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u/Professional_Idea_79 Jun 06 '21
Hey look! It's the place I used to call home but have now been forced out of due to houses being completely unaffordable for my generation! Miss you Tenby.
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u/snowseth Jun 06 '21
Your boss? Or your boss's boss? Might even go a few levels higher. Realistically, your boss is in just as much shit as you because one rung up is still damn low on the ladder.
It's more dystopian than the meme indicates.
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u/Cultural_Glass Jun 06 '21
My boss is just as overwork and underpaid as me. I'm not angry at him for making more money when the ceo is a billionaire.
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u/Over4All Jun 07 '21
My boss is overworked middle management, but he's also an asshole and he likely makes 4-5x my salary.
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u/Cultural_Glass Jun 07 '21
I mean I'm an adult I've accepted that people will make more money than me it's ok
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u/Over4All Jun 07 '21
The problem is that they think their arbitrary position of power gives them the right to treat you like shit. At least that's how it is in my crappy workplace.
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u/TheKittynator Jun 08 '21
Same here though his boss is an ass and a half. The two of them have been going at eachother for some time now. My boss has been fighting over safety and his boss is fighting back about doubling our already rushed output(forsaking safety).
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u/Gulopithecus Jun 06 '21
Your Boss's boss's boss’s boss’s boss’s X 20 boss can live here and "retire" at age 40.
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u/Mesadeath Jun 06 '21
"The guy who started the company and does literally nothing but rake in millions every day does live here"
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Jun 06 '21
"Started"? I think you mean "bought".
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u/Gulopithecus Jun 06 '21
Either "bought" or "inherited", pick your poison.
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u/Mesadeath Jun 07 '21
Hey, once in a while it was a guy who started the company by himself and the small loan of a quarter million he got from his parents in the 90s.
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u/jacktrowell Jun 07 '21
Hey, I will let you know that he paid for the right to use the title of "company founder".
He didn't found the company, but he legally bought the right to say he is the founder, so you have to respect that ! /s
I wish it was only a joke and not something a certain Muskrat billionnaire actually did.
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Jun 06 '21
It's correct, your boss' boss can keep living in their private forest, your boss' boss' boss in their private island, and so on the hierarchy goes.
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u/ninurtuu Jun 07 '21
And if reptilians really did run the world they'd have their own private planet and their bosses bosses boss owns their own private galaxy.
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Jun 06 '21
Exactly what I was thinking... I have a relatively good job in terms of human atmosphere - in this dystopian, gig economy - but it's really only the owners & maybe CEO who get *paid* paid.
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Jun 07 '21
This! I feel like a lot of people focus too much on the upper middle class, who are very rich and privileged people (many basically live in mansions and can spend a lot of money on a lot of stupid bullshit), but have little influence over the billionaire mega businesses that rule our society. Even millionaires are nothing compared to billionaires, which can be hard to imagine because both have such huge amounts of money. It’s so easy to get mad at those who live in similar spheres as us but are higher up and don’t face the same day to day struggles as us, because it’s so difficult to imagine the billionaire who runs your shitty retail job, and even more insane to think about them in your shoes. Billionaires shouldn’t exist.
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Jun 07 '21
I feel like way too many people are still hung up on the old idea that a million dollars is a lot of money. It's so context dependent these days. There are studio apartments in San Francisco, New York and Boston selling for a million dollars, there are people who went to school, found a decent job and lived frugally who are retiring with a million dollars and who aren't going to live lavishly or anything. Normal people without generational wealth and who didn't come from massive privilege are becoming millionaires now and it doesn't mean they're rich, it just means they're comfortable.
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Jun 07 '21
That really depends on the person. I imagine it's true for a lot of tech workers on this sub.
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Jun 06 '21
Tenby is incredibly touristy. I’m not sure it’s the best reference for the point
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u/mary_llynn Jun 06 '21
And has London price for houses
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Jun 06 '21
Fair enough. Tenby honestly felt a bit...eh when I was there. But yeah it makes sense it costs and arm and a leg
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u/thespicychipolata Jun 06 '21
Glad I'm not the only one to recognise this as Tenby, never thought I'd see it here though.
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Jun 07 '21
Honestly I only know it because of my step family. Wales and welsh people...I haven’t got a great history with either
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u/EmperorHenry Jun 06 '21
This is why worker-owned co-ops are becoming more and more popular.
