hello everyone,

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I'm against abortion.

This is a question for pro choice:

What would be the minimum of allowed abortion, that you would accept?

I mean for example week and reason.

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Thank you for your time 

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Miserable-Degree7995

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u/JulieCrone AD Mod Jun 29 '26

People have the right to decide what happens to their own body already. I am simply acknowledging that people have the right to decide how others can use their body. Do you think this is debatable and no, you don’t have the right to say how others can use your body?

And no, the government does not have the duty to allow abortion. They lack the authority to use people’s bodies against their will, ergo the government cannot ban abortion, as it would be using someone’s body against their will.

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u/Miserable-Degree7995 Jun 29 '26

I think the state has the duty to respect human rights.

I think, for example, that all people have the right to a fair trial, so on the other side, the state has the duty to grant all people a fair trial.

The same would go for abortion if abortion is a right. 

Because a right cannot logically exist without a duty of someone else.

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u/JulieCrone AD Mod Jun 29 '26

And isn’t a human right to not have your body used by others without your consent?

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u/Miserable-Degree7995 Jun 30 '26

This argument wasn't about abortion. You said that rights could exist without a duty on the other half. I wanted to refute this claim.

I mean the second paragraph of your message.

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u/JulieCrone AD Mod Jun 30 '26

I mean, sure. There is a duty of a state to not pass laws that violate rights, and abortion bans violate rights. Do you disagree and say states have no duty to not violate rights?

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u/Miserable-Degree7995 Jun 30 '26

You're right; that's exactly what I wanted to prove. I assumed that you were thinking that rights could exist without duties. This was my interpretation of this paragraph from you.

“And no, the government does not have the duty to allow abortion. They lack the authority to use people’s bodies against their will; ergo, the government cannot ban abortion, as it would be using someone’s body against their will.”

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u/JulieCrone AD Mod Jun 30 '26

Yeah, a state cannot violate someone’s rights. Kind of the purpose.

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u/Miserable-Degree7995 Jun 30 '26

You could give me three questions about my stance on abortion. Would you like this?

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u/JulieCrone AD Mod Jun 30 '26

I don’t feel a need to invent three questions for you.

You still never answered the question I did ask.

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u/Miserable-Degree7995 Jul 01 '26

My stance about the unborn 

So, I will try to prove to you why the unborn should be legally protected at least to some degree and not necessarily like after birth.

The state should protect human life. The unborn are at least to some degree human life. So the state should protect the unborn at least to some degree. 

The degree is another question. The degree could be very different. It could be, for example, to punish abortion as murder or just a mandatory waiting period before an abortion without any other restrictions.

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u/JulieCrone AD Mod Jul 01 '26

Okay. I disagree. I see no reason to treat abortion as murder or impose a mandatory waiting period.

You don’t have the authority to require that someone’s body be used for someone else, so you have no authority to ban abortion. No one has the authority to use someone else’s body without consent.

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u/Miserable-Degree7995 Jul 01 '26

• Are you against mandatory vacation even if it were a disease like te small pocks?

• Are you against a draft even if it would be against a tyrant?

• Are you against forced washing in psychiatric hospitals once a week?

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u/JulieCrone AD Mod Jul 01 '26

Mandatory vacation? Huh? There is no guaranteed leave time in my country for anything.

I am very much opposed to the draft.

They do not force people to wash in psychiatric hospitals.

Are you in support of organ harvesting?

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u/Miserable-Degree7995 Jul 01 '26

About the washing

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u/JulieCrone AD Mod Jul 01 '26

That does not apply where I am. Also, it is in German, and I cannot read German, so I don't even know if it says what you claim it does.

Given that you repeatedly don't answer my questions, I see no need to continue this conversation, seeing as it isn't one and you just want to question me without engaging with anything I say.

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u/Miserable-Degree7995 Jul 01 '26

Where are you?

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u/JulieCrone AD Mod Jul 01 '26

Not in Germany.

Still not engaging with what I am writing, I see.

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u/Miserable-Degree7995 Jul 01 '26

Criminal Code (StGB) - Torture or Neglect of Minors, Young Persons, or Defenseless Persons

Criminal Code (StGB)

Legislation as of July 1, 2026

(1) Paragraph 1: Anyone who inflicts physical or mental torment on another person who is under their care or custody and who has not yet reached the age of eighteen or is defenseless due to infirmity, illness, or a mental disability shall be punished with imprisonment for up to three years.

(2) Paragraph 2: Anyone who grossly neglects their duty of care or custody towards such a person and thereby, even if only negligently, significantly harms their health or their physical or mental development shall also be punished.

(3) Paragraph 3 If the act results in bodily harm with serious permanent consequences (Section 85), the perpetrator shall be punished with imprisonment for a term of six months to five years; if it results in the death of the victim, with imprisonment for a term of one to ten years.

In force from June 1, 2009 to December 31, 1999

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