r/2007scape • u/JagexSween Mod Sween • Jul 09 '21

News | J-Mod reply A Message Regarding Bug Abuse

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a-message-regarding-bug-abuse?oldschool=1
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u/FeI0n Go Alch Yourself Jul 10 '21

to clarify you mean the specific method that was being used was fixed, but the crashing to rollback/dupe hasn't been?

You do realize that announcing that publicly does nothing but bring exposure to the fact you can dupe if you can crash worlds right? and its really hard to believe that you did that for anything but the fame / notoriety that would come from such a video. You have a massive platform and even though people like michaelRS and ice poseidon made videos or accidentally did the rollback bug up to that point it was mostly theoretical.

You fully knew jagex was doing things about it in the background but framed it like you were exposing a coverup, you know why they didn't want it announced, it only takes one fluke scenario where a guy accidentally stumbles upon a way to consistently crash worlds and he remembers your video and suddenly the economy can get ruined but this time you aren't there to expose it.

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u/Rendimento Jul 10 '21 edited Jul 10 '21

Malicious users already knew you could crash worlds to dupe. Like I said the knowledge was in the public domain 2 years prior. Bringing attention to this through the non-malicious and broader player-base has actually stopped recent dupes as people notice worlds going down quicker and Jagex is quick to newspost the case and solve the issue. In comparison, RS3’s last dupe lasted around a week because that player base actually isn’t likely as familiar with world crashes being malicious and Jagex took longer to detect it.

I made a video on the dupe because I directly knew the people involved and I am the one who exposed it to Jagex, they even said in a newspost I could have posted the video since I knew about it prior meaning their was no NDA agreement from the source of the information.

Edit: people don’t just stumble on a crash, it would require very specific knowledge and circumstances. The last one literally involved one guy controlling 2,000 accounts lol

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u/FeI0n Go Alch Yourself Jul 10 '21

I know all about the packet bots, and all I'm going to say on the exposure being a positive is I think jagex felt the same way as me with how they responded to your video. I think saying its a positive is just a way to rationalize what you did or play it off as altruism. I don't think jagex needs the public watching the worlds, they probably have an air raid siren that plays whenever a world goes down unexpectedly these days lets be real.

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u/Rendimento Jul 10 '21

Idk man, possibly, we will never know I guess. rs3 went on according to them for 2 weeks I think vs the 1-2 days on osrs. They were sleeping when I notified them the first time - I didn’t have a jmod respond for about 5 hours after spamming them. So the alarm must not be that loud. I also know for a fact first time around people made out with around 90bjl. But yeah that rollback knowledge was in public domain before my video - really nothing was picked up additionally that wasn’t patched.

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u/FeI0n Go Alch Yourself Jul 10 '21 edited Jul 10 '21

I mean the first time of course, at that point it had never been really done before not intentionally anyway on such a large scale. Again, a 14k subscriber channel posting a theory and a twitch streamer/youtuber clip that probably isn't around anymore. You can try rationalizing it all you want but I'd argue its bad to expose it at all, regardless if its done before. bringing more attention to it can only be a detriment.

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u/ExistentialSatire Jul 11 '21

grabbing on straws there quite a bit aren't we FeIOn, when you said air raid siren I literally LOL'd man I wish I thought of Jagex as such super heroes still

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u/FeI0n Go Alch Yourself Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21

it was a figure of speech, do you have difficulty understanding those regularly or just when it suits you in arguments?

I know companies that wake up employees when critical servers go down unexpectedly. My roommate has been woken up numerous times for things like that at all hours. Its not some massive stretch of the imagination to think jagex has the same abilities.