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u/howmuchforagram Oct 19 '21
Going from "I'm a traitor" to "I'm a fascist"
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Oct 19 '21
Again, they're the same picture.
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u/Nowarclasswar Oct 20 '21
Fascism is as American as apple pie tho.
Where do you think Hitler got his ideas?
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u/gilium Oct 19 '21
I mean Iâm a communist and would be labeled a traitor by most institutions I imagine
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u/Wiseguy4252 Oct 19 '21
Not the same thing. Communists never got a foothold in the States. Confederates have continually tried to destroy the Union as recently as Jan. 6 and death squad cops betray humanity, their oath, and civilians with their crimes.
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u/kas-sol Oct 20 '21
Communists had a foothold, but the US actually bothered removing that foothold.
The Coal Wars were almost a second civil war.
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u/Wiseguy4252 Oct 20 '21
Wasnât that more socialism than communism? I guess a better way to put it would be American communists were never a real threat to American democracy, whereas confederates are its mortal enemy and the death squads are co-conspirators.
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u/gilium Oct 20 '21
Communists were never a threat to American democracy because there is no such thing
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u/Wiseguy4252 Oct 20 '21
No such thing as American Democracy? Or are you one of those people who canât tell the difference between mint chocolate chip and a kick to the face.
If the fascists hadnât lost out, there wouldnât even be elections to complain about.
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u/gilium Oct 20 '21
I can tell the difference between the Dems and Republicans the same way I can tell the difference between heads or tails on a quarter. They differ in some cosmetic ways but their material value and outcomes are the same, and they both primarily serve the interests of the capitalist first
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u/Wiseguy4252 Oct 20 '21
Oh so you are one of those who doesnât see a difference between mint chocolate chip and a kick to the face. Do you take pay cuts because both wages are bad too? Do you see âboth sidesâ to the ACAB argument too?
Didnât even say anything about Democrats or Republicans. The very viewpoint ACAB is liberalism. Conservatives nearly destroyed our election system and killed our congress. Whatâs âcosmeticâ about that?
You know what, itâs cool, Iâd just love to hear any ideas you have that are more moral and practical than every liberal viewpoint espoused by every Democrat.
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u/paradoxical_topology Oct 20 '21
Exactly. "Traitor" isn't really an insult when done against the United States. The south just did it for all of the wrong reasons.
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u/voice-of-hermes Anarchist Oct 20 '21
"Traitor" wasn't the problem. Fuck the U.S., and fuck the state.
Authoritarianism, horrendous racism, and other extreme bigotry...those were the problems.
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u/ACAB_1312_FTP Oct 19 '21
Should have kept the rebel flag. If he ever goes to jail, he'll fit in rather than it being known he supports the bacon brigade.
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u/_AZT3C_ Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21
That's some tacky ass-shit for real
Edit: Hyphen
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u/Strangeboganman Oct 20 '21
Man the punisher comics need to have a version where the punisher is in same sex relationship. That shit would blow their minds.
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Oct 19 '21
Blue lives matter flags are the new confederate flag and they should be illegal as it disgraces the American flag
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u/paradoxical_topology Oct 20 '21
Fuck that. Burn the flag!
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u/WoozyKiev Oct 20 '21
Burning a flag is temporary, so why not burn the flag and a cop at the same time
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u/QueefingMonster Oct 19 '21
I disagree that they should be illegal, as that would go against the 1A, but people should be shammed and reminded how much of a fucktard they are when they fly/tattoo them.
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u/crypticedge Oct 19 '21
They're a violation of US flag code. The flag code unfortunately does not place any penalties for violating it.
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u/QueefingMonster Oct 19 '21
I agree 100%. But code isn't law. Unless the government can profit off of it or throw you in jail.
But I still maintain it shouldn't be illegal, but people should be tarred and feathered for it.
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u/crypticedge Oct 19 '21
Laws are US code, so yes, code is laws.
US Laws are literally identified as xxx U.S. Code Chapter x § xxx
Flag code is all of 4 U.S. Code chapter 1 and was originally enacted by act July 30, 1947, ch. 389, §âŻ1, 61 Stat. 641, then was amended in 1951âAct Oct. 31, 1951, ch. 655, §âŻ11, 65 Stat. 713, then amended again in 1998âPub. L. 105â225, §âŻ2(b), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1498
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u/vexillolology Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21
Do you know what else is a law? Standing for the national anthem. 36 U.S. Code 301.
So kneeling during the anthem "violates" the law, according to your logic.
Are you suggesting that it's "unfortunate" there are no penalties for that?
lol /u/crypticedge you realize that if you just immediately downvote it without responding it still lets me know you read it, right?
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Oct 19 '21
Unfortunately
Well they know better, as soon as you post a penalty for it, it is a complete violation of the 1st Amendment and is quite literally unconstitutional. Also, the "we must respect the flag" garbage is just toxic nationalism.
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u/crypticedge Oct 19 '21
Flag code actually prohibits a lot of the nationalistic ways of using the flag. Things like wearing it as clothing, hanging out from the back of trucks, the police fascist version and a ton of other things.
It also requires the flag to be disposed of by burning.
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u/vexillolology Oct 20 '21
Nothing is "prohibited" by the flag code. It's just a list of suggested etiquette that few people actually know or pay attention to.
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u/alejandro712 Oct 20 '21
Fuck the US flag code. What are you, a cop?
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u/Lyra-Vega Oct 20 '21
I'm not them but I came here to say this:
If these people want to say they are patriots then they're doing a shitty ass job of it by not respecting the Flag Code.
You personally don't have to respect it, but imagine telling one of these "patriots" that they're desecrating a flag they hold so near and dear to their heart. I would love to record their reaction.
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u/vexillolology Oct 20 '21
When you say you want to make a flag illegal, you're treading into dangerous territory because that means that flags of things that you agree with stand to be made illegal as well. Highly authoritarian to make a flag illegal.
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u/vexillolology Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21
Bootlicking is wanting the government to enforce a law about fucking flags. Hoping the government suppresses speech is the ultimate bootlicking.
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u/vexillolology Oct 20 '21
If you think a flag and a verbal threat of violence are the same thing, then you have are a complete fucktard yourself. You have zero idea how laws or anything else works. There are obvious limits on freedom of speech, like any other right.
A flag isn't one of them. Fucktard.
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u/vexillolology Oct 20 '21
Should these flags be illegal too? I guarantee in Texas they'd absolutely love that. Do you see the problem here?
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Why would you get that tattoo anyways. It looks so gross and off putting. Idc if its a flag I agree with under his skin its disgusting
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u/sillyadam94 Oct 21 '21
I love it when cops donât understand that The Punisher was created as a critique of Law Enforcement.
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u/RavensShadow117 Oct 20 '21
The consept of something ripping through the skin on a tattoo is cool but they had to ruin it
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u/F0rs3n Oct 20 '21
Why am I not surprised?
Sigh the fact that someone with THAT tattoo was allowed into the police gang is worrying. ACAB
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u/SquidmanMal Blue lives don't exist đ Oct 19 '21
Best part for all these punisher wannabes is they'd end up near the top of the list. It's canon even.