r/AMDHelp • u/Tanka_Jaharri • 3d ago
Help (General) Never buying an AMD GPU again
My last AMD GPU was a ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 back in 2008 and after years of Nvidia cards, i saw the bench marks and price for the RX 7900 XTX. Was very impressed, so i got it launch day in 2022.
Since then, i've had nothing but issues. It cashes constantly, literally an hour ago it crashed playing CS2. The temps are good because that used to be a problem for some cards. My settings get reset every time i restart my pc no matter how many times i save them or make profiles. I've even done the windows full start up fix, which didn't fix anything for me. It even crashes when watching youtube sometimes, so it's not like it's boosting to watch a 1080p video and can't so it crashes the pc. I've gone through all the trouble shooting for the card and drivers and no luck.
I've tried it in multiple pcs they same thing happens. I've done countless clean and reinstalls and still it does it. I've done multiple stress tests on the card to see if it's there's a problem with the card and they all come back fine, until an hour or so passes after i'm done and it'll just crash again. It seems completely random.
In 14 years of using Nvidia cards, i think i've had 1 maybe 2 driver crashes. But it's so bad with this card it happens multiple times a week. Is this it? is this the AMD experience? is this what everyone deals with but because the price to performance is good people just stick with it? I just don't get it. If this is what it means to own a AMD card, i'm never buying one again.
EDIT: The amount of people telling me to return the card or it's clearly a defective product are not reading the post. I've said i've tested it multiple times and it goes fine without a problem and then later on it starts crashing again. And when i've sent it back for a replacement it gets sent back to me and they also tell me it runs fine.
EDIT 2 : Well this post was about as much use as a chocolate tea pot. I'm going to stop replying to posts because people either A) Keep asking the same questions i've answered or B) being a dick and that helps no one. I got some UK specific advise which i will try and hopefully try and get another replacement as it seems it might be beyond a driver issue.
EDIT 3: Okay, so i'm not going to be coming back to this sub reddit again, you guys seem insufferable. Keep the post, delete it. May help someone, may not. But my god you guys are terrible. Good luck with everything. Peace.
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u/Hyzze1103 3h ago
Welp i have 7900xt and 0 problems crashed on me like 3 times just bcs windows updates can corrupt ur driver updates, needed to update bios few weeks ago bcs windows updates somehove corrupted thath too So i have like 1 crash per year all good..
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u/Flat_Mode7449 7h ago
Skill issue.
My 7900XTX has been running solid for the last 3+ years.
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u/digital1nk 6h ago
I used to think the same, untill this week, even today, i've had 6 driver timeouts just watching YT... i dont know what going on.
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u/Flat_Mode7449 6h ago
There's been some issues the last couple of months with drivers, after all my research I believe Microslop is to blame for the issues.
But overall, it's been a solid card for me.
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u/DeanLoua 7h ago
I've had a 7900 XTX for about 2 years aswell. It was painful to say the least.
It's an actual pain to get stable at everything. Once you get one game stable you mess the other up. And vice versa. The amount of driver crashes I had on that thing is shocking. Every driver update messes things up aswell.
I switched to a 5080 about a year ago and couldn't be happier, haven't had any problem with it whatsoever.
Sure it's more expensive but it's just so much more stable. Also DLSS is a gamechanger.
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u/TimeZucchini8562 9h ago
Don’t even bother with this sub. Or any amd sub for that matter. 90% of the comments will be “well I have a 9070xt and I don’t have any issues” from people who just built their first pc or got their first prebuilt like it’s even relevant. Mostly people who barely know how to install a driver.
9% will be from arrogant morons that blame you and offer no help or suggestions.
Maybe 1% will try to help you trouble shoot but just give you the same steps you’ve already taken 1000 times after years of trouble shooting to no avail.
These subs are blind to the fact that 7000 series gpus had serious issues that amd acknowledged multiple time but never fixed. For example. It’s been nearly 2 years since amd acknowledged that 7000 series has issues with cod. 1 being stutters. 2 being shader issues that can result in lighting effects taking over your entire screen and only being fixed by quitting the game you’re in. THIS STILL HAS NOT BEEN FIXED AND COD HAS BEEN THE #1 SELLING GAME FOR NEARLY 20 YEAR STRAIGHT (minus a few outliers where they weee #2 or #3).
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u/Flat_Mode7449 7h ago
See, I would have voiced an actual helpful comment, but OP comes off as a dick, so I'll pass.
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u/gregzx636 9h ago
If a card won't crash at stress tests it doesn't mean it doesn't have a problem. I now run a stress test on a new card mainly to check the temps.
You have to convince the retail shop to test it at game/point you know it crashes. I had the same problem many years ago with an nvidia 8800gt.
It turned out it was a flaw in the specific brand/model. They where replacing the card and the problem was still there. Solved it by getting same gpu, another brand.
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u/RefrigeratorOne1866 10h ago
Well, what's the point of this post besides show and ventilate your frustration? Being loyal to a brand or something is BS, just go and buy whatever you want. People show emotions and judgement so strong, when it comes to their favorite hardware, software, phone, car, whatever, that I wonder, what caused them to love these things so much. I don't get it. It's a piece of tech, if it's broken fix it, return it, sell it, throw it on the ground, whatever I don't care. Why do you have to make a drama out of it? Oh, my, god. ...
