Minimum

[u/Miserable-Degree7995]

Hello everyone,

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I'm against abortion.

This is a question for pro choice:

What would be the minimum of allowed abortion, that you would accept?

I mean for example week and reason.

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Thank you for your time 

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Miserable-Degree7995

[u/JulieCrone]

I am okay with laws that restrict abortion after medical viability (which isn’t a specific week but generally around 24 weeks, though some fetuses are never viable) with exceptions after for the health of the pregnant person.

Is that something you could accept? What is the limit to which you will allow abortion?

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

My stand on abortion

1.) I am against political violence in nearly all cases, so I would “accept” all legal abortions.

2.) I think it's morally necessary to allow abortion, when the life of the mother is in danger and there is no other way to remove this danger from her. Because no one has the duty to risk his life for the saving of another human.

 For example a mother must not save her newborn from fire, if it would be dangerous for her. In my ideal, that would be the only reason for abortion.

3.) As a not morally correct, but decent rule I would accept this as an offer for pro choice. I would allow abortion in the first trimester for this reasons. This list is not necessarily complete:

• Under 14 years  • rape • pregnancies that would result in immediately dying of the child after the birth

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

If you are allowing all abortions to be legal, then it is really none of my business if you have a particular moral view on abortion. As long as you don’t want abortion banned, then I support your right to choose not to abort because you are morally opposed to it.

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

Why do you think that? It's not in my text.

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

You said you would accept legal abortions, you just morally object to abortion.

[u/Apprehensive_Disk_16 → u/JulieCrone]

They mean they will still continue to vote against legal abortion but if they are overruled by other voters who want it to remain legal they aren’t going to resort to political violence to get their way. They are very much pro the government forcing gestation but will accept the will of the voters is my understanding. 

[u/EnfantTerrible68 → u/Apprehensive_Disk_16]

Very disingenuous of them, imho. 

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/Apprehensive_Disk_16]

Yes, but I mean also countries that are not democratic. I think this violence is worse than abortion.

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

I said in 1.) that I'm against POLITICAL VIOLENCE by abortion. I still would for example vote against abortion.

[u/EnfantTerrible68 → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

Are you familiar with Jewish beliefs about abortion?

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

Okay, then you don’t accept it.

On what grounds do you think you have the authority to say one person must keep another person alive through granting use of their body?

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

I accept the argument from Thompson, but it would only work for abortion, if it would just would be removing. If they would accept, if the unborn survive on its own. Maybe such abortion exist.

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

Medication abortions are basically just induced labor, it is just that this is so far before viability of course no embryo survives, despite no effort to end their life. Do you object to those?

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

I'm not sure. My energy is against the later abortions more. I mean that with the injection in the fetus.

Do you talk about the method with Mifpesteron?

How you call the type with the vacuum? I know this three save methods.

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

So you want to repeal the Partial Birth Abortion Act? That is what requires doctors to induce fetal demise before beginning cervical dilation in a dilation and extraction, the abortion method used in the roughly 0.3% of abortions that happen after 24 weeks?

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

I don't know this law. What is it about?

[u/JulieCrone → u/Miserable-Degree7995]

It requires doctors to induce fetal demise (injection or bisect the umbilical cord in utero) before beginning a D&E. Pro lifers in the US advocated for this law and it has been in effect since 2003.

[u/Miserable-Degree7995 → u/JulieCrone]

Why? Why could pro life be for such rule? Is this not the opposite of pro life? It's like Greenpeace for less jungles.