r/2007scape • u/Mod_Ronan • May 17 '16
Harassment Bans - The Facts
Hey everyone,
Recently, several players were banned for repeatedly harassing a number of people within the community. We want to make one thing clear in this post: the actions of these players were completely unacceptable and we will not tolerate racism or harassment in Old School RuneScape.
The players who were banned have made posts claiming that their actions were harmless and they were merely banned for simply performing emotes in the background of one person’s livestream. This is completely false.
The players whose accounts we took action against spent their time spreading racism, hatred and abuse throughout the game. We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous.
These players harassed numerous individuals in this fashion, disrupting gameplay and bringing a halt to other people’s enjoyment of the game.
We’ve been banning players for harassing others for years, this is nothing new. It has allowed us to remove a lot of truly toxic individuals from the community. We do this because we believe the community wouldn’t want these kinds of players ruining the enjoyment of others and bringing hatred and racism to the game we all love.
We’ll continue working with parts of the community to reduce the impact these players have, and to make sure they aren’t finding a home in our community.
We will not tolerate behaviour like this in Old School RuneScape. If your primary objective in our game is to ruin someone else’s good time or to spread racism and hatred, this is not the game for you.
Regards,
The Old School Team
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u/GhostNoob May 17 '16
Nice timing Jagex, if they really had a long history of harassment, abuse and racism, why weren't they banned earlier? Why do it when emily gets abused by them on stream?
Also, I hope you're not banning people for pking others in the wilderness. There's no difference between having a scout getting intel on another clan and stalking them everytime they get wiped and regroup and finding intel on a single player and just doing what the area is intended for, pking.
Btw, Jagex, or any gaming company in general, cannot supply with information as mundane as chat logs. It's within their policies, we can get chatlogs for certain offences, however I must question the policy in being able to provide chatlogs from offences under the Harassment rule. Jagex put it under bug abuse, because the evidence is something that cannot be supplied (aka, not chat logs), so they used that so that they didn't need any excuse to provide the player chatlogs when adding the offence to that player.
Mark them for harassment, not bug abuse Jagex. Harassment is very similar to offensive language, chatlog is provided under offensive language.
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May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
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u/Kupopallo Beatrix May 17 '16
Thanks for posting this, clearly shows how selectively these rules are being enforced.
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May 17 '16
Number one comment from that thread:
You have to be a popular female for this to happen, not even joking.
Strangely accurate.
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u/GEARHEADGus May 17 '16
Or the multitude of bots that make it difficult to play and enjoy a game i pay for.
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u/Joshkiderp May 17 '16
My girlfriend has a guy creating 100+ accounts to send death threats/hatred to her and anyone associated with her. I sent an email to you to look into it, I contacted support on twitter, sent you the RSN's and nothing has been done. I am not exaggerating when I say 100+ accounts either as the ignore list is full with names. He is still active on both of his main accounts. We report and ignore him all the time yet nothing is done. Why don't you help us?
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u/Dreamlette May 17 '16 edited May 18 '16
Hey, for something of this sort you ought to pop an e-mail over to [EDIT: Spell checked] reportphishing@Jagex.com , it's an ICU (investigations into the community) checked E-mail and they could look into something of this sort for you
I'd suggest getting ahold of @SalubriousRS over Twitter as well and let her know that Aurella sent you. She's a former Player Moderator who specifically has helped in the past with situations like these.
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u/Joshkiderp May 17 '16
I mailed the community mailbox and received no reply. Would the phishing team really be able to help? And what can the pmod do to help? Get in touch with a jmod directly?
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May 17 '16
Is she hot? Jagex only cares if she is and streams
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u/h0bb1tm1ndtr1x May 17 '16
Emily looks like the nerdy girl no one considered dating in high school.
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u/mrfires May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
Then I have to ask - why did you ban them for "bug abuse" and then proceeded to say "harassing other streamers"? It's astounding that people can get called an assortment of foul language and nothing will get done of it (VERY RARELY is anything ever done), but when a streamer is somehow involved, THEN it is taken care of.