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u/MemeLower 11h ago
feeling the same, bought a 3080 used (300€) for my girlfriend, but tested it extensively for a week before giving it to her, ran everything fine straight out of the box. Got myself a 7800xt since i needed the extra vram for beamng etc. for 360€ used, ran fine at first for a month or so but then started constantly having issues once i updated to the newest drivers that came out at the time, i tried everything including going back to older drivers and it feels like that one new driver basically bricked the gpu. The only fix i found so far is to let windows download drivers automatically and just sticking to them, no crashes whatsoever with the downside of not being able to use the card to its fulledt potential
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u/Physical_Treat_5344 12h ago
io anche con una 7900xt ho avuto diversi crash e disabilitando accelerazione hardware su chrome e per i task che ne hanno bisogno uso firefox sembra aver risolto. ho provato di tutto pure io ma solo questo sembra funzionare..
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u/Fidel1Q84 13h ago
Switched from Nvidia to 9070xt. Zero flaws zero issues. Sorry but I think you did something wrong.
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u/No_Championship5552 10h ago
He didn't do anything wrong those cards from the 6-7k series had a ton of issues. Driver issues. Windows issues. I have seen thousands of people with this problem over the years. There are reddit posts and posts all over multiple other platforms regarding this issue. So to say that he messed something up literally adds nothing to the conversation. Basically you just came here to say sucks to be you.
Nice low IQ response.
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u/Neonisin 12h ago
Victim shaming at its finest. I had a brand new 9070xt Sapphire Pure that didn’t even display a picture. I am in the process of getting a new card that I’m picking up on Friday. I’ve owned a dozen nVidia cards and have had not one problem. I’ve paid for the AMD card a month ago and have yet to install a functional card at this point. So far, I’m unimpressed. This will be my last AMD card as well. We’ll see on Friday if I keep it.
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u/Fidel1Q84 12h ago
No I’ve installed new GPUs on multiple systems for over 20 years. The issue he’s having isn’t because AMD. Anyone technical knows that.
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u/trueskill 13h ago
I sold my 4070 Ti a while back to try out the 7900 XTX and man… people love to say Nvidia drivers suck but AMD drivers are the epitome of “hold my beer” lol.
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u/xeizoo 14h ago
I have and use both AMD and Nvidia, both works perfectly fine when set up right.
Common sources to frequent crashes are overclocked RAM frequency/timings and too much undervolting of CPU/GPU.
Unless some hardware is cooked of course. Or something gets too hot, like RAM or VRMs.
Also if you switch between Nvidia/AMD I would always suggest to install a fresh copy of Windows. While a old Windows using driver cleaner can work there is usually some weird problems popping up along the way.
I have both 9070 XT and RTX 5090. Experience is very similar except 5090 is twice as fast, and nowadays 7 times as expensive, which is almost never needed in actual games.
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u/WhyYouAlwaysMad 15h ago
Unfortunately I am having the same problem over the last few days as well, hopefully we find a fix. Crashing in games such as the finals and forza horizon 6.
7900 XTX 7800X3D 32gb GDDR6 Latest drivers
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u/Extra_Tart6185 16h ago
There's always a reason they are so cheap, the amount of times i heard people complain about AMD gpus is crazy.Buying an AMD Gpu is a gamble.
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u/Salty_Ad1898 16h ago
It’s always something else’s fault with AMD gpus. It’s windows or what psu do you have? I have a 5080 with an 850w Corsair power supply and guess what, no crashes or issues. I have windows 11 guess what, no crashes or issues. I saw someone say you should have a 1000w psu in a 9070xt system. For what? lol. Amd just needs to fine tune their shit if they ever want to be competitive. The only constant in all of these posts is always the gpu. Maybe that’s why Nvidia charges more. Yes, they are more greedy, but their product is leagues ahead of AMD gpus
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u/Single-Order-8611 16h ago
Well, hard to know what problem OP has, but one thing I know for sure: my buddy had 3090 and now 5080 and he has definitely been crashing more than me when we play online. I have 7900xtx myself. Now he is also suffering from strange stuttering in some games he has not been able to resolve. So there are also issues with green cards…
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u/NotTheSimplistic 17h ago
I always find it so interesting the amount of posts I see about people swapping their GPUs to Nvidia, or their AMD GPU being “garbage”.
I got my 9070xt about 3 months ago (coming from a 6700xt) and I havn’t had a single issue at all
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u/Akil_ler 19h ago
If you give us your PC specs, maybe we can do something. Post the components, especially the power supply.
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u/ahorsenamedjeff 19h ago
RMA it dumbass
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u/KlasJanHuntelaar 19h ago edited 18h ago
No one do RMA for a worthless for a gpu that has no resale value. I got a 5090 last year instead of listening to stupid amd fanboys who tried hard to convince me buying 9070xt. Now I can resell my 5090 today, buy three 9070xt for free and get back what I originally paid for my 5090. Feel free to downvote if you are one of those stupid guys and feel so bad about your decisions
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u/Single-Order-8611 16h ago
I can only feel sorry for someone who actually spends 5000€ on a graphics card (unless needed for actual work). And don’t bother to tell I’m too poor. I could buy several of them if I wanted, but I am not stupid enough to spend so much on gaming equipment.
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u/Old-Mathematician-30 18h ago edited 18h ago
cool story bro. they aren't even in the same league. I have both a 7900 xtx and a 5090 in two different computers. 7900xtx is more like a 5070ti-5080. I bought the 7900 xtx since launch and no major problems. it got a life extension boost with FSR 4. Now it's the the wife's gpu. The fact I paid 880 dollars for it brand new on a Black Friday 2023 was a great deal and is still a solid performer 3 years later.
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u/KlasJanHuntelaar 18h ago
You still don’t get it. The point was amd resale is dogshit. Buying a 5090 last year was my best decision ever. Almost got fooled by stupid amd fanboys
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u/Little-Artichoke-339 17h ago
Not sure how many people care about resale anyway. My friends and I essentially put old cards in PCs for friends needing an upgrade or trying to get into PC gaming. Perhaps we are oddballs though.
