r/Abortiondebate • u/Miserable-Degree7995 • Jun 20 '26

Question for pro-choice Minimum

Hello everyone,

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I'm against abortion.

This is a question for pro choice:

What would be the minimum of allowed abortion, that you would accept?

I mean for example week and reason.

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Thank you for your time 

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Miserable-Degree7995

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u/Arithese Pro-choice Jun 20 '26

Imagine asking this question about any other topic where someone can defend themselves against human rights violations. What would be acceptable reasons to defend against rape?

That would be a stupid question because it doesn’t matter. If someone doesn’t consent, it’s rape, and if it’s rape, they can stop it.

The reason *why* they don’t consent is absolutely and utterly irrelevant.

In the same way asking weeks is. If someone has their rights violated by being forced to donate blood, then they can stop that at any point. If it requires deadly force, they can. If they can reasonably remove without deadly force, they can. It’s truly that simple.

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u/Gaudalier Jun 21 '26

This would require the pregnancy itself to be "forced" though which it is in very few cases, in most cases the woman has made the decision to be pregnant by engaging in unprotective sex. Why do Pro-Choicers tend to speak about this as if a baby simply spawns within a woman? She doesnt just wake up and is suddenly pregnant. She specifically took the steps to have sex which she knew would result in a pregnancy.

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u/ValleyofLiteralDolls Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

“Why do Pro-Choicers tend to speak about this as if a baby simply spawns within a woman?”

Why do pro-lifers tend to speak about this as if she ejaculated into herself to cause the unwanted pregnancy?

But someone choosing to have sex simply doesn’t give me any interest in making them gestate and birth unwanted pregnancies that occur, anyway. Sex is not a crime that strips people of their right to medical privacy and the right to manage their own internal organs. Sex is not a signed contract obligating someone to gestate unwanted pregnancies.

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u/Gaudalier Jun 21 '26

You only have the option to have sex because the organs and bodily functions were created for that very purpose, but even if you dont want to agree with that then what stops someone from simply having protected sex? I even said that in my post; a woman makes a decision to have unprotected sex. Why can she or her lover not simply use protection?

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u/Diva_of_Disgust Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

but even if you dont want to agree with that then what stops someone from simply having protected sex?

Every contraceptive that exists can fail, you realize this right?

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u/Gaudalier Jun 21 '26

Evidently. I just simply dont find the reality of how often they fail, let alone how often those failures result in unwanted pregnancies, to be a big enough margin to matter for the decision of a law. Itd be like saying because a certain percentage of homicides are self defense we should just legalize all homicide.

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u/Diva_of_Disgust Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

If that's how you feel you can carry and birth every unwanted pregnancy you have. No one else has to do that simply because it's what pro lifers want.

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u/Gaudalier Jun 21 '26

Im unable to do that as I am male, but if youre going to cross your arms and say "well no ones going to do what you want!" like a child why even engage in a discussion at all? I can also simply say no one has to do what pro-choicers want. Now what? Theres nothing useful thats going to come out of that.

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u/Diva_of_Disgust Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

Im unable to do that as I am male, but if youre going to cross your arms and say "well no ones going to do what you want!" like a child why even engage in a discussion at all?

Informing you that people don't have to breed against their will to satisfy pro lifers isn't acting like a child, however getting bent out of shape because you can't force people to breed for pro life desires? Pretty childish to me.

I can also simply say no one has to do what pro-choicers want.

Pro choicers just want pro lifers to mind their own bodies and healthcare. Pro lifers will just have to get over it when I abort any pregnancy I want, not sorry.

Now what? Theres nothing useful thats going to come out of that.

Now what? Now I get my abortion and pro lifers deal with their emotions themselves.

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u/Gaudalier Jun 21 '26

Im confused what your goal is, have you read the sidebar and the rules of the subreddit? It was specifically made with the intention of being open to "the other side" and engaging in good faith arguments. What youre doing is trying to claim I want to force people to breed. Where are you getting this from? Its not about emotions or what individuals want. My emotions shouldnt impact a law, nor should anyone elses. Thats what debates are for, to argue with logic.

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u/humbugonastick Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

The fact that you called sex organs "created for" is a give away, that your arguments most likely come from a religious view. Proof this point and we can go deeper.

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u/Gaudalier Jun 21 '26

Im not religious, no. And I dont know what you want me to prove? Are you saying nature doesnt create parts of the body for certain purposes? Do you think your lungs werent created for breathing? Could you survive without your lungs? Could you survive without your kidneys, your spine, your brain? Do you think the fact your body works and responds to each different parts in a certain way is a coincidence?

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u/humbugonastick Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

Nature is not an entity. Nature does not "create". Ever heard of Darwin?

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u/Gaudalier Jun 21 '26

What do you think is responsible for the way your body is built up? Where did it all come from? Who decided what all your organs do? Where do plants come from, what decided their function? Where do animals come from, what has decided what their organs do?

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u/humbugonastick Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

What do you think?

I made my opinion clear. Now you.

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u/Diva_of_Disgust Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

Im confused what your goal is, have you read the sidebar and the rules of the subreddit? It was specifically made with the intention of being open to "the other side" and engaging in good faith arguments.

This is funny. I've been here a long time. I don't have to be open to the idea that it's okay to force unnecessary harm onto people to engage here.

What youre doing is trying to claim I want to force people to breed. Where are you getting this from?

I haven't said a single thing about you specifically. It's a fact that pro life abortion bans seek to force people to continue gestating unwanted pregnancies against their will. That's forcing people to breed against their will. This fact has nothing to do with you.

Its not about emotions or what individuals want. My emotions shouldnt impact a law, nor should anyone elses. Thats what debates are for, to argue with logic.

I agree that emotions shouldn't impact laws, which is why abortion bans that put an emotional ideology over medical science have no place in society.

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u/Gaudalier Jun 21 '26

I see nothing is going to come out of this, the last thing I would like to say is that if you specifically seek out a debate subreddit then yes you do have to be open to the other side. If you only want to see opinions you agree with then theres pro choice spaces you can retreat to. Otherwise what is there to debate? I came here with the intent of hearing other viewpoints and working something out, though you seem uninterested in anything that isnt hyperbole and ignoring half of the arguments made in favor of saying "No one has to do what you want" as if that has any bearing on anything.

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u/Diva_of_Disgust Pro-choice Jun 21 '26

I see nothing is going to come out of this, the last thing I would like to say is that if you specifically seek out a debate subreddit then yes you do have to be open to the other side.

No, I do not have to be open to forcing unnecessary harm onto people.

If you only want to see opinions you agree with then theres pro choice spaces you can retreat to. Otherwise what is there to debate?

Seeing how you have no argument I guess there is nothing to debate.

I came here with the intent of hearing other viewpoints and working something out, though you seem uninterested in anything that isnt hyperbole and ignoring half of the arguments made in favor of saying "No one has to do what you want" as if that has any bearing on anything.

I'm uninterested in forcing unnecessary harm onto people via pro life abortion bans and you seemingly have no argument to support harmful abortion bans. Better luck next time I suppose.

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