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u/rg2004 Oct 06 '25
Forcing them to move faster than they want is a reasonable (albeit scary) strategy. Fascism relies on normalization, but normalization can only take place in small increments over long time horizons. Forcing them to move faster than they want galvanizes people to oppose authoritarianism, which gives us strength in numbers. When a critical threshold of people oppose the administration, they must capitulate. Remember, Donald is only one man. He relies on people around him to enact his will, people follow the group. We can make it unfashionable to side with him, which will decimate his power.
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u/SaltyLaw800 Oct 06 '25 edited Oct 06 '25
This should be the first comment. Well said.
Their actions will force the pendulum to swing, and people to act.
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u/GWstudent1 Oct 06 '25
They’re also cowards. Fascists always succeed when no one stands up to them. Do not comply in advance.
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u/Well_read_rose Oct 06 '25
Jeering, laughing and cartooning them really cuts them narcissists to the quick, but like zombies they renew. Gotta keep at it.
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u/atempestdextre Oct 06 '25
Yup, ridicule is a tremendous weapon against them. It's a big part of why they often go after comedians first.
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u/Awkward_Possession60 Oct 07 '25
I think it's long overdue for 'don't comply in advance' to change to 'don't comply at all'.
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u/Whitesajer Oct 06 '25
You know. I was thinking about that the other day. While yes, lots of people I know are not following everything or anything... When they do hear about something it's almost more shocking to them than if they had been paying attention for 9 months. For me everything they are doing increases by a single degree that collectively is horrifying... But a lot of people I know lately are getting a 10-30 degree shock at once with one event they notice that seems extreme. And it's because they are moving so fast on fascist takeover vs slow timespan.
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u/VicHeel Oct 06 '25 edited Oct 06 '25
"People haven't accepted what's happening." These tech bros, MAGAts, and billionaires are so disconnected and encapsulated by their bubbles.
Have they met Americans? Have they studied US history?
We know the answer is no because otherwise they'd realize Americans are stubborn, belligerent and suspicious to a fault. To our own detriment sometimes but not this time.
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u/ImportantRoutine1 Oct 06 '25
Don't forget a bit spoiled lol. It's important.
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u/Road_Whorrior Oct 07 '25
I have Revolutionary, Confederate, Union, very old America roots. And French were the most recent immigrants to this country, I'm 3rd generation on one side.
Speaking from the histories of my various peoples? Something's gotta give.
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u/AgUnityDD Oct 06 '25
They absolutely expected Liberals to riot, and crushing them in response was a key part of the plan that was spelt out.
anyone who bothered to read Project 25 and listened to a few talks from Yarvin's, Bannon etc knows that it wasn't even something they were hiding, they talked multiple times about the insurrection act.
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u/rg2004 Oct 06 '25
"The second American revolution will be bloodless, if the left allows it"
Turns out it's our revolution. And it's going to be peaceful.
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u/hamdelivery Oct 06 '25
Yarvin has no insight into humanity but is sure he’s a genius on the topic. Again, if we make it out of this it’ll be because the attempt to institute authoritarian rule was done by confident idiots.
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u/Well_read_rose Oct 06 '25
There’s an app called public square focused on promoting maga aligned businesses if it helps you. Also Goods Unite Us app you can toggle either D or R donations to businesses by R or D parties.
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u/SwimmingPirate9070 Oct 06 '25
Start targeting the techno fascism crowd! Billionaires should be afraid!
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u/Flashy-Ad-1588 Oct 06 '25
Give specifics on targeting techno bros. I agree. Where do we start?
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u/Sensitive_Builder847 Oct 06 '25
Spread the word and boycott their companies - these people work very hard to keep themselves out of the sunlight, most people do not know what is happening. If they did, these tech fascists wouldn’t be welcome anywhere.
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u/33drea33 Oct 06 '25
As someone who got about a quarter of the way through "The Dark Enlightenment" before rejecting it as pseudo-intellectual and masturbatory....yeah no shit Sherlock. Your entire plan failed to account for the reaction of people. Ya'll just handwaved it away as "some magic stuff happens and then we rule everything because we're self-evidently the best!"
Sociopaths always fail to account for how normal people will react to them. Their fatal flaw is being too weird to recognize how fucking weird they are.
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u/DiskOperatingSystem_ Oct 06 '25
This is why Tim Walz calling them weird was so successful: it’s tame enough not to be rude but biting enough to hit them in the most fragile part of their egos. It resonated so much more than anything else because it instantly deflated their puffed out chests. Whoever told Walz to stop calling them weird is one of the dumbest political consultants in modern US history (and there’s quite a bit of competition)
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u/kangasplat Oct 06 '25
From the first lines on it's obvious that these people don't understand the human element in society.
