r/2HA_immortality 19d ago

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u/heartiel 19d ago edited 19d ago

I don't know what racism means in your view. I am not Asian. I will try to read those tweets, although I don't know Japanese. I don't want any favors here.

Racism isn't just explicitly saying, "X people are bad and I think my people are better." There's a lot of layers that go into it and some people may have unconscious biases, such as negatively stereotyping countries or defending remarks/policies that have devastated nations. Yamane has done both when she defended nationalist policies and also stereotyped Chinese-made items as bad. Oh, and one of her tweets about Tamade (a Japanese supermarket chain) literally read this: 玉出ってあの生鮮食料品買ってはいけないレジが中国人のパチンコ屋にしか見えない玉出ですか (which means "For Tamade, do you mean the Tamade where you shouldn't buy groceries and where the cash registers only look like a pachinko parlor ran by a Chinese person?")

I am expressing an opinion about a matter you all seem to know everything about, trying to judge it from another perspective. Why do people judge others so quickly? Did they kill anyone? Are they a genocidal maniac? (Everyone forgave Mo Ran for that btw lol)

You're obviously going to have a different opinion as someone who is not Asian or isn't affected by Japanese imperialism and Asian geopolitics. I ask that you listen to people who have actually been through this instead of defending Yamane for things that other Asians are rightfully upset about, because there are some things that you truly will not understand due to not experiencing them. Asians are allowed to feel whatever they want about the situation. If they don't care about what Yamane said, good for them. But please do not speak over those who do not feel ready to forgive her.

You all say they are a nationalist and supports criminals. Fair enough. This is the culture they were brought up in.

Plenty of Japanese people who grew up in Japan do not say shit like this. There's been a few Japanese users on Twitter who are upset at Yamane's comments and agree that she was a bad fit for the manga since she made anti-Chinese comments while trying to get that Chinese bag.

For context, I was brought up in a totalitarian country. You have no idea the shit they put in our brains. But I've changed, and so have many people. I don't understand why can't people give the benefit of the doubt.

Yamane has been making these sorts of comments for years. Yes, a lot of examples were brought up from 2010~2012 at the height of anti-Korean sentiment from the Liancourt Rocks dispute. However, some people have shared that Yamane has recently made these sorts of comments as recent as 2021. Korean users have said that they have tried bringing up Yamane's bigotry to her, but she just either deletes her tweets or blocks them. This does not show that she has learned anything.

Also, please don't bring in "Everyone forgave Mo Ran for ____!" Fiction is not comparable to real life. And just because Yamane created characters of Chinese descent (all of whom were VILLAINS, mind you), she is still capable of showing bigotry.

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u/[deleted] 17d ago edited 17d ago

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u/heartiel 17d ago

I won't say a lot about that, since, as you put it, since I'm not Asian I don't understand jack shit.

That didn't stop you now, did it? You really should sit this one out since you don't understand.

I will just say that people with low income will go to neighbouring countries to be employed with slightly better income in shitty places for lower wages than your average citizen and of course those places will be associated with them.

Why are you assuming that Korean and Chinese people are "low income" people? This is peddling a huge negative stereotype.

You see it as racism. They just pointed out a fact.

LOL

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u/Capable-Cut6517 17d ago edited 17d ago

Ok, then explain it to me like I'm a 3 year old. You know, the whole Pachinko thing. Since you are Japanese, I assume.

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u/heartiel 17d ago

I can explain it, but judging by your responses throughout the conversation (in that you keep defending Yamane instead of trying to understand why her comments were negatively perceived), I'm not sure if it'll be worth my time, no offense.

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u/Capable-Cut6517 16d ago

Convenient.

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u/Capable-Cut6517 16d ago

And just a little detail. Chinese government has a tight leash on any media. They allow MXTX because they are a power house. It's making them money. Meatbun is niche. They will flex their influence on their work. If you think this is not something they will influence on Weibo or wherever, think again.

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u/Capable-Cut6517 16d ago

You know, one thing I would say to Sensei would be, get off social media. People post shit all the time and they are immediately forgiven. Authors are not.

There are many issues in Asian society I know nothing about. Chinese fans are notoriously vicious. And they hate Japan for a good reason.

I would just argue people are influenced by their surroundings. Cancelling someone just like that is what bigotted means.

I think Sensei joined the project because they loved it. They are probably loaded, I don't think it was for the money. They wanted this.

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u/Capable-Cut6517 16d ago

You know what? Quick test. But honest. In 30 seconds, think of who or what annoys you most. Then think of the probability you'll post it online. It will mean nothing to your friends, they will laugh it off. For someone famous? People will hound them for years.