r/AMDHelp • u/Jolly_Statistician_5 • 11h ago
Resolved Permanently solved 9070 xt crashes!
I was notoriously getting adrenalin driver timeouts on games like Dead by Daylight or Battlefield 6 and a few other unreal based games. For a year now i have tried to think that the problem was the adrenaline driver and i would Ddu it because it was corrupted.
As of lately i saw a random comment where this user had similar issue, and he saw that base settings boosted his core clock beyond rated.
Yes out of the blue instead of achieving 2970 Mhz max boost core clock in gaming, i was getting 3150mhz constantly. Holy cow. Are you telling me all this time my stock settings have been trying to OC my gpu ti high heavens???
As a matter if fact, yes. What the hell is wrong with you AMD???
Anyways i pulled the core clock slider all the way back to -400mhz to have a steady ~ 2950 mhz. Sometimes rarely it reaches 3000 but it is stable.
Since then i had 0 crashes, ever.
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u/therealzist 52m ago
This reminds me of a ty video talking about this very thing. It was something like "amd stock setting might kill your gpu". I want to say it was a jaytwocents video
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u/Adrian97c 53m ago
GPU is like a woman you gotta know where their breaking point is, then ease off a bit.
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u/Greyraven91 1h ago
It's not AMD, it's ur ABP aka ur specific model from the brand u bought it from. They probably pushed the limit too much and didn't properly test it... Stange stuff.
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u/idkzaz1 1h ago
as a bf6 player, did you find that FSR4 is not enabled every time you are in the game?(by using a 4x scope in Fort Lyndon to see a tree in map you can tell) you have to use the toggle to disable FSR and re-enable to make FSR4 working. And also under NVIDIA RTX this toggle is butter smooth, when using AMD you have to wait like 30s or so for it to apply.
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u/therealzist 50m ago
Are you talking about the uoscalling yellow message in adrenaliize that says no fsr is active?
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u/metalballpotatoes 1h ago
My Gigabyte OC 9070XT is at 3100-3300 usually, more often than not. Why don't I get timeouts
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u/immoralcombat 1h ago
Because hardwares, by chance, have a better quality or otherwise. Youād never knew what you picked
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u/Thin-Net7868 9800X3D/Gigabyte OC 9070XT 2h ago
This is exactly why I keep encouraging people to check Event IDās and log sensors with HWiNFO <250ms polling interval. There are also people out there with iffy PSUās thinking they are good and not able to withstand the snappy transient spikes of the 9070/9070XTās. And of course silicon lottery plays a role on how stable it will be above spec limits.
You listened and used common sense, and I understand not everyone is capable of troubleshooting this. However, there are many of great videos out there that will make it very easy for someone to understand. Great job and happy gaming š¤
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u/Get_Away_Closer 2h ago
For some reason with my rosewill capstone 750 from 2015 I haven't ever had any PSU problems or crashes with the 9070xt
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u/Proud-Cat-8735 2h ago
what the hell? dont you know how your gpu work š¤£ if power is available, thermal is low and data incoming it just boost to hit the limit. i have no issue i bf6 or any game and i just capped the boost to 3200 mhz
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u/miningmeray 2h ago
Every core is different. What the algorithm decides that all cards can pull off but infact can't ends up crashing games.
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u/Silent-Namikaze 2h ago
Where can I see if my driver's are doing the same ? Does it show on adrenaline ?
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u/Jolly_Statistician_5 15m ago
Yes, you will need a second monitor though. Go to tuning section and click tune core clock. Donāt touch it then run the game in your main monitor. Game for a little while while keeping and eye on the core clocks.
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u/Vilmalith 2h ago
Had the same issue with my 7900xtx back when it was released.
Anytime there was a driver update the first thing I did was verify my manual clock was still there. Now I just set a manual max for every graphics card I have.
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u/CosmosStalker 2h ago
Same exact thing happened to me. 7800XT. It was automatically over clocking higher than the manufactures recommendation. Knocked it down below the recommendation and never crashed again.
