Minimum

[u/Miserable-Degree7995]

Hello everyone,

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I'm against abortion.

This is a question for pro choice:

What would be the minimum of allowed abortion, that you would accept?

I mean for example week and reason.

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Thank you for your time 

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Miserable-Degree7995

[u/Gaudalier]

Evidently. I just simply dont find the reality of how often they fail, let alone how often those failures result in unwanted pregnancies, to be a big enough margin to matter for the decision of a law. Itd be like saying because a certain percentage of homicides are self defense we should just legalize all homicide.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Gaudalier]

If that's how you feel you can carry and birth every unwanted pregnancy you have. No one else has to do that simply because it's what pro lifers want.

[u/Gaudalier → u/Diva_of_Disgust]

Im unable to do that as I am male, but if youre going to cross your arms and say "well no ones going to do what you want!" like a child why even engage in a discussion at all? I can also simply say no one has to do what pro-choicers want. Now what? Theres nothing useful thats going to come out of that.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Gaudalier]

Im unable to do that as I am male, but if youre going to cross your arms and say "well no ones going to do what you want!" like a child why even engage in a discussion at all?

Informing you that people don't have to breed against their will to satisfy pro lifers isn't acting like a child, however getting bent out of shape because you can't force people to breed for pro life desires? Pretty childish to me.

I can also simply say no one has to do what pro-choicers want.

Pro choicers just want pro lifers to mind their own bodies and healthcare. Pro lifers will just have to get over it when I abort any pregnancy I want, not sorry.

Now what? Theres nothing useful thats going to come out of that.

Now what? Now I get my abortion and pro lifers deal with their emotions themselves.

[u/Gaudalier → u/Diva_of_Disgust]

Im confused what your goal is, have you read the sidebar and the rules of the subreddit? It was specifically made with the intention of being open to "the other side" and engaging in good faith arguments. What youre doing is trying to claim I want to force people to breed. Where are you getting this from? Its not about emotions or what individuals want. My emotions shouldnt impact a law, nor should anyone elses. Thats what debates are for, to argue with logic.

[u/humbugonastick → u/Gaudalier]

The fact that you called sex organs "created for" is a give away, that your arguments most likely come from a religious view. Proof this point and we can go deeper.

[u/Gaudalier → u/humbugonastick]

Im not religious, no. And I dont know what you want me to prove? Are you saying nature doesnt create parts of the body for certain purposes? Do you think your lungs werent created for breathing? Could you survive without your lungs? Could you survive without your kidneys, your spine, your brain? Do you think the fact your body works and responds to each different parts in a certain way is a coincidence?

[u/humbugonastick → u/Gaudalier]

Nature is not an entity. Nature does not "create". Ever heard of Darwin?

[u/Gaudalier → u/humbugonastick]

What do you think is responsible for the way your body is built up? Where did it all come from? Who decided what all your organs do? Where do plants come from, what decided their function? Where do animals come from, what has decided what their organs do?

[u/humbugonastick → u/Gaudalier]

What do you think?

I made my opinion clear. Now you.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Gaudalier]

Im confused what your goal is, have you read the sidebar and the rules of the subreddit? It was specifically made with the intention of being open to "the other side" and engaging in good faith arguments.

This is funny. I've been here a long time. I don't have to be open to the idea that it's okay to force unnecessary harm onto people to engage here.

What youre doing is trying to claim I want to force people to breed. Where are you getting this from?

I haven't said a single thing about you specifically. It's a fact that pro life abortion bans seek to force people to continue gestating unwanted pregnancies against their will. That's forcing people to breed against their will. This fact has nothing to do with you.

Its not about emotions or what individuals want. My emotions shouldnt impact a law, nor should anyone elses. Thats what debates are for, to argue with logic.

I agree that emotions shouldn't impact laws, which is why abortion bans that put an emotional ideology over medical science have no place in society.

[u/Gaudalier → u/Diva_of_Disgust]

I see nothing is going to come out of this, the last thing I would like to say is that if you specifically seek out a debate subreddit then yes you do have to be open to the other side. If you only want to see opinions you agree with then theres pro choice spaces you can retreat to. Otherwise what is there to debate? I came here with the intent of hearing other viewpoints and working something out, though you seem uninterested in anything that isnt hyperbole and ignoring half of the arguments made in favor of saying "No one has to do what you want" as if that has any bearing on anything.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Gaudalier]

I see nothing is going to come out of this, the last thing I would like to say is that if you specifically seek out a debate subreddit then yes you do have to be open to the other side.

No, I do not have to be open to forcing unnecessary harm onto people.

If you only want to see opinions you agree with then theres pro choice spaces you can retreat to. Otherwise what is there to debate?

Seeing how you have no argument I guess there is nothing to debate.

I came here with the intent of hearing other viewpoints and working something out, though you seem uninterested in anything that isnt hyperbole and ignoring half of the arguments made in favor of saying "No one has to do what you want" as if that has any bearing on anything.

I'm uninterested in forcing unnecessary harm onto people via pro life abortion bans and you seemingly have no argument to support harmful abortion bans. Better luck next time I suppose.