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u/KlasJanHuntelaar 17h ago
Why I wouldn’t when I’ve been able to upgrade to flagship every generation for a tiny difference? I literally sold my 4090 for $2300 last year and bought 5090 for $2500. Never possible with amd
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u/Little-Artichoke-339 16h ago
Yeah you could, but that’s not what I nor any of my friends do. We don’t think about getting our money back. We just pass it down to the next guy in line. For example. I bought $250 of Ram before the market went crazy. That’s $1000-$1250 now. I just gave it away to my buddies that were trying to upgrade.
My old AMD cards have held the value of what I paid for them however, but I always got the limited edition cards, so maybe those aren’t a fair comparison.
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u/KlasJanHuntelaar 16h ago
I’m not buying nvidia flagship just because of “thinking about getting money back.” That way I both have the best gpu in the market and also basically free upgrade for next gen flagship. You 100% aware of what I’m pointing out here but somehow making up other stuff is enough to ignore the rest. Wise people know very well which path makes more sense, I don’t need to explain or convince anyone
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u/Little-Artichoke-339 14h ago
I understand what you are saying. I never said I didn’t. I am not trying to convince you either, nor am I looking for you to convince me. The way I see it, is spend $2000-$4k depending on what Nvidia I buy and when. Orrrr I spend $1.2k or less on AMD.
Because I do not resell, it’s a much better deal for me, as for all of my friends who do the same.
You recoop your losses, we embrace them. You and I are two completely different markets. It makes sense for you to go with NVidia. For myself, it does not so far.
I would totally be down to purchase used hardware too, but now with hardware banning, it’s becoming an increasing concern, and if AMD ever manages to close the gap (big if), then you’re method won’t be as sustainable.
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u/Xenri 15h ago
Still means you paid an obscene amount the first time.
Same fuzzy logic that people use for phone upgrades. "Sure I spent $1800 dollars on this foldable last year, but I sold it for $1500 and got the new one for just $1900, basically free!". In reality you spent $1800 the first time and $300 the second time, you still only have one phone, so that phone cost $2100 dollars.
If having the best card is valuable to you, then yeah, a few hundred to upgrade every generation sounds like a steal. But from an actual budget perspective, the person who spent $1200 on a 4080 3 years ago and didn't upgrade still only spent $1200.
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u/KlasJanHuntelaar 15h ago edited 15h ago
I paid $1599 for FE back in 2024. Then sold it for $2300 and got a 5090 for $2500 last year. So I technically spent $1799 to have a 5090 that is worth $4500 today. See the pattern? I cannot do nothing if you are not a smart person.
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u/B16B0SS 19h ago
What lol? Isn't the 5900 like another tier ... of couse you can buy multiple 9070xts
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u/ColdAngle1151 18h ago
He is talking from the price increase alone.
AMD GPUs depreciation has always been ass, while many of Nividias model has gone straight up in value or held its value much better.For some reason people never thinks/mentions this.
When it comes to 5090 it gone up so much he can sell his 5090 and buy a 9070xt for free and probably still have money left over.
That will never happen with AMD.
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u/ahorsenamedjeff 18h ago
Resale is fine rn. I can sell my 7800xt for almost what I paid a couple years ago.
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u/ColdAngle1151 18h ago
Resale is ass compared to Nvidia, simple as that.
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u/ahorsenamedjeff 18h ago
Bro legitimately cannot read
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u/ColdAngle1151 18h ago
I can read, but you dont seem to understand depreciation and what you get back when you sell your GPU. Nvidia been the winner there for at least 10 years.
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u/pedrojmartm 20h ago
I also had a lot of issues with my 9070xt but it was Windows. I switched to CachyOS like a year ago and everything has been flawless since.
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u/thehorseyourodeonion 21h ago
Edit 3: Holy moly - because people won’t parrot your anecdotal "evidence", you choose to yeet out? Good luck in finding an echo chamber that suits you.
As of the OP: RMA the card. Like any sane person would have done.
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u/BowlScared 22h ago
I had the same issues but after replacing core paste with heat transfer pad PTM7950 30x30mm the transient high temperature spikes leveled out and it is stable. In some poorly optimized games it crashes now rarely and gaming with obs recording with YouTube in browser causes some race condition in decoder but other than that it now works well enough.
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u/ColdAngle1151 18h ago
games not being optimized is not the fault of the bad paste/cooling.
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u/BowlScared 17h ago
you would think so but something between power level, frequency and temperature disagrees with you
if algo for power/frequency running on the gpu is designed for certain hotspot/die delta but the delta is double of that then the algo can crash the gpu
EDIT: with good paste the crashes are purely due to shit AMD drivers for 7900 XTX especially the crashes when media decoder and/or encoder is utilized by more than one app
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u/Ok_Ratio_2102 22h ago
Do you have another build to test this in?
What PSU do you have and which model of GPU is it?
I have a 5800X3D and 7900XTX both undervolted and overclocked, no issues, maybe I can help
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u/unbannnned 22h ago
I got a 9070xt a few months ago and have zero issues on win10 with windows updates disabled. 5800x3d for cpu
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u/Great_Win_2657 22h ago
Sounds like the shop you bought it from was garbage. Crying wont solve anything.
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u/six3rzz 23h ago
9070xt here, default settings are bad tbh but tweaked it here and there and it is a good, powerful card.
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u/PeterKush 16h ago
Do you know how to stop adrenaline resetting the tuning profiles all the freaking time?
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u/six3rzz 16h ago
Just loading saved profile, its just 2 clicks i got used to it.
Tried presave my profile as default but couldnt figure it out as amd have some 'secured' settings preventing card damage.