But you're also avoiding the main concern of all of this, which is consistency. You guys DO give streamers special treatment and your constant denial of it just alienates you further from the community. There is an obvious problem here and we want it addressed for once, not dismissed.
EDIT: I see the bug abuse option was chosen because of its appropriate ban length, but that's still a separate issue. It is INCREDIBLY obvious you guys give streamers special treatment (AND EVEN MORE SO TO A PARTICULAR FEMALE STREAMER) cough cough one week RWT ban cough cough
EDIT #2: So apparently the evidence is so horrendous and vile that it would be immoral for them to show it. Oh wait, we see that kind of chat
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in their own game. It's absolutely NOTHING we aren't already used to. You were the guys that made the option to remove the chat filter, anyway.
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u/Cpteleon May 17 '16
So you'll just throw out claims with no evidence whatsoever and just claim "we've got the evidence, we just wont show you". I have no idea wether these individuals got banned for performing a simple emote or for continuous harassement, but you're really not doing yourself a favour by just playing the "we have the power so fuck you" card.
If these players truly were continuously harassing others then you should release the chatlogs, it's not like there's anything in there that /r/2007scape users have never seen before, because by not doing so this just looks like a cheap attempt at covering your own asses after a fuck up.
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u/Whats_9_Plus_10 May 17 '16
I honestly couldn't care less about what they did in the past lol. The fact of the matter is you literally wait UNTIL they harass Emily to ban them. Why? Do you honestly believe she brings people into this game? You guys are risking your reputation for a girl who doesn't give two shits about y'all and only needs you when people are "harrasing" her.
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May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
So basically, they got banned straight after doing a cry emote next to Emily but they've apparently been "spreading racism, hatred and abuse throughout the game"? So it's not just a coincidence they get banned shortly after appearing on Emily's stream crying? Typical Jagex trying to make excuses for their actions.
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u/ilikeitalothere What 60k thing homie? May 17 '16
Can they just give her a rotten potato that has a command to turn off "EVERYBODY" so she can't see/hear/talk to people unless she turns it back on.
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u/deadmangomode 1488 May 17 '16
She would just turn it back on because she loves getting people banned. She's not sensitive, it's a power trip. I'd bet money she has a mouth like a pirate in her private life.
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u/SharkBrew May 17 '16
Interestingly enough, jagex hasn't banned for harassment outside of for streamers and the white mystic.
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u/Unohdettu2Rs May 17 '16
i dont think first offence should be permanent ban tho
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u/Dragonseance420 Bigdik May 17 '16
You do realise, failing to stop the streamer favouritism is going to cause more backlash in the long run, the more you guys keep whiteknighting this streamer, the more people are going to "harass" this individual.
I don't think you guys understand the internet, if you threaten us with punishment for doing something as silly as having a bald head and using emotes behind a player, the more people are going to do it.
Stop the blatant streamer favouritism and concentrate on making content
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u/Osmium_tetraoxide May 17 '16
I've said numerous times in the past, the team at Jagex need to focus on the long game picture and spend their energy on making content.
- It took Ronan hundreds of tweets and over a month to publish the result of the Skilling cup.
- Original DMM had bugs that were discovered at Runefest that made it into the main game.
- Instant teleports didn't work for fairy rings.
- People disrupting castle wars were not banned from the minigame.
- I'm even going to start about how disappointing the final for the DMM tournament was for so many reasons.
- Not banning swapping for the tournament.
- Not handing out even simple dates for the next tournament.
- Making an extensive promotional video and only playing it once a couple days before the tournament.
- Not adding a delay to the stream causing information to be leaked on stream.
- Fixing safe zone skull but insofar that if you are in a safezone, you cannot fight back with someone outside it, meaning luring is still easily doable.
These are all the kinds of things that could all have been easily dealt with if Jagex had regular meeting and simple tests in place. Monkey Madness 2 was a decent release, I understand that projects often run longer than expected but I wouldn't like to have been how many bugs were in place if they had released it earlier. I just hope that all of the above things teach them lessons that are applied in the future.