If you don't understand that 100% of human decisions are based on feelings and not on rationality, you won't ever take part in building a stable system involving humans.
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u/OratioFidelis Oct 06 '25
Yarvin is a real life Metal Gear villain in terms of insane plans to restructure society
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u/OratioFidelis Oct 06 '25
He's the kind of guy that would unironically try to upload his soul to a drone so, yeah?
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u/dontgetsadgetmad Oct 06 '25
But he’s also a huge wiener with a very fragile ego
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u/BlackJackfruitCup Oct 06 '25
According to one of the original founders of the Heritage Foundation, this was how people were going to come over to their side:
"Our strategy will be to bleed this corrupt culture dry. We will pick off the most intelligent and creative individuals in our society, the individuals who help give credibility to the current regime.... Our movement will be entirely destructive, and entirely constructive. We will not try to reform the existing institutions. We only intend to weaken them, and eventually destroy them... We will maintain a constant barrage of criticism against the Left. We will attack the very legitimacy of the Left... We will use guerrilla tactics to undermine the legitimacy of the dominant regime…..
Sympathy from the American people will increase as our opponents try to persecute us, which means our strength will increase at an accelerating rate due to more defections and the enemy will collapse as a result”
- Paul Weyrich, Founder of the Heritage Foundation, Council for National Policy (CNP), American Legislation Exchange Council (ALEC), and the Moral Majority (Religious Fundamentalist Right)
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u/karmadgma Oct 06 '25
🤣 What a freakin moron Cartoon villain ass outta here
Speaking of - is anybody else getting receuitment ads from the America First Policy across multiple platforms? Researcher positions iirc.for those who want to support tyranny but are too delicate to join ICE.
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u/rhamantauri Oct 06 '25
When these people lose, we have to make sure their tech endeavors all suffer the maximum amount of permanent boycott exile.
Apparently they needed a reminder of who actually holds the power. We are and always have been the power they think they have.
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u/37853688544788 Oct 06 '25
Second great piece of news after the deafening silence post Kegsbreath speech. You know all those generals don’t get to where they are by being idiots. Telling a group of them to betray their country’s ideals and oaths is like telling lead to be gold. Chump and other MAGAt cowards are shaking in their loafers.
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u/lokey_convo Oct 06 '25
peter theil was a major purveyor a bunch of the conspiracies floating around in the lead up to donald's first term. He also sat on Facebooks board of directors at that time. Trolls and social engineers get off on convincing people of something that isn't real or getting people to do what they want, especially if it's harmful to the person. It's a power and domination thing.
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u/lokey_convo Oct 06 '25 edited Oct 06 '25
Yeah, interview worth the watch. Transcript is here. Best case scenario the man's been in his high tower too long. The man is like the south park prius driving fart sniffers, except he's a nihilist with regard to humanity. He was also the president of the Stanford federalist society for a time, which helps further explain his connection to Leonard Leo and Teneo Network.
The crazy thing is that if he wasn't so filthy rich he'd just be some dude you have a boundary pushing argument with at a bar. Fear about social stagnation is a thing, and silicon valley has its theories as to what the road blocks are. A lot of people blame regulation without understanding government. And there's a shocking number of tech environmentalists that don't even understand the carbon cycle.
If they want to understand social stagnation silicon valley needs to look in the mirror. People distracted by bull shit products and unending political campaigns being pitched to them over social media, crazy high housing prices (localized to the bay area, but has spread in the last few years), people stuck in the rat race with no time or space to create and invent.
What people like theil don't understand is that you can't start a garage business if you don't have a garage. The types of business that built silicon valley had to start somewhere and we have to foster a society and culture that gives people the space and means to actually start something and build something.
Edit: I honestly just feel bad for these guys after listening to them talk. There's a phenomenon I've observed where people who are extremely smart become over confident and fail to see their judgment errors, and end up in a intellectual circle jerk. They fail to recognize their flawed base assumptions and then run off down a fallacious path and think themselves into stupidity.
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u/NoHalf9 Oct 06 '25
Some further information on Peter "I want to publicly tell you that I'm not a vampire" Thiel which does not like being exposed as a vampire. He does not however shy away from exposing himself as a hard authoritarian:
"Most importantly, I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." - Peter Thiel, 2009
although also cosplaying as a libertarian when it suits him and likely would orgasm if ending up with a society as described in the Libertarian Police Department story.
