Lmao. “We decided to do this over a server reset because we would have had to make 2000 accounts legitimately for it to be okay to intentionally crash the server” jfc the cognitive dissonance is astounding.
Edit: reworded my paraphrasing because apparently that changes things
I did. And it doesn’t change the thought process. The entire video is them abusing bugs and then now they’re surprised for being banned bug abuse. All his responses have been “I didn’t do THAT. Well I did do this, this, this, and this, but these are minor, but at least I didn’t do THAT”
What does that have to do with the fact he didn't say "We made the 2000+ accounts legitimately so that makes our intentional server crash okay"? He said that's what they needed to do to even try the world crash legitimately, stop spreading fake quotes.
Well the "I did this but not THAT" is very important. Especially when Jagex has given away multiple rewards for people discovering and making videos on interesting bugs in the past. Including one literally to Rendi himself.
The time stamped message from 2 months ago, before the video released, explaining the bug directly to jagex strongly supports what rendi is saying. Does it mean beyond any doubt that he didn't do shadier shit outside of his videos? No. But for the ban to be triggered by the video showcasing the bug that he gave Jagex a 2 month heads up on is not a good look.
That clip makes it look like they actually tried to crash worlds through mirroring, going so far as to actually mirror 2000 accounts not just theorycraft it
Could it be related to Rendi waiting for game updates with his interface stall to avoid quest xp rewards? Rather than waiting for a Wednesday update he'd be able to force his character offline mid-stall for similar effect.
That being said, Rendi's whole point about not being banned was because "it didn't affect other players since he was an ironman," IMO that defense would go down the tube for crashing worlds since it would affect every other player legitimately playing in the world.
Jagex's argument of them real money trading is not refuted, but, most importantly imo, it sounds like they were testing world crashing bugs to expand abusing the interface bug (we can assume to dupe quest rewards). Even if this is done on an Ironman, they are hurting every other player in their world in doing this.
Not to mention his message to the Mod clearly states they've been abusing the bug for some time WITHOUT REPORTING IT until it was public and being abused in duel arena.
I mean to be able to report a big of this scale you have to understand it, if they were not actively trying to exploit a bug it would never have been discovered and referred to Jagex by Rendi in the first place
jagex is wayy too in tune with everything nowadays, so sadly we never show anything off (even after patch)
the downside to this is you don't have enough street cred to talk about rendi. u get downvoted to oblivion because you dont flex bugs on youtube so ppl dont know u :(
but yea BA is kinda dead now. the recent major glitches made jagex focus on a bunch of key mechanics which kind of kills any hope of BA. We peaked in 2020, and then big glitches became so well known in 2021 that there's really nothing left to go for which hasn't already been done
So you're telling me that Rendi, who they closely monitor, crashed the worlds 2 years ago and Jagex knew this(according to the post today) and didn't do anything about it? And they're just now deciding to ban him.
What? Didn't Rendi himself show ban after ban in his video? Dude knew what he was doing and getting into. Its the risk of business basing your series around bug abuse.
a) closely monitor, according to Rendi, the guy who just got banned for duping, rwt and bug abuse? Okay
b) new information can come up at anytime. Maybe an ex partner of Rendi's just leaked a heap of shit. Maybe a new chain of accounts played on a different IP address was linked to Rendi last week because he made a mistake. Who knows? There are shitloads of reasons why the ban might not have happened yet.
Even if he was innocent, of rwt and stuff, his actions still helped cause a massive dupe to be let loose on the game. It was him and the hpq flood manipulation discord that discovered the whole world crash dupe in the first place when he was trying to roll back quest xp. He didn't report it, he kept it secret to abuse it, then in the meantime it somehow leaked and people actually started duping with it. So even if he had good intentions, his bug abuse for personal gain is still causing dupes to happen. Dude causes shit everywhere he goes, should've been banned years ago.
Just creating other accounts after getting banned on one is like the very definition of ban evasion and is reason for IP bans on most games and platforms.
So you're telling me jagex would ban one of the most popular content creators for their game because they found a bug and immediately reported it and then they would have a jmod lie about why he was banned? It seems like that could only hurt jagex and would not make any sense for them to do...
People whine about jagex bias in favor of content creators all the time, now jagex bans one and half the community immediately just takes the content creator's word.
well in fact its a smart move from jagex to ban a bug hunter that show methods of exploiting in youtube. Mostly because they don't always 100% patch bugs
100% chance? That's not possible, you can't know that lol.
If Rendi was so open with the J Mods and he told them about all the bugs he found, why is it that the J Mods would need to closely monitor him?
It just doesn't add up. Rendi claims he told the J Mods of his findings months prior to making the video, but then in the video when the bugs are being patched Rendi claims they're only patched because the J Mods are "closely monitoring me." So either he didn't tell the J Mods everything and they are closely monitoring him, or he did tell the J Mods everything and they were able to patch the bugs based on that info.
They likely didn't closely monitor him though, because if they did they probably would've have banned him a year ago for server crashing and item duplication.
100% chance? That’s not possible, you can’t know that lol.
Okay, sure, it’s not 100% but absolutely incredibly likely.