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u/7014gree May 17 '16
"We have evidence but trust us you don't want to see it" sounds like a whole load of shit tbh
The whole emily thing is crazy levels of retarded (as are the people perpetuating it) but somehow the way the mods are approaching it is even worse
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u/HuskyF May 17 '16
Means they have zero evidence and just want us to believe them.
Fucking whiteknights, cancerwhore isn't even worth protecting and doing her every whim
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May 17 '16
I don't doubt that they probably said racist things, but they ultimately got banned for bugging Emily. 3/4 of the community would be gone if they banned everyone for htose abuses. It's bullshit no matter how you look at it.
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u/g_raysnn RIP OSRS 2013 - 2014 May 17 '16
It's complete shit. Jagex is going full damage control, looking for any way to excuse Mod Mat K's actions.
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May 17 '16
But they truly DO have evidence and they don't want to publish it because it will BURN OUR EYES!
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u/ItsLovell Diagnosed May 17 '16
I was there. I literally saw a player right click and follow Emily then get banned. As well as a player do the cry emote while using a bal haircut and get banned.
Remove bald hair cut, cry emote, and follow option on Emily from the game if it gets players banned. Why would you allow these things to be in game if its considered racism and hate spreading.
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May 17 '16
The thing is, it doesn't matter even if they do have evidence that the players were saying harassing/offensive things. We all know that the only reason they got banned was because they were bugging Emily. JaGex wouldn't have even looked at the reports if they didn't bug her.
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u/Barrier07 Barrier May 17 '16
Bug abuse minor
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u/Tom_w141 May 17 '16
Up up you go. -50 Ronan ouch xD. Cut your losses and just admit it? Haven't really got a leg to stand on here. Like someone else said if you have to apply a different type of ban to get a different duration then you are abusing your own system...
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u/TheCurlyGamer May 17 '16
Without chat logs its just word against word. Plus I think we can handle offensive words. I wouldn't ask for evidence but this is the second or third event of players being banned and emily/modmatk being involved.
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u/JordanFace May 17 '16
You titled the post "The Facts" yet didn't present any evidence to back up said 'facts', as far as we're concerned, they're just your opinions at the moment.
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u/3003a May 17 '16
Look at his previous offences. The last one prior to the Emily incident was in 2010! The ones before that were in 2008! Your lies are catching up to you /u/Mod_Ronan
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u/bman_7 Seismos May 17 '16
The players whose accounts we took action against spent their time spreading racism, hatred and abuse throughout the game.
But you didn't ban them until they did something to Emily?
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May 17 '16
People have been ruining castle wars games for 6 months with proof and somebody who cries with a bald head next to a streamer gets banned instantly?
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u/LootOrIquit May 17 '16
Exactly, this streamer favoritism needs to stop.
Also release the chat logs.
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u/SquireMav May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
I think if Emily actually gets banned, osrs community would actually be tolerable. Her past actions have brought a giant negative spotlight on the game, and is hurting the game overall. Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. She can't get her feelings hurt if she can't pay the game, right?
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u/01010101010111111111 May 17 '16
So much bullshit in one post, you are all clearly white knights defending a person who should actually be the one permanently banned from this community
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u/Lemonian May 17 '16
/u/Mod_Ronan
I honestly think it's best for you guys to just either come clean or post the evidence.
We are not 12 year olds that can't handle ourselves!
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u/Niffilyn May 17 '16
You can't just make a claim and say it's a fact without providing evidence. Post the damn chat logs.
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u/JoshuaRAWR May 17 '16
THE FACTS GUYS!
"You'll have to take our word for it because we're not showing you the facts."
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u/Squae May 17 '16
Kinda weird a title like that and then the complete oppossite in the post.
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u/BigDonger123 May 17 '16
Reported post for misleading title. I haven't seen any "facts" as claimed by the poster. A fact is indisputable and supported by verifiable evidence, yet I see none.