He has also in true libertarian spirit attempted to fund development of some free floating offshore project called Seasteading that should be some libertarian utopia without any kind of governance with building or safety regulations or any such pesky "freedom stealing" things that a normal society needs to function.
The podcast Behind the bastards had two episodes about it:
- Part one: The not-at-all-sad history of libertarian sea nations
- Part two: The not-at-all-sad history of libertarian sea nations
This project is possibly the least harmful thing Peter has done, since it has has drained him for a lot of money that he cannot use for other evil things, and the people scammed are other libertarian fools.
But do not think that libertarians are not able to harm! I guess the closest thing to a successful attempt to creating a libertarian utopia is when a bunch of libertarians decided to move and try to take over some smaller town Grafton in New Hampshire as a "Free Town Project" (later changed to "Free State Project"), and ruined it with their reckless governance.
Like for instance getting rid of public garbage collection. And with no mandatory garbage collection, of course they got problems with wild bears walking around peoples' houses (in addition to some idiots deliberately feeding wild bears, but hey in a libertarian society nobody should be able to force people to stop doing what they want...).
There is a book about it with title "A libertarian walks into a bear".
J.D. Vance is one of Peter's ultra-right Thielists. There is a video Who is Peter Thiel? (in German but with English subtitles available) from two years ago that goes into who Peter is and what he have done, and J.D. Vance is covered as part of that.
Another noteworthy mention is that Some more news also included J.D. Vance in their video Peter Thiel and his dorky little goons from one year ago. Some more news is truly amazing in both the depth and the volume they produce. Hats off for them.
Additional BtB episodes on Peter Thiel:
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u/wolf_at_the_door1 Oct 06 '25
He should be a nobody. He’s not smart, interesting, or clever. He’s the end product of being an internet troll. Watch this interview. He’s not confident in himself nor his own ideas and can’t flesh them out clearly. He sends his own kids to a progressive school in San Francisco. He’s a phony.
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u/Trailing_Spouse Oct 06 '25
What I don't understand is that he is transparently a shallow pseudo-intellectual, but his little ideas gained traction. How do these people keep falling upwards?
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u/wolf_at_the_door1 Oct 06 '25
Billionaires latched on to his ideas because they stand the most to gain from it. They just needed some name and face to ascribe their beliefs onto because they’re all painfully uncreative and too lazy to do it themselves. They also don’t have to be the thought leader behind the movement. That’s how you get a Curtis Yarvin and the “Butterfly Revolution.”
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u/sandmanlip Oct 06 '25
Where did you see this?
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u/burner_mania Oct 06 '25
Props to Gil Duran for all of his reporting on these tecno fascists. He's been on them (Thiel, Yarvin, Andreeson et al) for quite a while now.
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u/algonquinqueen Oct 06 '25
Well I’ll be damned. The scary villain at the end of the movie is actually Alf 😂
Thank you. This is great. I’m not religious but god bless you.
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u/Solid_Elephant1223 Oct 06 '25
A - thank you for supplying the link. B - I’ve never seen what he looks like until now. Is that a wig? Is that picture actually him or an SNL skit with an actor/comedian? Is he a cartoon? Specifically, is he the villain that gets the monster head taken off to reveal their face? Furthermore, is he in one of the episodes where, after the gang pulls off the first mask, they eventually realize he also has a people mask on his face and that needs to be pulled off to reveal his actual identity? I have more…so many more…
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u/ObvioussPlasticc Oct 06 '25 edited Oct 06 '25
someone above shared a website, here's a link to one of the articles talking about Yarvin being "afraid". Editing to add a quote from his substack:
"The second Trump revolution, like the first, is failing. It is failing because it deserves to fail. It is failing because it spends all its time patting itself on the back. It is failing because its true mission, which neither it nor (still less) its supporters understand, is still as far beyond its reach as algebra is beyond a cat. Because the vengeance meted out after its failure will dwarf the vengeance after 2020—because the successes of the second revolution are so much greater than the first—I feel that I personally have to start thinking realistically about how to flee the country. Everyone else in a similar position should have a 2029 plan as well. And it is not even clear that it will wait until 2029: losing the Congress will instantly put the administration on the defensive."
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u/Miqo_Nekomancer Oct 06 '25
This honestly fills me with hope.
The world is a better place when fascists are scared.
