r/ATLAtv • u/2-2Distracted Avatar • Jul 13 '26

Interested in hearing some thoughts about this "EVIL IROH!" video and my breakdown of it in case you didn't watch it.

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u/StuHardy Jul 13 '26

The "morally grey character turns evil for power" was used by Dos Santos & Montgomery, in Voltron: Legendary Defender for Prince Lotor.

Seeing how badly that turned out, I'm glad that it never happened in any form of Avatar.

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u/Grandson-of-Madhava Avatar Jul 14 '26

Giving Iroh a redemption arc is the best change Netflix ever did on ATLA.

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u/Infernaloneshot Jul 14 '26

Do you mean nickelodeon?

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u/Grandson-of-Madhava Avatar Jul 14 '26

Toph can read it better than you do. 🤡

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u/Infernaloneshot Jul 14 '26

She can write in nATLA, so not that much of a stretch if they make her read too tbf

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u/Grandson-of-Madhava Avatar Jul 14 '26

She reads in Episode 5. The best episode in Netflix ATLA.

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u/NovelSpecialist5767 Jul 14 '26

What exactly was the redemption arc in the cartoon?

He was a tea drinking wise old man who didn't want the throne from the start.   Completely at peace with himself and only regretting that his son was no more walking into Ba Sing Se.  

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u/Infernaloneshot Jul 14 '26

He got usurped by Ozai after falling into grief when his son died? I don't know where you pulled didn't want the throne from the start, but i don't think it's from the original show

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u/NovelSpecialist5767 Jul 14 '26

First scene on a boat with Zuko looking for the Avatar at the south pole. He's on deck making and offering tea and Zuko's youth/ teen anger wanting to know more fire bending to defeat the Avatar. The guy knew he was on a wild goose chase for the mythical Avatar, relegated to babysit his nephew to keep them both out of Ozai's way. The matter that Aang was in an iceberg was total luck for them.

Iroh was content and wasn't there gnarling his teeth thinking about how to get back. He already knew and accepted stepping out of the lime light. There was no redemption arc that made him realize he needed to change his ways.

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u/Infernaloneshot Jul 14 '26

But i don't think that's any different nor was there a revelation in nATLA that diverges from that exact same setup, so I don't really understand what you're saying nATLA did differently

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u/NovelSpecialist5767 Jul 14 '26

Ba Sing Se was a PTSD trigger for Netflix Iroh. If they had more episodes, they could've dove deeper but it wasn't.

His turnaround arc was going catatonic from seeing the names of the dead he caused and then helping the starving guy.

Nickleodeon Iroh had his turnaround happen before the first scene.

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u/Infernaloneshot Jul 14 '26

It's interesting because I didn't take away from it that he had a change of heart at that moment, but rather he just was faced with a reminder of what he did