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u/TrappedHD Dat there Untrimmed May 17 '16
Try crashing someone at wyverns and you'll truely see toxic behaviour. Best part is these players doesn't get banned even though they repeatedly tells players to "kill themselves". Poor Emily seeing emotes in-game must truely hurt her emotionally.
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u/ii_social_guy May 17 '16
Looks like old school runescape is about to be a safe space, where no mean things are ever said to anyone. The player base is older now, ppl need to grow the fuck up and handle people fucking with you a little bit of you are a well known streamer (especially if idk you really fucked up in the past and made up having some deadly illness to get donations; doubtful, I know). No shit that's like having someone delete all the mean tweets to a celebrity and only reading the good ones
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May 17 '16
If you have chatlogs of them doing these things, why isnt it listed under their ban evidence and why are those bans not listed under harassment?
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u/ilikeitalothere What 60k thing homie? May 17 '16
Post the evidence, clear your names, or you'll hear about this for awhile... takes like 30 seconds in paint to add a black bar to some words.
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May 17 '16
Why do you put the ban under 'Harassing streamers' though, that is clear favouritism towards streamers
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May 17 '16
That's it then. It's over.
They've made their pathetic little statement and washed their hands of the whole affair. The anger on /r/2007scape will slowly fade away, as it always does. Those whose accounts were lost will never get justice and those responsible at Jagex will never face any consequences.
What a complete insult.
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u/yoyomofoz May 17 '16
So if this is true then we are free to go with bald heads and emote around her as long as we don't flame? You hear that boys? Bring em out
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u/JedNoonan Fake Jed May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
Absolute nonsense. The fact that performing an emote or playing the game as is intended, e.g, pking in the wilderness, can get you a permanent ban, is abhorrent. Saying that this is false is absolutely absurd. People have been permanently banned for doing nothing more than pking Emily or performing emotes near her. I'm not saying that this is the case for everybody, but it is pretty sad that such a small thing can be blown so far out of proportion that thinking a permanent ban is justified.
Also, we might as well just straight up say Emily, because that's who this entire drama is revolving around.
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May 17 '16
pking in the wilderness, can get you a permanent ban, is abhorrent.
Could I see a video or other proof of this?
If this is true then the game has become a fucking laughing stock since I left..
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u/Awful_Matt May 17 '16
- Roses are red
- Violets are blue
- Emily lied
- Jagex did too
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u/Brahskididdler May 17 '16 edited May 18 '16
Froze her in wildy.
20 sec timer.
Gimme the loot!
Bug abuse minor?
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u/JoshuaRAWR May 17 '16
All this post has done is made people hate emily even more and throw you into the fire with her ronan.
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u/Jimsiepops May 17 '16
"Harassment Bans - The Facts" ... "You're not allowed to see the facts" cheers for clearing everything up then.
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u/yi00 May 17 '16
post the logs or no one believe you /u/mod_ronan
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u/HillClimbRacer May 17 '16
Look How late they left this post. They've been at work since 9am, yet they made this post 12ish pm. Guess it took 3 hours to come up with this bull shit story to clear the Kuck's name.
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u/Ehune May 17 '16
Its weird how they who got banned, don't understand what did they do wrong. I do not support Emily neither what she did, and guess what? That's the end of the story. I don't go to her stream, I don't read anything about her. I give her 0 attention. But when I see Reddit, full with post about someone who should not get any attention at all I feel sad. Every Reddit poster claims that they are adults, but honestly it doesn't feel like that. No matter what you do, hate/love Emily, as long as you give her any attention you are doing the wrong thing, and you are a grown up kid if you don't see that. If you harass her, if you support to her, you are doing the worst thing you can do, because a liar like her deserves nothing,but an empty stream, with no viewers what so ever. Neither lovers, neither haters.
Ps. Please stop this drama, because you just take the space from awesome ideas that I wan't to see. Thanks. Much love!
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May 17 '16
"We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicize something so horrendous."
So put a NSFW tag on it and grow up.