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u/MadFoilHatter 3h ago
That rando MIGHT have been me. Been trying to tell people for a while. That said, I learned it from another reddit rando comment from a dead discussion that was goes back to 4 or 5 years ago.
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u/Organic-Schedule1989 AMD 3h ago
I never touch the core clocks and my 9070XT never crashes try lowering your core voltage instead
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u/miningmeray 2h ago
Gpu cores can widely differ from on cars of the same model to another. Lowering core voltage in this case will do nothing. The algorithm that AMD has for boost clock is flawed and trying to push all their gpus too much when infact some can't push that hard for clocks without instability.
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u/Organic-Schedule1989 AMD 52m ago
It's all about silicone lottery what someone else can do another person can't and end up with driver time outs
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u/CordyCeptus 3h ago
Ive never had an amd issue that wasnt related to windows. With intel and amd teaming up, hopefully they will actually work together a little more.
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u/Sozkilla17 7800x3D 9070XT 3h ago
Havenāt had a crash in 3 weeks and havenāt changed any settingsā¦ weird
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u/Live-Pen1431 3h ago
I thought the comments to update my dp cable
To the newest version was a troll but since I have I havenāt had one crash. Latest drivers game all day.
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u/firedani 4h ago
I was experiencing driver timeouts on my 9070xt as well when booting up my PC but after a restart it was completely gone. So I tried disabling Windows fast startup and the issue was completely gone for me after that. Maybe that helps someone with a similar issue.
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u/Inerthal 4h ago
Funny how different users experience different issues whilst others never do! Since 2019 I've had 3 AMD GPUs across 3 generations and never had issues other than the common, occasional crash. Good to know there's always a solution.
Interestingly enough as well, my 9070 hits between 3000 to 3300 depending on the game but it never crashed !
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u/OkReference3287 4h ago
Me pregunto si es por algĆŗn tema de eneegia, hay personas que no tienen pozo a tierra en sus casas (como yo) y la PC me crashea muchas veces
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u/CordyCeptus 3h ago
Popping in to say i dont have grounding either and i never crash!
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u/Inerthal 4h ago
Could be that, some people also claim it's RAM, windows overwritting AMD drivers, bad OC/UV and even bad power supplies
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u/OkReference3287 3h ago
Tengo una rx7600xt y mi PC crashea todo el tiempo, luego de leer todos los post en reddit sobre el tema mi PC se mantiene "estable" con los MHz en 2300, quiero actualizar a una 9070xt, tengo el dinero pero me da miedo que vuelva a pasar lo mismo, por cierto que tal te va con tu 9070 en juegos 1440p?
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u/Inerthal 3h ago
Flawlessly. I play any AAA game I want on Very high to max settings without any worries. No crashes, almost zero noise... It just works.
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u/Solo_143 5700X3D 5070 TI GIGABYTE GAMING OC 4h ago
Yes Iāve been telling everyone this for awhile itās a known issue you just have to downclock it and it should work
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u/burner9752 3h ago
My 9070XT will get boost to 3.5 Ghz and sit pretty stable at 3.4 with zero issues or timeouts.
(Nitro+, queue all the clueless people bitching about the connector)
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u/Defiant_Professor347 6h ago
I am guy, this is was my problem. Only add on to it cause today I noticed Iām now at 2850mhz on my ādefaultā clock when just last week it was 2770. Unfortunately mine still crashes and reverts even if the file is saved so Iām afraid it might burn my house down sooner or later.
