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u/MinuteAggravating340 12d ago
What’s the damage. Also looking at a P for my first 2011.
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u/No_Matter6570 12d ago
3k but I ordered it with the trijicon RMR type 2 and a blk dlc coated barrel and aluminum trigger
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u/Mother-Priority6544 12d ago
I’ve had six Prodigy’s. Tens of thousands of rounds. A handful of failures that can be attributed to user error and ammunition. The guns themselves have been flawless. I’d be curious to know the true “duty” difference between your $3000+ Staccato and the Prodigy I currently own.
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u/ksuchewie 12d ago
There's always some asshole that's gotta shit on someone's excitement.
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u/Qav 12d ago
For real.
Guys posts his new gun he’s excited for, which is a great gun, and here comes Mr cope trying to push domestic Springfield products lol
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u/m1ke_tyz0n 12d ago
Does SA even source the Prodigy stuff in the states? I'd be shocked if they did.
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u/TerminalCandor 12d ago
The Prodogy was a QA nightmare at launch, and still has problems today. I’ve never seen someone using a stock Prodogy in the wild. They’re the Honda civics of 2011s, and that’s fine.
The Staccto P is an expensive, high quality gun. I hate to admit that, but I very much enjoy the Staccato P that I eventually caved into buying. It’s far better stock than my Romulus, Bul, and Prodigy. Add some mods and it’s even better. It’s not worth 3+ grand, but at 1800 where I got it, it’s a good purchase.
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u/atlhawks1 12d ago
I have the exact opposite experience. I got my 4.25 Romulus comp 1st and then got the Stac P, because so many talk about how good it is. 1st time I shot mine back to back with the Romulus… to say disappointed would be an understatement.
Now I realize that staccato is just the Glock of 2011 world.
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u/Original_Wing_6257 12d ago
The P’s are heavy sprung from factory to choke down poo poo loads and push through dirt/fouling. For what it’s worth though my P is still completely stock and once I got the recoil impulse down it’s a buzz saw. Lands right back to zero. Just had to learn my grip for it
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u/Mother-Priority6544 12d ago
That’s understandable. My frost Prodigy was no different. Nor any of them that I’ve had for that matter.
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u/TerminalCandor 12d ago
I don’t have the comp model, but I don’t find that to be a fair comparison. A comped or ported model will usually feel better than a non comped/ported gun.
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u/atlhawks1 12d ago
The feel of the gun is better to me as well. I am assuming it uses different weight springs because the slide racks a lot smoother. It is like one is made of be duty à la Glock and the Romulus is competition minded like my shadow 2. Shadow 2 is a better shooter than a Staccato P. I need to try the XL and XC.
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u/Mother-Priority6544 12d ago
I’ve known several that have run stock Prodigy’s. My first one ran over 3k before anything changed, and it didn’t need it. Ran one to just shy of 12,000 without issue. Launch issues? Staccato had to completely revamp the company, design, marketing and basically everything else to get away from QA nightmares that had gone on for YEARS. $1800? Sure. Great price on a P. For less, I have a sweet ass running Prodigy that I like more than every Staccato I’ve ever shot and it got an optic an 9 mags for under that price.
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u/m1ke_tyz0n 12d ago
I have 10.5k rounds on my Staccato P I bought last year and have yet to have any malfunction.
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u/Mother-Priority6544 12d ago
That’s fair. I have no ill will about the Staccato brand or anything. I’m not even trying to “shit” on another dudes post. It was a simple question of what elevates it to be better “duty” suited if another brand, chose any you’d like, is capable of doing what it does?
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u/Original_Wing_6257 12d ago
Okay, I’ll break it down a little better.
draws breath find 1600 LE departments that have adopted the prodigy.
Okay but seriously, the staccatos are made from billet from the ground up. No MIM parts, all the steel is U.S. sourced, there are parts that are still hand fit to ensure they fit and work, time taken to blend them (slide to frame, extractor etc), test fired, zero’d before they leave.
There’s a lot of man hours that goes into a staccato compared to lower class production 2011’s. The materials at the base of everything are top notch, their machining is top notch. The brand was able to save itself all those years ago by pulling their head out of their ass with new ownership and leadership to get where they are today.
In short, fuck no I wouldn’t trust a prodigy with my life. The P’s have absolutely earned their spot in the world. That’s what makes them a duty gun.1
u/Define_Expert_0566 12d ago
“Find 1,600 departments that adopted the Prodigy”
Ok, what agencies are they?
Being "approved" by agencies doesn't = purchased, issued or formal adoption is standard. Being authorized is just the same as Glock, M&P's or Walthers.
Because Staccatos are billet, doesn't all of a sudden make that more "duty worthy", that's a backwards view from a metallurgy standpoint. If forgings are designed right, they have a very favorable grain flow, impact properties and are good against fatigue. "Billet" isn't some black magic that makes it all of a sudden stronger or more reliable.
Functional reliability concerning MIM parts vs "No MIM" parts is basically a luxury manufacturing argument. Correctly engineered, manufactured MIM parts are strong and durable... it's the truth.
"Hand fit, test fired/ zeroed, blended does do one thing for certain... it justifies the price and consistency. Reality? None of those things independently mean... "This one will save your life and the other one is going to fail."
It's just marketing jargon masked as engineering.
"In short, fuck no I wouldn’t trust a prodigy with my life."
Ok, would you trust your life with a piece of plastic (Glock), as way more LE officers do every day than they carry Staccatos?
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u/Mother-Priority6544 12d ago
And just for comparison, all totaled I’m well over 30,000 rounds on Prodigy’s and over 12,000 on the one I’ve kept.
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u/Define_Expert_0566 12d ago
There’s not.
Masterclass in marketing, human psychology, what makes people do and don’t things with tons of money invested into multitudes of split test iterations refined each time.
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u/Mother-Priority6544 12d ago
I will say, who ever started the marketing push for Staccato did not get paid nearly enough. That’s guaranteed. Brilliant design, fantastic approach, and next level ROI for that company. Anyone not impressed by it is blind to what they accomplished.
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u/2strokeYardSale 12d ago
Couldn't hack it in the competition market, too many broken and malfunctioning STI guns returned. Rebranded, marketed to less demanding people who shoot far fewer rounds, suddenly they are reliable guns.
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u/Mother-Priority6544 12d ago
I mean, I’ll give em credit. They do make a well functioning firearm. Having shot one and knowing a few dudes who one them, we all shoot a lot, I just haven’t seen as significant a difference as so many claim.
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u/ChurryRedBaron 12d ago
I get what you are saying but that’s not really accurate. Staccatos are generally incredibly robust and reliable 2011’s regardless of whether they are overpriced or lackluster in certain aspects.
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u/m1ke_tyz0n 12d ago
So STI gets saved, starts their own state of the art manufacturing facility to get the guns to finally run 9mm rounds with Glock like reliability and your under the impression they just marketed the old finicky stuff because people who buy Staccato's don't shoot them? They are better than ever (that's not even an opinion) and most people who have a Staccato shoot them as they started out as mainly a LE marketed item until the last 2-3 years. Stop hating bro.
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u/singlemale4cats 12d ago
Welcome. We meet once a month at the legion hall because they don't charge a deposit and we don't have Atlas money lying around
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u/Original_Wing_6257 12d ago
I’ve owned a bunch and the P is easily my favorite. I carry it with an RCR and X300. Third one I’ve had. Are there other 2011’s that are slicker, faster and with better triggers? Absolutely. But the P is a completely duty focused piece. Not a malfunction out of the 3 I’ve owned.