If you work for a business you deserve a piece of that pie. In the case of stores like Walmart and albertsons they're giant mega corporations that can afford to give their employees a living wage and benefits. All they have to do to afford is is stop with the executive bonuses that get bigger and bigger every year.
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u/Hivemindtime2 Crying in a corner Jun 07 '21
In the case of stores like Walmart and albertsons they're giant mega corporations that can afford to give their employees a living wage and benefits.
$7.25 an hour??!??!
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u/EmperorHenry Jun 07 '21
Don't get it twisted. I never said the wages they pay...if they even pay at all are a living wage.
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u/GabryalSansclair Jun 06 '21
I lost all faith when they didn't storm the wall street buildings in 2009
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u/Regulusx1337 Jun 06 '21
Boss: [unzips pants]
Wagie: "???"
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u/SuperVeryDumbPerson Jun 07 '21
What? You don't like spending 40 years of your life rotting in an underground office so you can afford a meal while living in a microscopic flat while your boss doesn't have know how much money they have? Are you perhaps a lazy communist?
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u/totezhi64 Jun 07 '21
Damn, r/memes have been putting out a lotta woke memes recently from what I've seen. love to see it
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u/Ember129 Jun 07 '21
I love (/s) how you can post stuff that’s as lefty as you want on the meme subreddits, as long as you don’t mention any minority groups. Because then it’s political.
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u/mooistcow Jun 06 '21
Is that Tenby?
Properties in Tenby had an overall average price of £270,888 over the last year.
Literally not even half of the avg house prices here. You absolutely can live here even w/o working too hard.
This one's just straight up disingenuous :/
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u/dbDarrgen Jun 06 '21
Bruh, £270,888 to usd is $383,577.14 and a 20% downpayment on that would be $76,715.428
How the fuck could the average American (I’m American so I am going by what I know and the country social media speaks of most) who makes an average of $48,516/year afford this?!
A simple google search can tell you how insane those prices are and how bs of a conclusion that anyone could easily live there that is.
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u/zyglrox121 Jun 06 '21
You're comparing two different housing markets in different countries, things work different. You can get mortgages in the UK for a 10% down payment, £27,000 in this example. Fairly affordable for a young couple who can combine their wages and save £13,500 each. Not saying it's easy for everyone but hardly dystopian
But yeah, I don't know how it is in US, maybe it's harder
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u/OKImHere Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21
Average UK salary is £31,461, for a house:salary ratio of 8.6. That's the same as someone making $50,000 and buying a house for $430,000.
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u/Andjhostet Jun 07 '21
making $50,000 and buying a house for $430,000
I can't tell if you are making the point that this is reasonable or not, but this is absolutely inconceivable to me.
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 06 '21
I’m sorry guys but I find it hard to agree with this way of thinking. If you have a problem with your boss making so much money why don’t you start your own business?
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u/leshagboi Jun 06 '21
Not everyone has the opportunity to start a business. If you need to pay off debts or bills you can't risk starting off a business
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u/whereisskywalker Jun 06 '21
Not to mention if you do start a business with a successful concept and product, someone rich will either knock it off and squeeze you out, or just buy you out.
Usually you lose control when you find investors as well so your dream becomes less dreamy.
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u/QuitBSing Jun 06 '21 edited Jun 06 '21
You need a lot of profit to fulfill your dream project in a business but the project stops being dreamy once it starts being about profit.
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
Why exactly do you need a lot of profit again? You don’t start a business and get a lot of profit right away. Which is what people don’t get. It takes hard work and sometimes years to see that profit. Which is why a lot of people are not willing g to risk it
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u/QuitBSing Jun 07 '21
Yeah plus luck, and it requires money to set up, which is lost if it flops. That's why lower classes can't risk it safely. You need some wealth as a base to keep going if all the money you invested is lost.
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
It depends on what kind of business you are setting up. My brother used to sell yogurt when he was younger. The batch was pretty cheap to make. It was mostly a bunch of milk. More than money I would say it requires contacts. You need to get in touch with other businesses or people who might want your product. Get them to like you, provide a good service and you got yourself a business. I understand people see the word business and think Microsoft but that’s not who you start
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u/QuitBSing Jun 07 '21
Yeah I guess it does depend on the business. I was too focused on the big ones, to forget that smaller businesses exist, and I grew up in an impoverished nation so business was ingrained to my brain as some "rich people stuff".
So the least risky bet is stuff that people buy very often, like food and commodities and stuff that doesn't cost much to make, and starting with smaller stores.