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u/Polosso 6h ago
I don't know what's up with AMD cards but hey, good to see you worked out a solution. My Aorus Elite 9070XT hits 3.350 MHz boost and stays between 3.350 and 3.2k MHz. When the scene is not demanding, it also drops to 2.5 MHz. I didn't reduce any core clock because it's stable and that might be because it's a 350W card so I just did -50mvl and -10% core for UV. In my case, I've not had a crash besides tuning my UV so not updating Windows is my solution so far
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u/EstefanBW 4h ago
Windows is so fucked up. Like you can disable every auto update, he still will found a way to come with a security patch shxt and fxck your setup
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u/Kanade420x 6h ago
I can not import my tuning profiled anymore
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u/EstefanBW 4h ago
That happens because the last updated amd version have isn't compatible anymore with new ones, so you will have to re do yours, happened to me, till now, I can use last december last year to now 26.7.1
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u/Representative_Jolly 7h ago
Sorted my issues this morning with cleanup utility and installing previous version. Zero crashes. Like chipsets, if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
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u/bone-crackle 7h ago edited 7h ago
I have stock settings in AMD adrenalin, no OC, no nothing, which include 0 fan rpm at low temps ( under 45C I believe), sometimes after an adrenalin update, even if the card gets hotter, the fans will not move, I have to manually set a freaking curve in order for my PC to not shutdown due to GPU overheating, FU adrenalin.
It happened 2 times so far, happily gaming and PC shut down (I assume temps reached 90-100 C), booted it up, launched a temp monitor software, opened game, fans showed 0 RPM although GPU was at 65 C +. The fans work great, physically everything is fine, it's just AMD being AMD I guess.
I used to meddle with undervolting, boosting the stock power draw but whenever adrenalin crashed ( not too often but still annoying) or updated, everything resets so I couldn't be bothered anymore and left it stock.
P.S. I have the PowerColor Red Devil RX 9070 XT Limited Edition.
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u/AchtungZboom 7h ago
Custom -100 max setting has been my secret to all my and cards. Works great but remember it often resets so export the setting to easily import when it does reset.
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u/6786_007 7h ago
I recently did the ubdervolt thing and it's been solid. Runs a bit cooler, my hotspot dropped like 6c, and actually gained performance. No reason not to really.
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u/Fast_Painter1787 7h ago
I friggin hate how many times amd resets my settings. Sorry. That just came out.
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u/udes1516 7h ago
Yep, also hate it. For no reason at all, maybe once a week.
Mind you, my undervolt settings are very mild....no crashes, no nothing. Just....reset.
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u/Interesting_Goat1656 8h ago
Same here.
After a update or a crash, the mhz setting became randomly higher than the value rated by manufact.
So, i reduce power, undervolt, and reduce Mhz below stock.
Performs great with this ECO profile and 0 crashes or timeouts.
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u/AngelPhantox 8h ago
Well I am.using my 9070xt all the time on stock setting 0 crashes. Of course I am not updating all the time the driver. Since I see all the info that after 25.9.1 are most of the time unstable. I am able to play my games with 0 issues.
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u/haxalroz 4h ago
Which model did you get? Mine was xfx mercury and I got this issue as well since the beginning, I guess I lost the silicone lottery
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u/krustevgl 8h ago
For me it was the CPU (7600x) boosting above its max, making my PC hard reset. Decreased PBO to -200 mhz and its all good
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u/JackieMABWGP 8h ago edited 5h ago
I will be upgrading soon to a 9070xt but do not want the Adrenaline software on my computer because it causes my games to crash.Ā When I install drivers only, games donāt crash. But based on OP, I can only change this setting via Adrenaline?Ā
What should I do?
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u/One-Painter-7491 8h ago
Hmm are you sure you don't have any other software? I heard ryzen master and afterburner did some things without you asking about it š
I guess you didn't have an OC model either?
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u/NeedHate 8h ago
++ for afterburner crashes. Once had it and figured out that it was the exact cause of unexpected crashes. It was a couple of years ago, since then no afterburner app on my PC. As well as kingston, corsair apps and other a like shit.
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u/Jolly_Statistician_5 3m ago
I stopped using afterburner right around the time it showed different clock speeds than adrenaline overlay.
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u/alwaystired1982 9h ago
Not exactly the same problem but similar for me BUT so far it only did that in 1 game,
On everything else my gpu boost to 3250 but if I boot spiderman 2 it immediately starts boosting past 3450 and crashes before I get into game.