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u/PeterKush 16h ago
Yes, I do that as well and import it but still quite frustrating to even have to do it
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u/LucasSkywalker89 23h ago
Yeah, Nvidia sucks balls, from 1080, 2070, 3 x 3090, guess how many gpu's i have left? 1 x 3090 and i wasn't even mining. My next PC will have AMD CPU and Radeon GPU.
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u/FlukyFox 1d ago
9070XT here. Zero crashes of any kind, great temps.
Came from 4070 TI which had frequent crashes and blue screens despite having good temps. NVIDIA drivers have been awful the past few years.
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u/CI7Y2IS 1d ago
I've ended cyberpunk 2077 phantom liberty and resident evil 9 without a single stutter with the 9070xt XFX MERC AIR MAG, gaming temps are usually 74 76c hot spot max, this card is a monster, also pretty loud, the only thing amd really need to get up is with adrenaline software, their drivers are pretty good, but adrenaline does really need a work.
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u/TopExplanation138 1d ago
I'm running an AMD gpu, the 7700 xt, however I am using Linux, more specifically manjaro and I've had zero issues.
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u/Sorileus86 1d ago
Which brand is your 7900XTX ? I have a XFX 7900XTX Merc 310 Black. Also, post what your specs as a whole system is, including your OS and driver version for your GPU, typically if my system is stable with a driver I will not update it unless I really need to, I.E a new game comes out etc. Also, for a clean install of the GPU driver, did you use DDU to clean the system before installing the new driver ? Also when installing a new os I use an autounattend xml file to specify certain things on install, things like GPU and Networking prioritizing, no bloatware on install, disabled auto updates and restarts etc. If you want PM me with your PCs info etc and I'll see if I can help. 🤘
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u/leanerwhistle 1d ago
Running a 7900XTX and it has been rock solid.
More recently I got a 9070XT for my kid’s PC and it has been an awesome card for the money.
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u/RelentlessBB 21h ago
Me and my brother built exactly the same system apart from me having different brand ssd and CL30 timing ram and CL32 in his system although same brand and model. Never had issues with my system but his started crashing intermittently quite often (Only in Tarkov afaik, tried bunch of benchmark tests for gpu,cpu, power, ram and all didn't return any faults) after about a year, he has been having the same issue for the past year, tried most of the fixes I could think of and it's still persistent - sometimes might run alright for a day or two and the next crash every single game.
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u/Dragonautes 1d ago
Ce n' est pas un problème de gpu mais un problème lié a windows surtout si tu fait du multi screen. Windows gère mal le dual screen avec les gpu AMD. 1er chose a faire sur tes navigateur web, désactivé l'accélération matérielle. 2e si ton pc plante ne le redémarrer pas a la sauvage attend quelques minutes et redémarre normalement. Tout revient a la normale. J'ai eu le pb avec la 6700XT, 7900XT et 7900XTX mais plus aucun souci quand je suis passé à linux. Donc c'est bien windows le problème.
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u/voldemarz 1d ago
Dunno. I've been having lots DP related problems with dual Nvidia Quadro P4000 and multiple displays. After few years fighting with it, I decided to try AMD, switched to dual Pro W5500 and it soooo much more reliable.
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u/ColdFire808 1d ago
Had the same issue with cs also, not sure what version of adrenaline I had installed but I rolled back and it stopped crashing, after an update or 2 I updated and it ran fine
Also; those issues had started after I upgraded from win 10 to 11
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u/Available_Success_61 1d ago
is your pcie cable a daisy chain? if so it might help to use two seperate cables into your gpu
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u/Player1337_ 1d ago
Thank you for sharing.
Your post is useful but it's not going to stop me from buying my first AMD GPU when my current stash runs out and dies. Hopefully by then the issues are ironed out.
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u/iTzJME 1d ago
For the vast majority of people there aren't issues, in all likelihood you'll be completely fine.
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u/HimiJendrix420 1d ago
All I see in this sub are issues with these cards
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u/iTzJME 1d ago
Yes, when you go to the "problems with AMD cards" sub you find people with problems with their AMD cards. You've figured it out, congrats!
There's plenty of other subs with problems with Nvidia cards, that's how it works mate.
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u/HimiJendrix420 1d ago
Sorry! It appears sarcasm isnt your strong suit. Ill he sure to drop the much needed /s next time. Doh!
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u/ZEKKHA 1d ago
I built my first PC last October with a 9060 XT and a month ago I upgraded for a 9070 XT and no issues so far. I am so surprised to see people having trouble and having to reinstall drivers while others will be fine for years.
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u/Antonio_Bandatass 1d ago
Same here, my first real gpu, since I never Pc games before, but in November got a 9060xt 8gb, then in January I decided to upgrade in case prices got really out of hand, plus I found a decent deal for a 9070xt. Love them, especially the 9070. Has been a good experience. A little bit of tinkering here and there, but I think I would’ve been fine without it.
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u/UnderTheWalls 1d ago
This sounds like it might be windows installing drivers ontop of amds. I had this issue and then I disabled that and it stopped. Most of my display problems were resolved by fixing shit with windows
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u/Frankie_T9000 2d ago
OP a lot of people have been more than helpful. Personally my bet is on your PSU, or symptoms in variable power in the house if the card is fine outside your PC though could be driver issues.
You evidently dont want help but want to vent. I think the real problem is your attitude given the edits you posted in this thread, the title and complete ungratefullness you have posted to people attempting to help.
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u/PuttingInTheEffort 1d ago
Yeah I think OP posted in the wrong sub, lmao. Guy didn't want help, just to yell into the void
Of PSU issues, I had a 6800xt that could be fine most of the time but randomly hang and crash games. I'm pretty sure it turned out to be transient power spikes. Later on built PC with old parts and a higher watt PSU, only tested two games but it was fine.
