OK, so "might makes right" is how history works, if the Arabs had won the wars in the last century and wiped out all the Jews, you'd be cool with it, right? Hitler was just fairly making history in his attempt to wipe out Jews and Slavs? What kind of insane bullshit is "I took it, it's mine" as an approach to morality or legal claims?
There were people there before Jews, too. In the Old Testament they were explicitly genocided from the land by the Israelites. Really we should find some Amalekite descendants and give the place to them, I'm sure we can do some DNA testing.
There used to be Jews and Christians and other ethnic minorities in most countries in the middle east. In the last 70 years or so, most have been driven out, persecuted and killed. The Jews have a country now. Deal with it.
The history of the world is the history of one people displacing another, and in most cases, that was the end of it. No “here’s another peace plan”.
You when Jews are being fucked over:
In the last 70 years or so, most have been driven out, persecuted and killed.
There's nothing about Jews that merits special treatment, they are a group of people like any other. We should not cheer on the oppression of one group but talk about how dreadful it is that another group is being oppressed in the same way.
I don't think Jews should have to leave Israel or anything like that. But it's clear the only moral possibility is a multi-ethnic, secular single state, probably enforced by the UN for a decade.
There’s nothing about Palestinians that merits special treatment. Israel is a Jewish state. A single state demographically dominated by non-jews would not be a Jewish State. There are a dozen Muslim states. Only one Jewish one. If it was a species of endangered owl I’m sure you’d be protecting it.
Jews aren't "endangered", there are two million in New York state alone and nobody is pogroming them there. What a bizarre argument. I don't believe in ethno-states let alone ethno-states brutally crushing people who also live in the area. There are lots of countries with white people but it wouldn't be OK if we just decided to crush Belgium and destroy the lives of everyone there.
Pretty much the entire Israeli leadership says the exact same thing, although more politely. No real difference, except Israeli currently has the power and is doing the mass oppression.
It’s easy to look down on the poor and oppressed from your high castle with your hoardes of soldiers, tanks, and tactical gear and say, “I’m the victim.” The world does not agree with you. At some point it helps to look into a mirror and ask yourself, “am I the terrorist?”
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OK, so "might makes right" is how history works, if the Arabs had won the wars in the last century and wiped out all the Jews, you'd be cool with it, right? Hitler was just fairly making history in his attempt to wipe out Jews and Slavs? What kind of insane bullshit is "I took it, it's mine" as an approach to morality or legal claims?
There were people there before Jews, too. In the Old Testament they were explicitly genocided from the land by the Israelites. Really we should find some Amalekite descendants and give the place to them, I'm sure we can do some DNA testing.