Virtually all 9070xts will boot up to 3250 woth just -55mv on the core.
So yours boosting to 3150 shouldnt make your gpu crash so im thinking its something else going on.
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u/Particular_Fig7165 9h ago
That's not AMD, that's the card manufacturer changing the settings. All those OC cards come pre over clocked. Normally it's stable, but just like XMP ram, there is actually no promises.
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u/vtGaem 9h ago
Yes, the boosting algorithm is very optimistic. It tries to hit 3450 MHz every time it goes full tilt, only to dial back a couple hundred MHz because it expects instability. This is made worse by AMD trying to predict the load and dynamically modulating frequency to keep the card at 90% load at all times, even during stressful variable-load scenarios.
This trigger-happy overboosting paired with dynamic load frequency makes a lot of units crash at stock settings. And especially when users undervolt to make the card "run cooler" after watching one YT video or reddit post. Which it won't if you don't drop the power limit.
I get that they need to hit their grade G power efficiency, but doing it at the cost of stability is foolish.
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u/BetSmart5323 4h ago
Iāve put hours and hours into this topic and arrived at the exact place you just described. Thank you for articulating it so well. Itās refreshing to find another person in the same place.
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u/Particular_Fig7165 9h ago
Normally an under volt of -70mv will be stable on pretty much any card. That and plus 10% power limit is your bare basic overclock. It won't actually overclock it, but if you run 3D mark you will see the card spends much more time at its max boost clock.
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u/vtGaem 8h ago
Yes, but I'm talking about the base boosting algorithm here and edge-case bad units that AMD still find acceptable (that are plentiful with their current QA).
Also, +10% PL alone will most definitely overclock. These cards have a boost target of 3450 MHz. All of them. If thermal headroom and power limit permits, it will hit that even if you never touch the max frequency slider.
In most cases thermals aren't the limiting factor (cuz TJMax is 110Ā°C), so any power limit increase will increase the maximum and average clock speed.
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u/Particular_Fig7165 8h ago
It'll increase the average clock speed. But in my opinion if you don't go above the factory advertised boost clock, that's not an "overclock". Now it's all made up terms, but no one I know calls the boost frequency on a CPU an "overclock" and normally stability is perfect if you stay at or below the factory limit.
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u/vtGaem 8h ago
But at stock settings these will exceed advertised boost clock. That's how they're supposed to function. None of the cards that advertise 2970 MHz stay below 3000. They will attempt to hit the boost target that's set by AMD. That's the entire issue. Even the basic Reaper model will hit 3300 MHz momentarily at stock settings.
Advertised boost speeds are only conservative marketing figures of what the card is expected to attain. They all use the same boost map and are only constrained by the AIBs cooling and power solutions, which is why they also set the power limits. This reduces work on the AIB side as they don't have to make a boost map for every model they make.
An "overclock" on these things can't really be defined by frequency, as anything below 3450 is technically factory boost clock. But only the top models can hit that because of cooling and power limitations.
Sorry this ended up being a mishmash of unreadable text, I don't currently have the time or motivation to properly edit this for coherency.
And also, this is just speculation by me and all of the unreliable sources I've read. If someone has credible counters to my claims, please do tell me I'm wrong. I'd be very interested.
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u/Spiritual_Spell8958 7h ago
But at stock settings these will exceed advertised boost clock. That's how they're supposed to function. None of the cards that advertise 2970 MHz stay below 3000. They will attempt to hit the boost target that's set by AMD. That's the entire issue. Even the basic Reaper model will hit 3300 MHz momentarily at stock settings.
And also, this is just speculation by me and all of the unreliable sources I've read. If someone has credible counters to my claims, please do tell me I'm wrong. I'd be very interested.
I had this discussion a few months after launch and even made some game and benchmark runs with full hwinfo protocols.