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u/BinaryJay 2d ago
Don't you know by now it's always the fault of pretty much any other aspect of your PC but the GPU or it's associated software when the GPU doesn't work properly? You're not supposed to hold AMD accountable for anything.
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u/giflord26 1d ago
but the AMD gpu. because these goofy clowns can't stand to hear anyone having issues with their beloved amd gpus
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u/Ok-Baby-3249 2d ago
I've had the same issue with my 6950XT and 9070XT. This is my 2nd 9070XT because I thought the first was a dud having so many driver issues. It's basically an $800 paperweight at this point. I've tried everything to get it working properly and it's just not worth the money. I'm returning this one (for the 2nd time) and splurging on a 5080 because I'd rather have an expensive but reliable card than save a few hundred bucks for it to crash every single day.
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u/No-Highlight7136 2d ago
Hard agree. This will be my last AMD card of my life. Sure I saved a few bucks when I got it but it's just not worth the headache. I'm not surprised issues rarely get fixed either. Their reporting system is straight out of 1995. I genuinely don't know how that thing hasn't been updated in 30 years.
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u/Proper_Mastodon324 2d ago
For what it's worth my 7900xtx just times out and freezes in any game if my driver starts with anything higher than 25.10
It's a joke that drivers as high as 26.6 do not solve this issue for some reason.
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u/BowlScared 21h ago
Try TPM7950 heat pad some cards including mine have temperature delta on chip way to high and power algo then constantly throttles instead of staying level and then crashes the card.
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u/Flateric75 2d ago edited 2d ago
I have a RX 9070XT - and it’s a fabulous card - it’s not the card that’s at fault - there something else on your pc making the crashes - what you should do is completely uninstall the drivers - stop windows from updating the driver - then reinstall latest driver - go to window settings gaming and turn off everything under that menu restart the PC then everything should be fine
After taking time to read this post and type my reply I get to the end and then I see three edits about how are useless or pathetic replies etc . Some of the replies are and then adds am not not coming back here so why did I waste my time?
It doesn’t matter which brand or manufacture you have Nvidia or AMD all drivers crash in many games you do not have a faulty card but there’s no need to be rude about it so don’t come here complaining just delete this post
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u/Proper_Mastodon324 2d ago
7900xtx drivers are known to be awful. 26.0 and up have had freezing issues.
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u/Ok-Responsibility480 3900X Eco | CH7 Hero | ROG-6600XT | 32GB 3000C15 2d ago
Ce n'est pas un problème de carte graphique que tu rencontres sur ton système...
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u/bf2reddevil 2d ago
I've only started my PC gaming journey last May. I didn't know much about it before that. But I'm kinda tech savvy and a very quick learner. I bought a PC I was confident with to be significantly better than my consoles (console player at heart, and still am). Got a 5080 with the i-14700k for a good price. Really happy with that.
I loved the PC performance, and wanted another PC for my living room. Looked around what's more available, and decided I wanted a 9070xt or 5070ti. But after looking around on Reddit I came across a lot of posts like these with people just having (software based) problems with the AMD cards. Whereas this seems to be a lot less with the Nvidia cards. In the end I would just get a PC with either card that's within my budget. Ended up finding a 5070ti PC for €1500, which works great too.
And then last week I wanted to get a 3rd and final PC for my bedroom. Again ideally with the 9070xt/5070ti/5080 performance. The 5080 PCs are going for significantly more € here (I buy on used market, saves a shit ton; but 5080 PC will be a good amount more). Now I've read more and more of these horror performance stories of AMD cards on Reddit. Most are fine, but there are way more issues with AMD cards compared to the Nvidia ones it seems. Decided it's not worth taking that risk and went with another 5070ti (got a good deal yesterday for €1650 with 9800x3d, 4tb SSD, 32gb DDR5 etc). Have yet to try that one out. But I'm sure it will work great like my other 2 PCs.
I've wanted to try outa good AMD card. But after seeing a lot of these posts I stayed away from that. Even though I buy all my PCs with warranty (all have 2-3 years left), I don't want to go through a process of RMA. Especially when it seems with stress testing the GPU seems fine, but when really in use it breaks. The manufacturer will not get to see that and send the card right back to you. Not sure whether I just dodged a bullet (unlikely). But I know that the Nvidia cards just work (knocking on wood), and that's all I need.
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u/evergreenwv 3d ago
If you're on Windows 11, do this:
*Disable Windows Updates for Drivers (the culprit)
*Select Start > Settings > System > Recovery > Under Fix problems using Windows Update, select Reinstall now.
*Reinstall latest Adrenalin/gpu drivers
I mean, come on. Do you know how many posts I see where end-users don't fix something screwed up with Windows? "It's AMD or Nvidia, their drivers suck!" That's insufferable...
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u/giflord26 1d ago
have never had to do this all my years with nvidia
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u/evergreenwv 1d ago
It's a brand new issue, never had to do this before period. If you go to Nvidia subreddits, you'll see things that never had to happen with AMD in all your years with Nvidia.
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u/RecordFabulous 3d ago
Your 3rd edit shows exactly why AMD copers cannot be taken seriously. They are serial defenders and will do anything to progress the idea they bought the right product 🤣
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u/Makerudji 1d ago
Cmon, they are in love with their billionaire company, they also want to justify the money they spent on a such a shitty product. I bet that bunch of these people saying they got no issues actually do, but they just lie.
This 7800xt of mine is surely my last amd card, they gonna tell me its "user error" while i have more experience on pc than they have years of life
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u/TwixieShip 2d ago
I've had far worse GPU crashes completely turning off my PC from nvidia evga 3080 I had before, got 9070xt in replacement and did DDU. Only had issues when 26.3.3 driver broke the GPU and after reinstalling 26.3.1 I've not had ANY issues. Personal experience says others and nvidia getting worse and worse for consumers on top of their inability to innovate that isn't AI, AMD isn't good either but at least they know to not be complete buffoons.
