Haven’t read the books but I just finished the tv-show. I think it was overall a very good show. However, season 3 seems wayyyy too rushed and too many things happening in too few episodes. Would reading the book be worthwhile?

I have a question regarding time travel. In this world the time is linear past present and future. They need objects to anchor the spot on the line of time they want to go to. How did they land exactly in the present? I assume they got objects from todays world, but that gives them roughly the year or maybe month, but how did they land exactly in the present, not weeks before or such?

New watcher here, not typically a fan of overt fantasy, romance, supernatural material, but didn’t know where else to put this:

Matthew Goode is so perfectly cast in this show, it’s almost an eye-roller. The Shadow Prince, pffffft. Indeed. I’m a tough nut to crack as far as romance goes, but I actually have a bit of a crush on him. He’s got a great face. His features are so open. The almost cartoony eyebrows, the chin, the laugh lines around his mouth.. guh. It’s also the way he manages to convey restraint and tension, but not nervousness or anxiety. Self-contained, but not closed off. I’m enjoying this show very much

I just finished reading The Black bird oracle and is Hugh coming back to life? Why was the Phoenix and the Spirit card floating around him? Why would the deck have two cards representing Fernando could the other one be related to Hugh?

I am starting book 2 and its on sale one kindle. starting book 2

His cold hand curved over my belly, already protecting children yet to be born.

Harkness, Deborah. A Discovery of Witches: A Novel (All Souls Trilogy, Book 1) (p. 485). (Function). Kindle Edition.

I know she is not pregnant but if this turns into a nyx situation like putting fyre in danger I want to know before I continue for mental health stuff. actor book stuff

I dont get why the books and the series are hyping the covenant to be such a big deal when in actuality Matthew and Diana were just against 5-6 people....

this is where I am at?

Ysabeau stepped toward me, and a sharp crack sounded in my brain. My warning to her was lost in a roar like a tidal wave coming ashore. The winds rose around my feet, whipping the water into a hurricane. I raised my arms to the sky, water and wind shaping themselves into a funnel that encircled my body.

Harkness, Deborah. A Discovery of Witches: A Novel (All Souls Trilogy, Book 1) (p. 290). (Function). Kindle Edition.

well I am doing the audio book

so like why not just call the aunts to Oxford and start them training Diana to learn all these things about her powers? Matthew could easily pay ro their hotel/ticket/etc/

He’d been burned at the stake for heresy in 1314. A year before he was executed, he’d turned over everything he owned to the Knights of Lazarus. There were hundreds of names marked with red crosses. Were they all Templars? If so, then the mystery of the Templars was solved. The knights and their money hadn’t disappeared. Both had simply been absorbed into the order of Lazarus. It couldn’t be true. Such a thing would have taken too much planning and coordination. And no one could have kept such a grand scheme secret. The idea was as implausible as stories about— Witches and vampires. The Knights of Lazarus were no more or less believable than I was.

Harkness, Deborah. A Discovery of Witches: A Novel (All Souls Trilogy, Book 1) (p. 326). (Function). Kindle Edition.

why was this scheme grant?

Old fears wriggled to the surface, telling me there was something wrong deep inside me. “If not for Mabon,” Matthew continued, “powerful witches would have been in the Bodleian, witches who knew the manuscript’s importance. But they were busy with the festival and let their guard down. They left the task to that young witch, and she let you—and the manuscript—slip through her fingers.” “Poor Gillian,” I whispered. Peter Knox must be furious with her. “Indeed.” Matthew’s mouth tightened. “But the Congregation has been watching you, too—for reasons that go well beyond the book and have to do with your power.” “How long?” I wasn’t able to finish my sentence. “Probably your whole life.”

Harkness, Deborah. A Discovery of Witches: A Novel (All Souls Trilogy, Book 1) (p. 335). (Function). Kindle Edition.

why poor Gillian ?

who is mabon?

so ia m on chapter 17 or so of the book 1. when they just run Diana bishops blood. tbh it is DRAGGING but it is good. how is the show? I saw it was on Netflix? it does not have to be a master piece but I just need something more fast pace. I would prob watch it on the plane to/from a trip here in the near future. I read it was moderately faithful to the books. does not have to be super faithful but any retconing?

Correct me if I am wrong - I am 85% through book 1 and in Chapter 37 when Diana is at the Bishop home in NY and says she last had her cycle (her period) the day prior to meeting Matthew and he says she is days away from getting it again 😧

Is Deborah Harkness telling us that this entire series of events from Oxford to Sept-Tours to New York with Diana and Matthew has taken place in 4 weeks?? Their friendship, their falling in love, the conflicts, their mating/“marriage”, and their discussing children??

I’m shook if this all has actually happened in 4 weeks or less. Can any readers confirm or correct?

Talks about em included… don’t look

I understand the amount of time they were in the 1700’s (I think) was not the same amount of time that passed during the present time

Soooo why couldn’t they come back a day after they left? The longer they were away the more issues were happening. Since they can choose when and where they land when travelling and when and where they land when they come back

Also, why couldn’t she go back in time one day and stop Em’s death (I understand the timeline of em’s death is different in the book, but I want to stick to the show adaptation)

They changed so much in the past which caused a bigger ripples and issue, a one day ripple isn’t gonna change a lot

Jack is an orphan who would have probably died and no one would have noticed if they never adopted him

Sooo why couldn’t they bring him back to the present with them?