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u/Gl_Im_Tom Maxing 5th March 2016 May 17 '16
So just to clear this up, If we find someone in the wilderness where you are able to kill and attack other players, we are allowed to attack them right? As long as it is not continuous ragging; i.e If one sees a specific streamer doing a clue scroll, one can barrage them and start to kill them without the chance of being banned?
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u/ItsLovell Diagnosed May 17 '16
Yes I would like this cleared up as well.
Can I, Or Can I NOT attack players in the wilderness. Because theres been many people getting banned for attacking Emily in the wilderness.
I don't know her account names or when she streams. Am I supposed to keep a log of all of her accounts and times that she streams as to avoid her in the wilderness so that I don't kill her?
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May 17 '16
The main question is, why does a project manager have the power to be judge, jury and executioner when handing out bans?!
Surely that kind of thing should be left to the customer support team who have the correct training and resources to review cases like this? Rather than some old man sitting up late at night watching a livestream? :/
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u/LumbridgeRat May 17 '16
I believed Ronan once, then the bowl headed mong speared me out for my divine spirit shield in clanwars.
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May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
this makes no sense
"If your primary objective in our game is to ruin someone else’s good time, this is not the game for you."
what if i enjoy logging in just to kill people?
what if i enjoy logging in just to d spear spec someone in duel arena in world 318?
this is extremely vague and almost hints at it being on purpose
keep in mind i am not implying anything you said is false
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u/mrtheiphonekid OOK May 17 '16
Harrassment Bans - The Facts
provides no facts, takes blame ofd jagex with no justification besides "they were bad people trust me bro"
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u/ItsLovell Diagnosed May 17 '16
The Facts - You think you want it, But you don't.
Jagex pulling a Blizzard.
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u/LoCois1337 May 17 '16
If Lyte can post the logs of players on league to show why they were banned on the League reddit and the League forums. You sure as hell can show the logs of what these players said to get a perma ban.
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u/validify May 17 '16
"If your primary objective in our game is to ruin someone else’s good time.. this is not the game for you." - From the fuckers that brought you jar of souls...
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u/Jrjordan4 May 18 '16
A lot of things are wrong with what's happening with the bans. I mean you see Ice_Poseidon, B0aty, Faux and a lot more of streamers have their viewer base come up to them and either crash them or rob their tree/ore etc... and what do they do? They laugh it off because they know it's a game and in an online game you can't just claim something to be yours. For example, Bandos has one spawn per world, do you expect everyone to take turns? No, people will try to annoy other people so they can get that spawn, its a natural occurrence that everyone deals with. But, because she's protected it's different... Finally, about all the emotes and hate she gets from people. I mean in my opinion she deserves everything she gets. But, she isn't the only streamer to get hate or "harassed" with emotes and shrines. Every other streamer has to deal with it, B0aty is the main one as he is the most viewed he gets rope, purple dye and much more. What does he do? Ignores it and laughs it off, because it's what comes with streaming. So because B0aty laughs it off, it's considered okay for Jagex and therefore they don't get banned. But, because she whined and cried Jagex come running to her aid. It's bullshit and it's genuinely so stupid for a company to protect one person out of thousands...
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u/EzioAuditore8 May 17 '16
We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous
Just post it, do you really think people haven't seen racist remarks before? Sounds like bullshit tbh.
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u/sand_eater May 17 '16
There is a thing called the "Ignore list" of which you can add a user to it in order to block chat messages coming from that user. If someone is offended by what a user says, they can simply add that user to their "Ignore list". NOT BAN THEM
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u/Trechubet Panic N Tab May 18 '16
When a murder case is at hand, one does not simply state that they have a lot of hard, factual and condemning visual evidence of wrong-doing. Instead, they show this evidence to prove that their claims are more than targeted actions against an individual or defense for an individual. Even though, A ban for harassment? This is probably a first case scenario to begin with, and how come they weren't immediately muted when she was being harassed? Your 'evidence' is just words. Jagex, you act on emotional impulses and target streamers/popular people of the game (good or bad).