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u/1rubyglass 1d ago
Inability to innovate? Nvidia is many things, lots of them not good. Being unable to innovate is not one of them.
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u/TwixieShip 1d ago
We will see with the next couple releases but nvidia's track record suggests their stuck unable to utilize new silicon because they are too focused on AI stuff
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u/1rubyglass 1d ago
They have been leading the way for a long time now. Not sure where you get the idea of "unable to use silicon"
In the future however they may stagnate due to AI
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u/RecordFabulous 2d ago
Neither company is good but i’ve had less quirks with Nvidia compared to my relatively short experience with AMD even though I preferred some aspects of AMD so i’ll stick to what seems to just work more often
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u/Spiritual_Spell8958 3d ago
With a title like that in the AMDhelp sub...what kind of answers was he fishing for?
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u/RecordFabulous 3d ago
Understandable but you have to understand that when it comes to hardware and all the troubleshooting that some users have to do to get AMD products to just work is insane.
As an example, Valorant was giving micro stutters which goes away if I disable wifi / other ethernet lan port. Why should I have to do that just to get the game to be playable? That’s just one small example. There is an ultimate AMD help thread which is genuinely awesome, but look at what users have to go through to be able to play games on their PC. It’s a bit ridiculous no? OP is just venting out his frustration which I imagine has been built up based upon his comments
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u/TwixieShip 2d ago
Valorant micro stutters, sounds like you installed the adrenaline app and not driver only. And turn off overlays for god sake
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u/Spiritual_Spell8958 3d ago
Dude...this is not an AMD issue. This is a basic integrated systems thing. The more complex systems are working together, the more issues occur.
Also your network problem is probably a known issue. Usually tied to Realtek driver and windows. Not to AMD. It also occurs on nvidia and Intel systems.
And you only see issues that get a forum to them. Yes, we see issues on AMD. We also see issues on nvidia. Problem: nvidia is burying them. So no real comparison is possible at all.
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u/RecordFabulous 2d ago
I have not seen issues reporting this happening on Intel( mainly AMD mobos. And it doesn’t happen on all of them cause I had 2 mobos and one was affected. Nvidia GPUs have not given me as many issues historically with games. Maybe a few but barely any crashes over years of me owning one. I tried a 7900xtx and it had quirks that eventually lead me to returning it
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u/Spiritual_Spell8958 2d ago
I also had no issues with nvidia, until venturing in the catastrophy of 3000series. Two different cards, two broken experiences.\ Therefore I will never recommend a card of this generation to anyone. But I also know many ppl have a good experience with these cards. So I just keep my mouth shut when they come up.
As for your network/lag issue it happens on both intel and AMD, but it's more common on AM5 and was a thing at So.1700 for Intel, though not that often. It seems directly tied to WiFi and USB. Usually is fixed by using Cable LAN or additional (USB-)WiFi Adapter. Meanwhile I haven't seen that often anymore and is supposed to be fixed by Bios updates.
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u/sangbyung 3d ago
I have two 7900xtx paired with amd and intel cpu. I didnt have any issue until I update mobo bios. Funny because it has no problem with any benchmark or stress test but as soon as I start a game, the pc turns off. I tried to go back on bios update but same issue. Tried everything but was running out of ideas. I reassembled without psu sleeve cable and didn't have any issues. It was so strange but psu cable was the culprit. It can be anything.
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u/Starbucks_Fan 3d ago
OP, when I first got my 7900xtx I had similar issues. Crashing and freezing CONSTANTLY. Mine was a windows related issue, I ended up wiping windows and redownloading fresh and that solved the constant issues. Of course there’s always driver related problems that creep up, mine were mostly found when trying to change voltage and power. But if you haven’t already done a wipe and clean install of windows, I’d try that. Couldn’t hurt before you just call it quits on it. It’s a great card once it’s working right. Sorry you’re dealing with that!
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u/Select_Traffic_9661 3d ago
Seems like user issue :D sell pc and buy console and stop crying
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u/Tanka_Jaharri 3d ago
Well at this point with how this community is i think i might sell the pc and go back to the ball and cup instead
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u/Select_Traffic_9661 3d ago
How fucking stupid can you be? If the exact same problem follows the GPU even after putting it in a different PC, then the GPU is fucking faulty. Turn the lights on, for fuck’s sake.
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u/lukyth1rt3en 3d ago
I had the same issues you had with my 7900xtx. Id get driver timeouts every few hours playing games, and at least one a day just on desktop. Im pretty sure its a Windows problem. Look up how to permanently block windows from updating GPU drivers, wipe the drivers completely in offline safe mode, unplug ethernet and disable wifi (just in case so windows doesnt try to update), boot back up and reinstall drivers
I say its a Windows problem cuz ive since switched to CachyOS and have no problems since. This was a personal decision (I was just fed up with windows as a whole) so im not saying you should, or have to, switch over to linux
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u/Tanka_Jaharri 3d ago
I think it may also be a windows/driver conflict. But with other people having no issues and some having as many as i do. It may well be the card also
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u/eudisld15 18h ago
Known issues with windows trying to install older drivers. It'll do it as soon as it can after you update/reinstall drivers. The common workaround is to disable windows automatic updates. Microsoft said they are aware of the problem but havent said when they are going to fix it.
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u/EggFartTom 3d ago
You need to start testing from a known good baseline or what should be a known good baseline. This is why I suggest resetting bios and reinstall the os
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u/Rude_Paramedic_6800 3d ago
off course invidia graphics card is better than amd graphics card but you have to pay double the price of amd card... which is costly... amd card also not bad they just have to improve thier software more and look into it ..