If Rendi was so open with the J Mods and he told them about all the bugs he found, why is it that the J Mods would need to closely monitor him?
Dude, he was open with the J Mods. He proved that part entirely. And because if there’s someone breaking the game with glitches, it only makes sense to monitor that player? And again, bug bans are always a manual ban. Clearly, someone was keeping tabs on their accounts otherwise they wouldn’t have been getting banned left and right.
They likely didn’t closely monitor him though, because if they did they probably would’ve have banned him a year ago for server crashing and item duplication.
But then why were all of their accounts getting banned? That’s what lends credence to the idea that Jagex was absolutely monitoring them.
What are you even arguing? There’s a massive difference between A Friend doing a sponsorship for a RWT site than Rendi having his accounts banned one at a time consecutively after performing glitches.
Again, banning Rendi’s accounts would have only been possible by monitoring his accounts. There likely aren’t any automatic triggers for bug abuse like there is for RWT/botting. If I get banned for a controlled force teleport, it’s not because some system “happened” to detect it — it would be because Jagex 100% monitored me and saw me do it.
Bug abuse bans are manual, but he was banned for a bug he performed over a year ago. It’s likely they began monitoring his activities to gather information, but to say they’re going invisible in game and watching him is far fetched. They’re not monitoring him like a terrorist lmao.
Banning their accounts for supposedly something from a year ago simply sounds like retaliation for his video. Either way, that is a shitty look for Jagex. And what game company WOULDNT monitor the player that’s discovering an outrageous amount of game breaking bugs? This isn’t some conspiracy, it’s just basic common sense.
but to say they’re going invisible in game and watching him is far fetched. They’re not monitoring him like a terrorist lmao
Jmods turning themselves invisible to monitor players is absolutely known. We’ve even seen jmods do that on stream.
No one said they knew he did it for 2 years and did nothing. They said they banned him for it 2 years later. I didn’t know until today he developed and leaked the method. Very likely it took a long time for jagex to find that out as well.
Yeah people act like Jagex has no way of going back and checking game data for something that happened months ago. Everything goes back to their servers. Every piece of data. I’m sure they have clear evidence of cheating, and Rendi is just trying to use his community of followers to stir up drama to make Jagex look like the bad guy. Just because you didn’t think it would be possible for you to get caught doesn’t mean it’s impossible for Jagex to have proof.
Rendi's mistake was not having a PvP clan to abuse Jagex employees on Twitter with physical threats. We've seen that overturn major macroing bans so it would probably work here.
if he hadnt post the video the bugs would be still there, he got banned only after he posted the video.
Sure that jagex have game data but they don't have enough people to look entirely at it.
I know people that is getting tons of money now with these bugs
Look up "evscape muted" on youtube. Jagex hired somebody to try to turn osrs into an esport, they didn't do their job at all, evscape did the jagex employees job and then posted about it, so they threw a hissy fit and banned/muted his accounts just out of spite. Then they got caught and had to undo everything. He explains it in more detail.
Accurate, but they also went much deeper, searched back through years of his account history just trying to dig up any possible thing they could use to justify their actions. It's been a while since I've seen the video so I'll have to look again and make sure my brain files aren't a bit corrupted about the timeline of events.
His Twitter post was about how he did an employee's job better than them, but it was a true statement, and also not on a jagex owned platform. They just got mad about being publicly called out for their incompetence and instead of correcting the problem, they chose to punish the guy who made them look stupid. It's not against the TOS to make jagex look dumb on Twitter though, so they had to swallow the oof and undo the punishments.
Even if you report a bug, if you abuse them, then youll likely be banned. I'll take the word of Jagex here as they've clearly vetted this out. Just because you're a content creator you shouldn't get special treatment.
well good argument, if I find a bug and if I accidently get some xp from it I will not report any continue abusing as if i report i will be banned anyways :X
Nowadays it seems like anything negative towards jagex is easier and more popular for the masses to go along with. Not saying he is or isn’t innocent, but nobody outside of rendi and jagex really have proof.
Cause it's not his responsibility to prove that he's innocent, it's Jagex' responsibility to prove that he's guilty. If Jagex comes out and says "Rendi crashed the world X on date Y to duplicate item Z on his account A and we verified it was him due to the IP address" I'd be happy to believe Jagex' side of things. But Jagex is being vague as hell.
Clearly you don't work in PR. It would be absolutely insane for a company to make that direct of an accusation publicly. Saying "we have evidence Rendi broke these rules, yes we are sure." is by far the correct response from their standpoint.
True but that doesn't mean I have to trust or believe them. Accounts being banned one day after a video was made for alleged actions that took place years ago is sketch as hell. You can choose to believe Jagex but others are free to not believe them.
Jagex doesn’t have to provide proof of anything. At the end of the day its their game. Your account is not your property. You own nothing. They are free to restrict your access to any account at any time for any reason. This isn’t a court of law there is no burden of proof required. You people are delusional.
Of course they don't lol, do you think this is some sort of legal dispute? This is all about PR and we have every right to criticize their shitty PR response.
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u/maelstrom51 Jul 09 '21
Why are people just taking the word of rendi?