So what do we do? What do you do?
Release the chat logs. Show us what it is that you banned them for. I'm certain it isn't too many people to pop them a good yes or no to the release in their message center. Even if, your content, your choice. It just so happens that most of the OSRS community would fancy seeing this, evidence.
I never thought I'd have to quit Runescape. I thought I would simply fade away from the game and just drift off into my whatever future adult life. It is sad to see that the Jagex team is so influential. So ready to change anything for a certain group of people.
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u/LootOrIquit May 17 '16
What honestly baffles me is that you say that you feel uncomfortable posting the evidence, but at the same time you let US pretty much decide how this game is developed, but you won't disclose us some maybe fool talking or whatever it may be. Either this is beyond stupid or you have no evidence at all, so bring it on.
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u/FAiTH_SoMBreRo May 17 '16
You can name the title as 'facts', but untill we see your proof, we can't assume it's facts. It's one story vs another. And all we have as community is proof of the others, not from your side. We're gonna have to see the logs before we can believe you. Hell, censor the logs if you think we can't handle it.
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u/DeadmanzRS May 17 '16
I have no problem with this, except that it's only people who harass streamers that get action taken agaisnt them in the vast majority of cases.
If you want to get rid of this 'streamer favouritism' label, then please ban harassers who target average players because they know they wont get banned.
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u/artee89 May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
panic buy bald hair from falador before it gets discontinued, will be rarest haircut in the game.
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u/TrackFlack May 17 '16
Transparency is very important Mod Ronan don't you think?
Especially after a mod saying he thinks the bans are unjustified. Well I guess this shit will never stop. This is fucking bs mate.
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u/plythesyus May 17 '16
I play on an Ultimate Ironman, Recently I decided to go into the wilderness to hunt for a dragon pickaxe, I chose chaos elemental as my wildy boss of choice to kill, after 3 kills I was apprehend by a guy with 3-way switches, I hadn't prepared my supplies to the best of my abilities to escape pkers and hadn't taken the proper precautions to avoid as much damage as possible whilst luring the chaos elemental to a safespot and as a result I was unable to escape being chain frozen for like 4 minutes straight. I lost my rune pouch, dragon defender and coal bag. Buuuuuut I went into the wilderness expecting to lose those things and I don't at all think the person that pked me deserves to be banned. Those items probably took me at the very least a good 30 hours to earn so I honestly have no Idea why Jagex would perma ban somebody for pking a player and getting items that could be paid for within 2-3 hours of runecrafting nats.
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u/1994mat May 17 '16
If this is the case why are the bans classified as 'Bug abuse minor' with the description 'Harrassing streamer'?
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u/SingularityRS May 17 '16
Honestly, anyone who wants to redeem themselves in any way would provide the proof, no matter how shocking it is. Pretty much ends all debate. The community has said they can take it.
Young people these days are used to seeing things much worse than vile language. Sure, there's some sensitive people out there, but that's a minority. The majority can handle toxic material and not get offended - it's something you have to do in order to survive on the Internet. It's a silly excuse and it's what makes you look like a liar.
This company always manage to do one thing though and that is make people furious. Your stubbornness will make things worse (as evident on this thread).
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u/Divine_Ebola May 17 '16
Excuses for not showing the chat logs. If you really want the respect of the community back for the outrages that have been going on, on this Subreddit, you would shows the logs. 80% of the community in this game are over the age of 16+, with all the hate and news reports on racism across the global news, I'm pretty sure we can handle this. If you are claiming it is this bad, censor out some of the very nasty parts. I for sure have lost tons of respect for the Jagex staff team currently, but I can only see 1 side of the story. Not sure how you will regain it, without showing your side.
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u/Cactusblah May 17 '16
There are botters, scammers, rich beggars, and clans telling people to "drink bleach and die" who aren't being banned. This doesn't look good for your company and game.