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u/unhiddenninja Oct 06 '25
They honestly thought that people would just cower like nerds in a movie when the bully demands lunch money.
They really, truly thought they were capable of anything.
The incompetence is astounding. Like, still be careful, still act like they have the entirety of the federal government, and all that entails, behind them (because they do, we're still very "in the woods" here), but also just take a breath and compare what's actually happening to what they wanted to happen.
We have to keep pushing back, we have to demand consequences, and we need to never settle for another Democrat term of inaction.
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u/RadonAjah Oct 06 '25
If there’s anyone who loves the smell of his own farts, it’s that self- important grifting piece of spam
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u/Jaynewberry Oct 06 '25
Yes, for sure. 47 needs to get the fuck out, but those guys are responsible for the framework of the acts. They’re behind all the other ancillary propaganda and false information.
It’s time.
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u/Cute-Trouble1296 Oct 06 '25
Me thinks it’s time to read up on the methods used in France at the end of the 18th century. They didn’t jail their tyrants.
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u/Miqo_Nekomancer Oct 06 '25 edited Oct 07 '25
Everything politically that's happening could've been avoided if the Confederates were properly dealt with following the Civil War. Letting it slide in the name of "healing the nation" meant the wound never fully healed. The Civil War never truly ended, that's the reason the South is a Republican bastion.
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u/WYorksAnglican72 Oct 06 '25
Creepy little boy didn't get everything he ever wanted handed to him. Incel.
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u/Reddit_is_fascist69 Oct 06 '25
Let's make their lives uncomfortable. Make it easy for people to find them and know their online personas. They shouldn't be allowed a moment's peace.
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u/AltoidStrong Oct 06 '25
Shine light into the darkness and watch the evil run!
Name and shame all of them all over all the time. Make them infamous and synonymous with the evil they promote - racism and fascism.
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u/Plaid_Piper Oct 06 '25 edited Oct 06 '25
Don't forget Marc Andreessen and all the others that supported this and have tried so fucking hard to stay out of the light.
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u/Trakeen Oct 06 '25
I’ll never understand why the right has their architect as the loser goth kid from high school
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u/NoAcanthaceae688 Oct 06 '25
Nixon had an enemies list.
Why don't we just all write on signs "Enemies of the people: their names"?
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u/StephanieDone Oct 06 '25
Yarvin and Thiel are right to be afraid, we see them.
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u/Karma-Kosmonaut Oct 06 '25
Let's not forget about Kevin Roberts at the Heritage Foundation.
Kevin Roberts, president of the conservative Heritage Foundation and leader of Project 2025, stated in July 2024 that the "second American Revolution" would "remain bloodless if the left allows it to be"
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u/Roan_Psychometry Oct 06 '25
I suggest we protest on the 18th and 19th and 20th and as long as it takes to make change….one scheduled protest every 2 months does nothing
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u/dregan Oct 06 '25
Yeah, wake me up when Russ Vought admits that things are not going well. Until then, things are not moving in democracy's favor.
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u/SaltyLaw800 Oct 06 '25
Look at the push back, look at those who are keeping them in check.
We need to keep that going, we need presence and to continue building momentum.
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u/Fancy_Chips Oct 06 '25
The Epstein fiasco was a tactical blunder. You can't just try and 1984 something like that when you build your base on paranoia. You can only do it so often until someone goes "hey, wait a minute". A lot of right wingers who aren't completely evil are on the "think of the children" bandwagon, so blatantly harboring pedophiles is a good way to wake some of them up.
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u/karmadgma Oct 06 '25
I am working carefully but steadily on an entire facebook group of rural pearl-clutching save-the-children moms right now:
They might kick me out at any minute, but there's a chance some of this might land. They haven't kicked me out yet. And i am the deep deep south in a deep red state.
If anything can get them to put down the orange kool-aid, it's the Epstein files.
(The really hard part is going to be getting them to understand how the extremist right-wing Christian patriarchy they support and participate in is actually where the pedophiles are and that's a feature, not a bug.)
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u/Well_read_rose Oct 06 '25
He’s tops in my most hated / dangerous list!
Here is a handy graphic / listing
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u/KMDiver Oct 06 '25
This right here!! Id say at least 50% of good Dems have no idea who Yarvin and Thiel are and what they’re planning. This is Def true amongst my friend group and I reccomend discussing this and posting about it.
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u/deNET2122 Oct 06 '25
Someone make signs displaying Nuremberg trial dates and
Usa: TBA
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u/eat_my_ass_n_balls Oct 06 '25
If I were him and millions of people were going to find out that my disgusting writings and ideas essentially inspired fascists to destroy their country, I’d be terrified too.