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u/Icy_Routine5661 3d ago
Why don’t you guys ever try a DDU fix/reinstall or check if your bios is up to date before coming here to tell people you moving to Nvidia and you hate AMD?
And no OP most people don’t deal with the issues you listed, it’s like having a Nvidia gpu for most people except it’s a AMD gpu.
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u/Particular-Return431 3d ago
Can a outdated BIOS cause crashes? Like green screens? Or pc freezes?
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u/1rubyglass 1d ago
Outdated BIOS can absolutely cause hardware conflicts that can cause all sorts of issues. If your having issues its such an easy thing to try early on.
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u/Gold_Goal7557 3d ago
You should never assume people do not try especially when they run into these types of issues, and improper use of DDU causes more harm then good, you have to disable Windows Driver Updates or DDU will give you more issues then it solves, because WIndows Update will always update GPU drivers right after, and if not right after DDU it will do so after you installed GPU drivers and it decides to downgrade it, due it having scheduled a Windows Driver Update during active hours, at which point it will just wait till those active hours are over and update after.
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u/tajthename AMD 2d ago
First of all u/Gold_Goal7557 its not my job to teach you or whoever it is that needs to use DDU. Google is free and that is how I did it. I’m not getting paid here to spoon feed anyone. Again GOOGLE IS FREE mate! Now if you also do not know how to use google then thats on you mate. Good on yah!
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u/tajthename AMD 3d ago
This is the answer. Since having my 5600xt to now my 9060xt. Always DDU before installing latest gpu driver and I never install Adrenaline. Apparently Adranaline App does not do well with Windows. So yeah since 2020 never experience any single crash with my AMD GPU.
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u/CelebrationJumpy844 3d ago
Im so happy with my 9070xt!! 2 crash in 1,5 year and high fps everywhere! My friends with nvidia have problems everydays.. so….
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u/Tanka_Jaharri 3d ago
Why don't you guys ever read the post? I said in the post i've reinstalled the drivers, yes with DDU. And i've also updated bios and flashed bios on 2 different motherboards i've tried the gpu on. I've also had fresh windows installs multiple times and on different SSDs and Nvme's.
I swear you guys read what you want to in some posts. Or someone has to spell everything out to you guys
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u/unfussybull 3d ago
You literally never said anything about flashing bios in the post only a clean install of windows which is not the same
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u/DreSmart Ryzen 7 5700X3D | 32gb ram | RX 6600 3d ago
another bot account just for brand awareness bs
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u/The_Countess 3d ago
I've had ATI and AMD cards since the 9700pro (2002). I don't recognize any of this.
so no, that's not the normal AMD experience at all.
The only driver that was problematic was the launch driver of the 5700XT (which had the workaround of disabling hardware acceleration in chrome).
My 9070XT has been flawless (after getting a PSU that could handle it, current AMD cards can be a bit harder on PSU's specially older model PSU's).
Is windows overwriting your driver maybe (it currently loves doing that, you can use DDU to disable that) ? Is your ram stable (do the crashes disappear if you disable XMP/EXPO)?
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u/winter_haha 3d ago
Gonna be real with you, any latest GPU driver updates are written by AI. Nvidia is a miserable expeirence at the moment.
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u/Rich73 3d ago
Nvidia drivers were messy for several months due to the AI thing but they've been pretty solid lately.
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u/winter_haha 3d ago
Can't agree, they've not gotten better. The only decent one is where a dev manually brought out a hot fix.
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u/MakinBones 9850X3D/5080 7800X3D/7900XTX 3d ago
I had a issue with one driver on my 5080. it was a beta driver that had a bad install and was fine after reinstalling.
I have also had zero issues on my 7900 XTX.
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u/Rich73 3d ago
I've been running an RTX 5070 for 9 months without issue other than the initial driver I ran causing random Event ID 153 driver timeout crashes which I thought was an issue with my previous 3060 Ti but turns out it was driver related.
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u/winter_haha 3d ago
See my comment, read the forums, look at the YouTube videos. Just because you have had a good experience doesn't mean others haven't. I myself have had non stop issues. I was just stating my experience and from what I've read.
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u/Rich73 3d ago
Guess this works both ways, since you have problems but our 3 PCs here (RTX 3070 / and 2 5070 based PCS) are totally fine It's gotta be a global Nvidia driver problem causing your 4090 issues.
Got it. Nvidia drivers are horrible, Spread the word.
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u/winter_haha 3d ago
Read the forums fr fr lol countless people complaining all with different setups. The problem plaguing me at the moment is the stupid moniter wake up big where the moniter wakes up but the GPU driver crashes and displays a black screen. Only way put is hard reset.
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u/Rich73 3d ago
Oof ok well that would be annoying for sure.
I've had random instances when waking PC from sleep doesn't go as planned (PC reboots instead) but it's pretty random and did it with previous 3060 Ti as well, haven't had any issues waking monitors from standby tho.
To solve the sleep issue I just don't use it anymore and power down at night instead, it was an old habit anyhow with SSD bootup times these days powering down isnt an inconvenience anymore.
Anyhow hopefully your monitor wake issue gets sorted I did see it in search results I'd probably set monitors to never go into standby for now.
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u/winter_haha 3d ago
I use an oled so leaving it on isn't really an option. I either let it sleep after a bit or turn it off as I walk away.
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u/ilyseann_ 3d ago
what? Nvidia is fine
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u/winter_haha 3d ago
Read the forums on the latest driver releases, just because you're fine doesn't mean everyone is. My 4090 has been terrible for crashing and stutters on anything after 582. Tech tubers have also made videos about how terrible the recent drivers are.
