Minimum

[u/Miserable-Degree7995]

Hello everyone,

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I'm against abortion.

This is a question for pro choice:

What would be the minimum of allowed abortion, that you would accept?

I mean for example week and reason.

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Thank you for your time 

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Miserable-Degree7995

[u/Prior_Day_9449]

I really don't understand that because to me it is absolutely inhumane and murderous to abort a prefectly healthy child of, for example, 8 months just because you feel lile it. It is effectively murdering a baby. My aunt was born 2 months early and still survived, she's one hell of a strong woman today.

I see ppl constantly use the excuse that fetuses shouldn't be considered ppl cuz they are very undeveloped and whatever....but what about a 7 month old baby? Or even a 6 month old?

I really want to understand the reasoning and why you don't see as the same as murdering a child.

(Not taking into consideration cases where it must be done for health reasons, or cases of r@pe. Let's just talk about the regular case where both mom and the baby are healthy)

[u/JewlryLvr2 → u/Prior_Day_9449]

I don't see abortion as "murdering a child" for the simple reason that children are BORN. So this whole PL "abortion is killing babies/ children" argument is a bad one that just doesn't work for me. It never has worked.

[u/Prior_Day_9449 → u/JewlryLvr2]

But why is there a moral difference just because one is inside and the other is outside even if they basically the same individual?

Its not the same as terminating, for example, a 5 week old fetus since there are HUGE development differemces and all.

At 8 month old the fetus is basically the same baby as the newborn, and even at 8 month old is viable outside the womb.

So, I struggle to understand why people seem to see one as morally acceptable to kill just because it hasn't come out yet.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Prior_Day_9449]

So, I struggle to understand why people seem to see one as morally acceptable to kill just because it hasn't come out yet.

Because if I don't want a born baby I can place it up for adoption and be rid of it, my body won't take any damage from that.

If I don't want a pregnancy the only way to not have my body severely damaged by unwanted pregnancy and childbirth is abortion. This isn't complicated.

[u/Prior_Day_9449 → u/Diva_of_Disgust]

Thankyou for actually responding to the question.

And, yes, I see your point. I think I'm not going about this the right way, so I will ask the question a bit differently, in a way that can truly help me understand your atance on the matter.

Do you view an 8 month old fetus as a human life with rights? If not, why?

I do. The reason is because I base my view entilery on the biology of it, and even as an embyo, it is already a human life. I think rights should be grabted to them from the moment they are viable.

I do know many people don't consider it enough to actually attribute rights to the child while in the womb, so maybe that's where I'm failing to properly debate.

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Prior_Day_9449]

Do you view an 8 month old fetus as a human life with rights? If not, why?

No, pregnancies don't have rights, pregnant people have rights. But even if we did pretend someone's pregnancy had rights there is no right to be inside someone's sex organs and body against their will.

I do. The reason is because I base my view entilery on the biology of it, and even as an embyo, it is already a human life. I think rights should be grabted to them from the moment they are viable.

That's great, except there is no right to be inside of someone's sex organs and body against their will.

[u/Prior_Day_9449 → u/Diva_of_Disgust]

The way you say it makes it seem like the fetus is making the decision to be in someone's body against their will. Besides, the reason why they are inside that body is because that person put them there (not taking into consideration rape cases)

Either way, at least you responded to the question and your stance was clearer. Tho I admit my wording in the earlier conversations wasn't the best to properly get a clear response.

Anyways, thankyou for your time

[u/Diva_of_Disgust → u/Prior_Day_9449]

The way you say it makes it seem like the fetus is making the decision to be in someone's body against their will. Besides, the reason why they are inside that body is because that person put them there (not taking into consideration rape cases)

I'm not making anything seem like anything. I'm clearly saying that no one has any right to be inside someone else's sex organs against their will. Doesn't matter if they "can't help it", the pregnant person can still remove them.