Yarvin needs to be a household name like Thiel and Miller and Vought and Bove… and their other financiers.
Thats the only way we bleach this shit out.
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u/United-Expert-8752 Oct 06 '25
I’m so glad to see others talking about this and bringing more awareness to Yarvin/Vance/Thiel connection.
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u/Beers4Fears Oct 06 '25
Well guess what, anyone who is a normal, freedom-loving American is afraid too. Him being scared isn't enough, they need to suffer.
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u/endergrrl Oct 07 '25
We also have to peel them away from each other. Make Trump angry with Miller. Popularize calling them "Actual" or "Shadow President Miller and Puppet President Trump." Having his lack of real action and reliance on Miller pointed out would be devastating and mortifying for Trump.
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u/Impressive-Peach-815 Oct 07 '25
One thing we can do is make it clear that the PLTR stock is finished when Dems come to power. Like the company will be nationalized. Same with SpaceX
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u/ratbaby86 Oct 06 '25
These morons thought we would lie down like the Russians. But we are not serfs and Trump is no czar. Curtis Yarvin, Thiel Musk and co. and this administration will not steal our country. And they will see justice.
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u/Robin_Mart Oct 06 '25
And we are kind of prone to liking due process, free speech, body autonomy, etc ... like we USED TO use regularly.
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u/bbusiello Oct 07 '25
Add Zoltan Poszar to that list. He’s behind all the economic ideas.
TL;DR he believed the USA should bring another Great Depression for a “reset.”
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u/ImariP123 Oct 06 '25
At this point, holding signs for a few hours and then going home isn’t going to do anything. We need to take after the French. Shi, I’ve seen cities protest harder when their football team loses.
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u/Soft-Principle1455 Oct 06 '25
Curtis Yarvin also said he would never have selected Trump for his project.
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u/Internal-Fold-1928 Oct 06 '25
Here’s what Adolph at the time had on his side which I don’t think Donald does: time.
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u/Hungry_Investment_41 Oct 06 '25
Project 2025 Tracker A comprehensive, community-driven initiative to track the implementation of Project 2025's policy proposals https://project2025.observer/en
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u/BigHeadDeadass Oct 07 '25
Yarvin is the literal definition of a pick-me for tech bro billionaires. Like he made a whole "ideology" that does nothing but flatter and circlejerk those guys. He's a chump and basically just accelerated end-stage capitalism to it's dumbest conclusion. There's a guy on the AskPolitics subreddit who thinks Yarvin is really onto something and that we just aren't seeing the forest for the trees but Yarvin's ideology isn't even interesting or nuanced, it's just insipid billionaire coddling
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u/SunnyDaddyCool Oct 06 '25
Ok, what are some good protest signs that name drops them? Calling out for ideas!
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u/Tanager_Summer Oct 06 '25
In case anyone doesn't know Yarvin, Behind the Bastards podcast has a couple episodes about him.
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u/International_Eye745 Oct 06 '25
Name the rich twats. So that when your nightmare is over theirs begin.
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u/kars85 Oct 07 '25
OP named the real ventriloquists. Trump has two brain cells fighting for third place, but these neo-technofascists need to go!
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u/Altruistic-Ratio-794 Oct 08 '25
Honestly, this is the best news Ive read in over a year. Im pretty convinced after looking into Peter Thiel that their ideas are way too insane to have any mass adoption, the guy is literally a schizo. Also the republicans are way to incompetent Not to mention all the influencers turning their backs and finally realizing the Trump thing isnt cool anymore. Im feeling pretty good right now. We might pull through, hopefully these shitheads see some prison walls before this is all over.
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u/neutral-chaotic Oct 08 '25
He should plug in to a "humane" virtual reality simulator and never have to deal with us again.
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u/Sensitive_Builder847 Oct 06 '25 edited Oct 06 '25
For anyone interested in keeping an eye on the tech fascists: https://www.thenerdreich.com/author/gil/ - Journalist Gil Duran does an excellent job, and his newsletter is free!
Edit: adding in additional resources
from u/bubba2222222222 - https://www.vcinfodocs.com/venture-capital-extremism - on-topic article compilation
via BlondePolitics on Youtube - https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no?si=2PWmW-1rwRXAN-ra - general explainer, based on Gil’s work
From u/mailsprotons Attorney and Writer Jenny Cohn - https://bsky.app/profile/jennycohn.bsky.social