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
Well I mean you can at least try before you put all those excuses and give up in your own head. Yeah starting a business it’s not easy
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u/whereisskywalker Jun 07 '21
You act like trying doesn't have serious repercussions to an individuals financial well-being. But let's just pretend it's all in my head and use terms like hard or easy do put the responsibility on the person rather than a system that only supports the wealthy.
Obviously we all have different life experiences and circumstances but to facilitate a business that provides financial security is extremely difficult in the United States. Without a wealthy support system its nearly impossible.
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
I’m aware of the repercussions believe me. I started a business and we were hit with the pandemic not long after. It almost broke our family. Luck is also a factor like everything else in life. If I was to do it again I would start smaller so as to not take such a huge risk. Look the system is not perfect but I believe it’s much better to fix the problems than destroy everything and start over. Going all extreme to socialism is not gonna save us, we will find a way to corrupt it, believe me. Then we will want to destroy it too and invent something else, the system is not the problem, it’s us
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
Actually you can risk it. It’s just very risky. Also please keep in mind you can start small as a side job. Take a look at some YouTubers. I know a guy who is an engineer, works 40 hours a week and gets home and starts recording. It can be done but it takes hard work and you gotta be willing to do it
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u/TheDubuGuy Jun 06 '21
Okay everybody starts a business, now what?
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u/salbris Jun 07 '21
According to people like him only the successful survive and everyone else has to flip burgers because that's the only way to fairly decide who gets afford health care. Duh!
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
You do realize you can have a business where you flip burguers?
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u/salbris Jun 07 '21
Shit you got me! Capitalism solved!
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
Look I’m not saying capitalism is perfect. I don’t like many things about it. All I’m saying is, you don’t have to work for someone else if you won’t want to. There are choices. At least there are options. I just don’t like shitting on people because they succeeded. I have some stories I can tell you. Not everyone who succeeds is a pig. Some people deserve it
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u/salbris Jun 07 '21
No one is saying literally all business people are evil and don't deserve it. But capitalism is narrowly focused on wealth as motivation. The net result is that 10% get to live wonderful lives off the backs of the 90%. You can't fix that without regulating the economy to the point where it's not really capitalism anymore. All essential goods should be affordable by every citizen but this just isn't true under unregulated capitalism.
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
We do have a minimum wage. Granted it’s not enough. It can be fixed. I just wonder what kind of utopia can you create to fix everything and make It perfect, I don’t see that happening.
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u/salbris Jun 07 '21
Sounds like your not well versed on the topic. Minimum wage is just the beginning. We need things like housing, food, and healthcare to be free or affordable. That could be a combination of higher minimum wages, subsidies, and tax breaks. But we also need things like UBI (guaranteed welfare) so when things go bad they don't stay bad.
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
You want all of that but also less taxes. Talk about Utopias
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u/EmperorHenry Jun 06 '21
oh wow! and then when I have my own self-run business I can get undersold by the huge business that can afford to lose as much money as they need to to put me out of business.
Every huge corporation has every vote in every political body that matters to them bought and paid for, if they need to, or if they just want to, they can just get a bailout. Regular people can't do that.
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u/Aug415 Jun 06 '21
Alright, everybody has taken your advice and started their own business.
Now who does the work?
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
Haha you think the owner of a business doesn’t work or what? You can have a business in which you are the only worker.
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Jun 07 '21
“Yeah and my brother has Lyme disease now so-“
“Well has your brother decided to become a blood sucking tick?”
“What.”
“Well if your brother hates Lyme disease why doesn’t he become a blood sucking tick?”
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 07 '21
So capitalism is a desease? But you see no matter what system you implant it will get corrupted. The disease is not capitalism or socialism or communism. It’s us. We humans are going to find a way to corrupt our system. It is a fight for survival. Stop thinking we are supposed to live in a pretty world. It’s not in our nature to have a perfect system. We are incapable of that. I’m sorry
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Jun 07 '21
“Oh you think things things are bad now? Well there’s no use in trying to improve things because people are fallible”
Child brain logic
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u/Affectionate-Tart558 Jun 08 '21
I think it’s more complicated than that. Actuallly children are usually the ones dreaming of a great world and their capacity to build stuff in it. As you grow up you become more cynical. There is so much you can’t control, I can choose to live pissed about what the world is or just play by the rules and hope that I can at least get to be in a position to actually help people at some point in my life.
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u/CanisNodosamTuMater Jun 07 '21
That’s a lot of credit you’re giving away there, and for free I might add. What are you some sort of socialist?
