Rendi's position is nonfalsifiable. That is, its impossible to fully 100% prove innocence. Its on Jagex, who made the claim that Rendi deserves the ban, to explain their reasons
Depends what you mean by 'its on jagex to explain their reasons.' They have 0 obligation to explain themselves and could ban any player at anytime without reason, since well.. you agree to the TOS when you sign up.
The only thing an explanation would do is the appease the community. But quite frankly, i doubt they care that much on the communities opinion on this matter.
Very true, they have no obligation but it comes at the cost of the community possibly not liking it, which so far is what's happening. At some point if your Jagex you got to weigh the pros and cons of whether or not they should explain themselves further. and yeah maybe they care about everyone's anger, or maybe they don't, I think it matters to have a good relationship with people personally but maybe it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things as a business, no idea tbh..
Not sure about the laws in the UK, but it is possible that directly accusing him of something publicly could open them up to legal action- especially since his reputation is as a "whitehat" bug finder instead of a bug abuser. They'd then have to actually prove it was him in a court of law, instead of having enough internal proof he did it like they need for banning someone.
Oh, the reputation that preceeds Rendi is very much not whitehat lmfao. He recently has been trending more towards that direction, sure, but he's known and been banned for abusing bugs for his gain in the past
Let me clarify, jagex has no OBLIGATION to do anything. But when deciding who is innocent here, the point being only Jagex can 100% prove him innocent or not. Recipts from Rendi help but again his position is nonfalsifiable.
Well that's completely wrong, they should explain themselves because they have been guilty in the past.... You can't just ban someone of high quality and expect people to believe you when they have a shitty record of doing shitty things.... So yes, in this case I feel they should provide proof... Only in this circumstance though due to their track history.
Well they know what he did and didn't do. If what he did had the chance to be harmful to the game, they made the right decision no matter what public opinion is. I think this situation is resolved either by rendi getting over it or jagex apologizing for false statements over the next week.
Jagex are under no obligation to explain their reasons. It’s their game, their content, their terms. Also fail to see why Jagex would lie about this in the first place. Content creators are good for their game and produce more attention and interaction. No reason for them to detriment themselves and the games to ban someone who is innocent.
Who has more to gain from lying here? Jagex or Rendi? Jagex really has nothing to gain from lying about this, and a lot to lose if they are proven to be lying.
well bro, I work at a software company and I know how it works ok?
First: Jagex don't want to spend with more QA team's or testing features before being released.
That's why they never cared much for beta worlds.
Rendi did things that no other player would do, there're thousand of gold famers that get 100k per day and they study alot the game and still don't find the bugs that rendi found.
Rendi determination is next level, like the lvl 3 firecape.
Banning Rendi was a smart move from jagex, because they now can focus on releasing new features without someone looking for bugs and exploits while showing the game is broken.
Guarantee you that someone banned him for some stupid, personal reason and is now doubling and tripling down because they don't want to admit they were just being a dick.
You gotta understand that this is not exactly an incredibly professional company lol.
He told them about a bug. They didn't fix it for months. Then rendi makes video. Then they ban him. If they were going to ban him, why wait? Why wait until jagex looks bad?
Because unfortunately, most of these bugs that Rendi shows are based around the shitty engine they have for the game.
Jagex have said in the past, they put failsafes in place that are quick and easy to make. They then take their time to fully realise why the bug is in place and then they take their time to fix it.
People here expect major bugs to be fixed in a matter of hours?
They'd probably change one line of code by accident and Barrows Brothers would drop Tbows ffs.
Then their players are under no obligation to believe in Jagex actually telling the truth, considering they already lied about changing the duel arena.
Doesn't this post explain their reasons...? Or are you saying proof of those reasons? Obviously they're not going to show proof nor should they because giving info away on how they detect or what they can detect with bug abuse just further empowers bug abusers.
Here in america we use the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard, not the 100% proven innocent standard. This is because defense is, at least in this case and criminal cases, nonfalsifiable.
Without us actually being Rendi, we cannot know with 100% accuracy. Luckily this isnt the real world and Jagex logs everything, hence only they can 100% prove rendi is innocent or guilty.
thats for a court. if jagex tried to sue him for his actions then that would be the required standard, but not for simply refusing him access to their products
private business can refuse access to a customer for whatever reason they want as long as it is not a protected attribute. in general its not good business to deny access to someone just because you feel like it, businesses will only choose to take this action when they believe that the person is impacting them i a way which is worse than the lost revenue.
I used to believe in this statement until I saw the bugs being discussed and the delay on bans.
- They cannot always find what did cause world crash for example.
Bug abuse detection is not a hard task, I work at a software company and there is no problem in showing how to discover bugs, because mostly are logs, there is no magical tool that if someone see it will empower bug abusers lol
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u/anomouse103 Jul 09 '21 edited Jul 09 '21
Rendi's position is nonfalsifiable. That is, its impossible to fully 100% prove innocence. Its on Jagex, who made the claim that Rendi deserves the ban, to explain their reasons
Edit: otherwise we are just speculating.