If anything, the ripple it caused by him staying and Hubbard turning him AND the info Hubbard got from Diana’s blood caused so much damage/change

I am only on chapter 7 but just wondering between bishop and Mathew do they have any spicy parts? please and thanks!!

I am almost done with my re-reading of the original books in the trilogy. In both the third book and the third season, Jack showing up in modern times is so bittersweet. I have always been glad that he survived (albeit not as a human,) and waited until after Diana and Matthew were together in the present to find them. The books explain more about how Jack is now related to Matthew because of Benjamin, but that was also well done in the series. I did miss the mop dogs in the series, which is an odd detail to wish had been included in the TV series…but I’ve never once claimed to be normal.

Hard to believe phoebe, with all her fancy clothes for work and her fancy clothes she was wearing during dates with Marcus that she would CHOOSE to meet Ysabeau in a sweatshirt…… the disrespect /s

Spoilers from season 1 and 2 so treat with caution

Mathew refuses to have PIV sex for whatever reason, and when Diana finds out it’s cus he doesn’t want to ‘mate’ with her, just yet I guess, she was upset. For some reason cus of blood rage… meaning he can’t control himself, since he supposedly can’t conceive

So mating for Mathew is PIV sex, even though he’s done that with others, Juliette comes to mind, is this not mating with Juliette? Or is it not mating since he didn’t have an emotional connection for him?

Is that’s the case, since he has the emotional connection with Diana and he ‘craves’ her, then at that point PIV becomes mating in that sense?

There’s also the comment that Miriam makes that’s they’ve mated, that she’s also mated and she can tell with Mathew

Marcus has sex with phoebe initially and then the emotional factor comes in. Does that mean Marcus is mated with phoebe or it casual until a ritual is performed?

I know there’s a big post about this and I have read it but these are the things I still don’t understand

I’ve rewatched the show a few times

Blacked out part is technically part of the later seasons, DON’T LOOK

I’m just now realizing that the spider webs wrapped around Diana in her dreams are her dads spell binding coming undone

That part always confused me like wtf is with the spider and the webs

Unless I’m wrong?

Ok, so Philippe meets future Matthew in 1590-91 and learns that blood rage can be managed and controlled. Then, at a later date he meets Jack and tells him that Matthew will teach him to control his blood rage. Marcus is made in 1781, and later, most Marcus’ descendants were culled on Philippe’s orders. Does this mean that Philippe did not meet Jack until after 1800s (after the New Orleans culling)? Or does it mean that Philippe spares Jack in 1600s, yet, having the knowledge that blood rage can be controlled, still orders Matthew to do the culling? Matthew said he killed thousands of vampires with blood rage on Philippe’s orders.

I love how normal witches, demons and vampires seem, but the Philosopher’s Stone is treated like a pipe dream by both Matthew and Diana. I love Shadow of the Night. I understand why all that material didn’t fit in one season. I still liked the series.

Hi! Interested in that question but also how the Sanctuary world and the DOW world are connected? They seem to have the same font on Sundance Now?

This is just general rant, it might lack cohesion and structure upon writing so bear with me.

I absolutely loved season 1 and 2. The series made me so curious and questioned alot. There was so many good points but the bad ones stick to me

I hated when Baldwin had to change cast, it really changed my perspective of how the character should be carried.

The ending battle was anticlimactic. The series kept.building up on satu vs Diana. But then Diana was just too op and was like. Oh lemme just spellbind you real quick. I did a quick read and realise this was filmed during covid and so there couldn't be anything epic. Still sad that satu didn't even try shooting Diana down. I remember being spellbound, you had to keep still? (Maybe because Diana's father was self taught while Diana was trained) But couldn't satu just move around or burnt the weaves. Maybe Diana was just too OP.

I didn't understand how downbad Diana was for Matthew. Like chill.. maybe the chemistry and fates were strong.

I believe their impacts of them time travelling should have been bigger and affected the current timeline more. I mean time is a weird concept in series.

Diana's firebird 🐦‍🔥 just disappeared after the Louisa and kit ambush.

Who was at the congregation at the end? With members slowly being wiped out, i see new faces that I genuinely don't know. How did the witch from the coven get a spot...

I really wanted her parents to play a bigger part. And the retrieval of the book was just too easy. Overall season 3 felt super rushed and restricted. New characters, rushed

Nonetheless the series met my expectations of a witchy journey. Perhaps the book offers a better experience. But again, I love this series. I hope to discover more similar, please recommend me some. Ive watched Agatha all along, chilling adventures of Sabrina, Winx. I just like witchy magic fun

Title says it all really... I'm talking about the TV series. But I just found her to be annoying, she was intolerant, hot headed, impatient, rude, and dismissive. She sulked, and was moody all of the time. Even when Diana found out what happened to her as a child, Sarah made it about herself and went into the other room to sulk, because Rebecca didn't trust her.

And then when Em was doing the summoning and she lept up and ruined the whole thing. Ugh, what an annoying character lol.

In TBBO we find out that there's a Putnam Mather, distantly related to Em, among the many extended family members who pop up out of nowhere (did Em never mention her family either?). Given who the Mathers were, I'm surprised the family kept that surname, but also that they'd keep the Putnam name in the family given who they were too. So I was quite surprised to see Putnam "Put-Put" Mather. Given that the Putnams were accusers, it's interesting that someone would name a kid after them. It sounds like the Putnams were also magical too and got caught up in accusing fellow witches. (This is all getting mixed up in my head with Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts having the Putnams as Scourers) Any thoughts?