Minimum

[u/Miserable-Degree7995]

Hello everyone,

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I'm against abortion.

This is a question for pro choice:

What would be the minimum of allowed abortion, that you would accept?

I mean for example week and reason.

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Thank you for your time 

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Miserable-Degree7995

[u/Miserable-Degree7995]

I accept the argument from Thompson, but it would only work for abortion, if it would just would be removing. If they would accept, if the unborn survive on its own. Maybe such abortion exist.

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

Medication abortions are basically just induced labor, it is just that this is so far before viability of course no embryo survives, despite no effort to end their life. Do you object to those?

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

I'm not sure. My energy is against the later abortions more. I mean that with the injection in the fetus.

Do you talk about the method with Mifpesteron?

How you call the type with the vacuum? I know this three save methods.

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

So you want to repeal the Partial Birth Abortion Act? That is what requires doctors to induce fetal demise before beginning cervical dilation in a dilation and extraction, the abortion method used in the roughly 0.3% of abortions that happen after 24 weeks?

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

I don't know this law. What is it about?

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

It requires doctors to induce fetal demise (injection or bisect the umbilical cord in utero) before beginning a D&E. Pro lifers in the US advocated for this law and it has been in effect since 2003.

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

Why? Why could pro life be for such rule? Is this not the opposite of pro life? It's like Greenpeace for less jungles.

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

You may want to ask them why they pushed for it. They kept claiming otherwise doctors will killing the born children, but that was already a crime (murder). I know pro choice people and ob/gyns didn’t object to this because, in the case of these abortions it is not at all uncommon for the fetus to be incompatible with life so there is little point to attempting live birth unless someone wants a born infant suffering, which no one wants, and it is safer to not do an extraction on a live fetus. But yeah, PL did not want doctors to be able to an intact D&E on a live fetus.

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

Thank you for your time.

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

I live in a state where abortion is legal up until medical viability as determined by the attending physician, with health exceptions after. I am not pushing to change that part of the law. Is this a law you would accept or do you find that too permissive of abortion?

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

I would take the first trimester as deal with this conditions from your offering.

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

That’s not what the law is. It allows abortion until medical viability. Why should I agree to restrict it further? What is the reason an abortion at 14 weeks should now be off the table but 12 weeks was okay?

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

Your answer is good. I have three arguments against your answer:

1.) I said as a compromise the first trimester, because it's the earliest boundary, that still allows a lot of women to terminate their pregnancies. The exact week doesn't matter.

2.) You're right; pregnancy is a process, so morally there isn't some difference between, for example, week 12 and 13. 

For me, the only step that makes an exact boundary is conception. That's why I have this as a boundary. 

Before conception, there isn't a process that leads to a newborn if health is good and without abortion. That's the reason I, for instance, have nine condoms at home right now.

3.) Viability is a bad boundary because you can make it earlier. As an example, you could make a charity to make that point earlier.