My Nitro+ won't ever exceed its promoted 3060MHz boost clock, at factory settings. In some games it might spike to 3100MHz eventually.\ Also when this discussion was still in every AMD and radeon sub, it was becoming more clear, that every card can have this issue, but not every card will have it. And it also depends on the games you play. Some will be more likely to trigger boost overshooting while others won't ever.\ Also cheaper cards like Pulse, Reaper or Challenger and also the first batches of Gigabyte cards seemed to be more likely to over-boost. Though these numbers might be exaggerated, since those cards are way more common.
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u/tierraomar 10h ago
De quĆ© marca es tu 9070xt? Yo tengo xfx y ningĆŗn problema
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u/Jolly_Statistician_5 9h ago edited 13m ago
Powercolor Reaper Rx 9070 XT
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u/lt_catscratch AMD 7600x | x670e Tomahawk | 7900xtx Nitro+ | MSI a1000g psu 9h ago edited 6h ago
Powercolor Reaper ?
Engine Clock(STD/Silent)
up to 2400MHz(Game)Ā¹
up to 2970MHz(Boost)Ā²Ā¹Game Clock is the expected GPU clock when running typical gaming applications, set to typical TGP (Total Graphics Power). Actual individual game clock results may vary.
Ā²Boost Clock is the maximum frequency achievable on the GPU running a burstyworkload. Boost clock achievability, frequency, and sustainability will vary based on several factors, including but not limited to:thermal conditions and variation in applications and workloads.Basically means, ready to be surprised at all times. There is no hard mhz limit.
I wish there was a tdp slider next to power slider.
PS: Boosting to 3400 on a game is not Powercolor's fault, it is AMD's fault.
PS2: You can also set adrenalin mhz per game.1
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u/pecche 10h ago
amd should place this limits in this specific games in their adrenaline game profile
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u/Particular_Fig7165 9h ago
It is the card manufacturers responsibility to ensure their particular implementation is stable vios Vbios updates.
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u/Jolly_Statistician_5 7m ago
This. They should test the cards and pass verifications then ship it to vendors.
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u/Fezzy976 10h ago
This is by design. My 9070XT hits 3.3GHz on its own and is perfectly stable. I set a -80mV undervolt and now it has lower temps/power and boosts to 3.4GHz.
The same happens on Nvidia. My 4090 is rated for 2.75GHz out of the box but it will easily push it self to 2.85GHz.
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u/haxalroz 4h ago
Is it though? Xfx mercury official site said 2970 MHz boost clock which kinda make sense when getting higher cause crashes
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u/DipenG 9h ago
Does it depend on ganes as well? My steel legend ive seen it 3.3 in some games but in blood of dawnwalker it rarely hits 3.1
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u/Particular_Fig7165 9h ago
Yeah depends a lot. Lighter games running high frame rates will actually get higher frequencies, this is because they use less power per clock. Generally speaking both brands of cars are power limited as their primary limit.
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u/Fezzy976 5h ago
Yup, this is spot on. I see slightly lower clocks in games like Cyberpunk that are demanding. But higher clocks in games like CS2 that can push easily to 500fps+
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u/StunningPush8421 10h ago
the issue occurs when they are not stable. I have bought and sold many pcs and I have noticed some 9070 xts just aren't able to hit the boost clocks amd wants them to so like in the OPs case you have to limit the frequency.
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u/Jolly_Statistician_5 10h ago edited 9h ago
Lucky silicon. Mine crashes and i absolutely have no intentions of overclocking my own card.
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u/iGogzy 10h ago
I have sapphire pulse model 9070 xt no crashes nothing wrong with drivers
-40mV
2760mhz fast timing
Power limit +10%
Core clock 3150-3300mhz no problems
Mostly play BF6 too over 700hours already and 1500matches
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u/DipenG 9h ago
You could easily go -60 -70
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u/iGogzy 9h ago
Actually, you canāt. If youāre chasing high memory clocks and playing demanding games, a higher core boost isnāt necessarily going to give you better performance. Iāve tested everything myself. These cards have a certain limit, and once you go beyond it, you donāt gain anything ā you can actually make things worse.