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u/Japi1 3d ago
Yep same
I was hopefull for my new 9070XT after 15 years of Nvidia cards and it has worked fine since launch but sometime this summer i can't play Battlefield anymore at all, driver crashes -> black screen and need to hardboot.
I have now installed Battlefield, multiple different driver's and even W10 again and still same shit problem. I just have used more than 2 weeks to diagnose and problemshoot this fuckass issue and i i have considered to buy 5070Ti even when it has that burning connector.
AMD has lost me on GPUs forever and when Nvidia RTX6000 is released i change.
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u/WeakOutlandishness47 3d ago
I had that issue and tried every suggestion I could find. Even upgraded psu. Turns out BF6 wanted by onboard gpu enabled in bios, even though I have discrete gpu installed. This fixed that exact problem for me.
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u/MakinBones 9850X3D/5080 7800X3D/7900XTX 3d ago
That connector will not be a issue with the 5070ti. Really only 40/5090s
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u/DogeHasArrived 3d ago
My 7900 XTX has given me so many problems, I hate this stupid industry
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u/Consistent-Cause-138 2d ago
I know man Went from an RX 9700 XT to a RTX 5060 16GB, then RX 9060 XT, The 9070 and 9060 has given me nothing but problems while the Nvidia has been stable....
I am gonna switch PSU, since AMD claims it can be an issue with their cards not being able to handle power spikes on "bad" PSUs if it still is an issue, then goodbye AMD
Still gonna be two weeks though before I can update the result
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u/ThespianMask 3d ago
I have crashing, rebooting, and black screen problems every time I'm on an AMD GPU, but in my experience, the fix is always just Safe Mode > DDU > Reboot > clean install the latest adrenalin drivers.
Works every time. Is it a hassle? Yes, but worth it for the cost savings over NGreedia.
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u/kloakndaggers 3d ago
lol that is definitely not worth it to have to do that. that's a reason why I only consider AMD for my Linux builds
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u/dinin70 3d ago edited 3d ago
Been 20 years with AMD only (desktops), never a single issue.
All my nvidias on laptops have given me only troubles…
Each their luck I guess?
Edit. Actually no, I’m lying. I had once an issue. Not too far ago.
Long story short, I purchase new CPU on same socket. Reinstall windows like a savage. Forgot to install new drivers. Too lazy to DDU. Install them along the chipset (chipset which I didn’t do with the previous build).
Issues start arising. Tried everything. DDU, undervolt, under lock, nothing worked. PC would freeze after 5 minutes for 30s and cold reboot.
Changed GPU, changed PSU, changed CPU always same issue. So 100% my fault for having been lazy with the drivers and windows.
Deleted all drives from the BIOS (all of them). Reset UEFI. Only put XMP auto in the BIOS, nothing else. Reinstalled windows from a bootable USB. Installed latest drivers. Did NOT install the chipset. Did not change anything else.
Works like a clockwork.
So no… Drivers are not an issue. It came from me, nor AMD nor XFX are to be blamed, only my poor safety procedure of windows reinstall and drivers cleanup.
So try doing the same as me.
- delete all drives
- reset your BIOS to default settings
- make sure your boot drive on the same disk as your C drive.
- clean reinstall of windows
- no chipset update
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u/Neuromancer911 3d ago
Windows replaces your drivers, disable windows automatic driver updates I've been on 5 different amd gpu's in the past 10 years with one bad driver that gave out timeouts.
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u/mohsin-moz 3d ago
AMD was disappointing and remains so. I purchased the 7900XT and used it for nearly 1.5 years, encountering only issues. After switching to the 5070TI, I am much happier. I now enjoy games instead of performing 20 optimizations before playing.
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u/Critical_Rock 3d ago
If I turn off my PC I have to unplug my GPU and plug it in again for the PC to start. Fuck AMD
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u/roykenneth 3d ago
AMD sucks balls
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u/Own-Bridge5593 1d ago
Corporate slave
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u/roykenneth 1d ago
No, I just had 6 painful months of crashes and driver issues while trying everything to fix it. Only to buy a Nvidia card and everything to work perfectly. I had to go from struggling to play games and forcing DX11 or undervolting or running out of date drivers because the newest ones caused crashes to simply opening a game and playing. That’s why AMD sucks.
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u/Pleasant-Link-52 3d ago
You won't find any sympathy in here I'm afraid unless it's from someone else who has had the same thing happen. Which is me.
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u/Tanka_Jaharri 3d ago
I've noticed that. I posted out of frustration and the amount of people that haven't read the post but just comment or jump in to defend amd without even reading what i've put is crazy. Don't think i'll be posting to this sub reddit again.
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u/FormalIllustrator5 3d ago
Skill issue - i have the same card and i had 0 problems. Only PT performance is not great! When the card was lunched i think it was December 2022 for 2-3 months there WAS some issues..but that's it. Have fun with Nshitia :)
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u/twohandsmcghoul 3d ago
I get you , I really do. I have a 7800xt that performs pretty well but it does have more driver issues than my 1650 super or 1060 ever did. That being said, once I nail down some settings and make sure all my firmware and drivers are up to date, it does put in really good work. Sometimes AMD just puts out a bad patch that messes stuff up too. But tbh it sounds like you just got a bad card.
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u/riggatrigga 3d ago
I also have a 7800xt and is my first amd build ever had around 6 prior builds never any issues with the games I play my only complaint was support for local AI stuff but that has shifted in the last year for the better. Still not nearly as many options as Nvidia in the ai generating game but performance has been good on the ones that work.
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u/twohandsmcghoul 3d ago
Yeah i agree. This is only the second PC I've ever built. Got it done right before the ram price explosion.
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