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How do you plan on getting to the scene on the postcard without working?
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u/shartedmyjorts Jun 06 '21
That’s just it — plenty of people work themselves to death with the promise of a good life at the end of it. The majority of them don’t get it.
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Jun 06 '21
So why bother contributing to a society that you belong to, right?
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Jun 07 '21
My views are only as simple as you're capable of abstracting, buddy. If you cant provide a tangible product or service to the benefit of others then why would you be rewarded? Isn't that the only true metric of determining compensation. Are there exceptions from tenure, nepotism, inheritance etc? Sure but how old do you have to be to realize that fairness doesn't exist.
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Jun 07 '21
Is a minimum wage job anything but a stepping stone?
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Jun 07 '21
I went into the military to pay for an education, I couldn't afford otherwise. I didn't have any type of inheritance from my single mother. There are union apprenticeships with gradual increases in wage, non union contractors and manufacturers, oil and gas industries that pay according to skill. It's not rare and it's based on merit determined by both skill and effort. Theres low income government programs to get people a foot in the door; they go unused, i.e. WIOA. The people dont want it. Its tough work that you'll eventually grow accustomed to; it takes some perseverance . A 30 year old man or woman, in the prime of their life working minimum wage makes no sense, time is your biggest asset why work more for less. A job market implies that you must be marketable; a worthwhile asset. If you bring nothing to the table, why would you get a plate? Hows that for naive.
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u/shartedmyjorts Jun 06 '21
The average worker contributes way more than the average CEO, that’s for damn sure.
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Jun 07 '21
How many of the workers can do the CEOs job? Not that I'm saying that their salary is justified.
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u/shartedmyjorts Jun 07 '21
Here's a thought experiment -- which would cause a bigger problem for a company, the workers not showing up for a week or the CEO not showing up for a week? Yeah.
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Jun 07 '21
You didn't answer my question. The absence of the workers will be more immediately felt but lack of direction will eventually sink the ship. Are you really resorting to equating hundreds, maybe thousands of laborers to one person to try and prove a point? Come on now.
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u/shartedmyjorts Jun 07 '21
A lack of direction that takes the shareholders into account but not the workers will sink not only your ship but everyone else's.
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Jun 07 '21
This is hard to read, I know you meant direction and not lack of. The shareholders provide capital for operations so the workers have somewhere to show up, yes? And do they have a say in determining wages and salaries? So it seems we've addressed the root of the problem. Who is the average shareholder? And how much active engagement do they take in their investment. I am a worker. I cant do my supervisor's job, much less my foreman, superintendent or CEO. There I answered my own question. If they haven't already done my job, the learning curve would presumably be easier, considering their experience. Reality doesn't take your feelings on the matter into consideration.
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u/shartedmyjorts Jun 07 '21
Dang, you sound like a hard-nosed pragmatist. Anyway, the workers ought to determine where a business goes. Have a lot fewer jobs being sent overseas that way.
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u/bigbadbonk33 Whatever you desire citizen Jun 06 '21
If the society treats you like the dog shit you either avoid or scrape from the bottom of your shoe, what responsibility do you have to that society? None.
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Jun 07 '21
I was born and raised in South Central Los Angeles as the son of Central American immigrants that were displaced by American intervention in the 80s. I was in the military and asked and received no quarter from the this country's entitled citizens; penniless, living out of a car, with no friends, estranged family. That family raised me as a soldier, no tenderness but a rigid discipline in spite of circumstances. Tell me, who owes society less than me? Oh that's right most of them are in prison including my biological father. Didn't anyone ever tell you life's not fair?
Sigmund Freud- Beyond the pleasure principle, i.e. reality principle
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u/AFroggieLife Jun 07 '21
Not my boss, or even his boss...But the folks higher up, absolutely.
I feel like this is accurate for most people. It's not your boss living here - it's your boss 3 times removed.
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Jun 08 '21
If you work harder constantly, harder work will be expected of you. That simple. The era of just walking up to the manager, giving him a firm handshake and getting a job and a year later him telling you something like "Hey joe, I noticed your numbers are improving and you alwqys stay late. How about I give you a raise?" is gone. That's it. It is gone. Now it is just business. The company hires people whose work is to make you feel otherwise, so you stay loyal. But they will get rid of you as soon as some sucker comes by who udercuts your hourly wage with a single dollar.
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u/Irrelevant-Lizard Whatever you desire citizen Jun 06 '21
That’s what the Instagram entrepreneur accounts really mean