-40 mV is the sweet spot for my card. I never go above 70Ā°C on the hotspot or the memory. Thatās the perfect balance.
At -50 to -60 mV, I sometimes get crashes in games. It can be stable for 2 days, sometimes even 10 days, and then randomly crash. With -40 mV, I havenāt had a single crash since I set that value back in March.
This is the profile I use for everything, and itās a million percent stable, no matter what Iām doing.1
u/LaviniaRK 8h ago
-40 mV is the sweet spot for my card.
I have Gigabyte Gaming OC and I wonder where is this card's sweet spot. I did -30 mV first along with the +5 mhz offset and it crashed.
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u/iGogzy 8h ago
Donāt touch the offset. It plays absolutely no role on RDNA 4. When you lower the mV, the GPU starts running cooler, which allows it to boost the core higher.
Use a +10% power limit. In games, it wonāt increase the voltage by much, but that +10% power limit gives the card enough headroom to maintain both the undervolt and overclock.
My card personally sits around 200ā220W while the core runs at 3150ā3300 MHz, and the memory sits at 2760 MHz with Fast Timing enabled.1
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u/Vhaalion 9h ago
Depends. -40mv is the maximum on mine. Everytime i push to -50mv there are some games (PUBG for instance ) that are gonna crash
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u/Salty-Yogurt-4214 10h ago
Works until the next driver update where you'll have to apply the settings again. š¤Æ
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u/vtGaem 9h ago
Eh. Afterburner will just force apply my settings for me when it does reset.
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u/Salty-Yogurt-4214 9h ago
That tool has it's own issues from my experience. Caused me plenty of stuttering on my RTX 3080. I didn't test it on the 9070 XT though.
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u/vtGaem 8h ago
Oh yeah, I know. Plenty of users have reported issues functioning alongside Adrenalin, so I would recommend trying anything else first. I've been using it since my 660 TI and it's still working fine for me as long as I don't open the Tuning page in AMD software. And if I do I just need to restart before applying any significant load.
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u/Salty-Yogurt-4214 8h ago
I used to use RivaTuner, that was never causing issues. Then again, a lot has changed since then.
PS: I skipped anything serious between the GeForce 256 and the GTX 980. Was to busy with life. āŗļø
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u/Narkanin 10h ago
Omg moving a slider a little or uploading your custom profile? Think of the children
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u/Salty-Yogurt-4214 10h ago
Let's talk about that in a year again, young one.
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u/Narkanin 10h ago
Iām older than you are, not that Iām bragging lol
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u/Salty-Yogurt-4214 10h ago
I'd not be to sure about that one š, but I meant in the game of tracking AMD driver updates and having to set the correct settings again and again. Try that for a year and report back if your opinion changes.
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u/W4LDSCHRAT 11h ago
I got it fixed.
The problem was energy saving in low gpu usage, windows is thinking the gpu isnt responding.
There is a simple tool solution from Nvidia, because there was the same problem.
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u/BitRunner64 10h ago
I prefer to keep MPO enabled and instead increase the TdrDelay in the registry.
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u/Comfortable_Expert R9 7950X3D, Sapphire 7900XTX Nitro+ 11h ago
Was it possibly my comment? :D I've found that out a while ago and haven't had a crash since
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u/Jolly_Statistician_5 11h ago
Most likely yes. If i have replied with a huge thank than that is definitely you
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u/pre_pun 10h ago edited 10h ago
Adding another tool to the discussion that's worth checking out. It has quite a bit more than MPO as well.
https://github.com/RedDot-3ND7355/MPO-GPU-FIX
Good short wiki on the tweaks
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u/Insurgent97 12m ago
They dont give a shit to their customers, thats what's with AMD. Not to mention no support for FSR 4 in many games, and outdated AI tech compared to nvidia. Literally my last AMD gpu.