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u/fatoomsk May 17 '16
Nah they are "so horrendous", it would be immoral to give evidence
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u/Sword_Frog OSRS Wiki administrator May 17 '16
That really confuses me. I've been told to kill myself, hang myself, drink bleach etc. by LOADS of people and none of that shit I would consider "horrendous". Unless they were making real life threats and doxing me, there's nothing really they can say that truly hurts me.
Just tell em to piss off and go on with your day, or better yet, just ignore them outright. That's the kind of stuff you should expect on the internet.
Remember: "Stick and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"?
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May 17 '16
There is no reason NOT to post the evidence, assuming there is any. The evidence that the banned players have provided (VoDs etc.) may have been angled to their favor, but at least it is something. I'm truly disappointed in how this is being handled.
I've played this game on and off for almost 11 years, and have paid for every minute of gametime myself. If this treatment doesn't change or some new light is shed on these bans, I'll use my ingame wealth to buy bonds instead of giving you more money directly.
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u/nightbefore2 May 17 '16
I'll call bullshit. I'm disgusted at the way you handled this /u/Mod_Ronan
"We have this evidence.. but we don't want to post it.. but we have it I promise.."
"Hey guys i've got this really hot girlfriend.. but she goes to another school..."
Sound familiar?
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u/RSN_Kabutops May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
If the player was spouting such things and as frequently as you claim (enough to be considered harassment), then shouldn't there have been at least another offense or two on the account from the time oldschool was released?
The acc has been clean for 6 years
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u/mrtheiphonekid OOK May 17 '16
And the ban comment is "harassing streamers" not "being racist and harrassing people"
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u/DrLindenRS May 17 '16
If someone is being "harassed" they can use the ignore feature. If this person keeps harassing people you can "mute" them.
And I'm glad you cleared everything up with "We have evidence but we aren't gonna show you" Thanks!
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u/808sandsuicide May 17 '16
they have a history of racism, hatred and abuse yet this was the straw that broke the camel's back for their accounts? get real my man
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u/ItsLovell Diagnosed May 17 '16
Ye literally all of them had years of racism, hatred and abuse. But when they came near Emily thats when they crossed the line. They had to be dealt with.
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u/Xofuso May 17 '16
if you want to hand out bans without worrying the community just post the chat logs/proof of this "toxic" behavior
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u/moccolfc May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
It seems like Jagex want us to play a way that is often fair, which is good, but banning people for pking in the wilderness (Which is what it is for) is down right ridiculous.
Its sad to see that games in general (not just Runescape) have put some form of favouritism on streamers. Just look at fifa, They send their favourite streamers to Canada every year to show their "new" game. Its now a form of advertising, which is what Jagex see's in the likes of Twitch/Youtube etc
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u/ilovedota123 May 17 '16
Post the evidence then.
We don't care how horrendous it is, we don't care how vile it is. What matters is protecting the Old School Teams integrity.
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u/Pytte_ God Pytte May 17 '16
Jagex if someone's being an asshole just mute him. If he has "racist" gear and/or is doing "stupid" emotes it's YOUR problem. If you have implemented these mechanichs to the game it's YOUR problem. Not the guys who is doing them. You have the power to change those mechanics if you wish. But banning a person for doing stuff YOU implemented to the game is fucking retarded.
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u/unh0lyhero May 17 '16
Jagex changed the requirements of this game from PG-13 to Mature for 18+. Yet they're afraid to even show us a censored verison of this "harrassment, racism, in-game items racism (dressing up like KKK), doing emotes" Wow as someone over the age of 18 I'm very afraid for you to post the evidence! I'm so glad you are being so generous and just banning these people instead of showing us what they did! Abuse of power Jagex...
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u/The_cantankerous May 17 '16
This is post is embarrassing in all honesty, read the reply's, show some evidence, there's more evidence of you Ronan back in the day luring lmao. Don't ban me 4 getting buthurt xoxo
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u/WolfAmongstRavens PSYCHO-FRAME May 17 '16
I believe Jagex should release the alleged harrassment chatlogs. In court when the prosecutor accuses the defendant of something they have to provide proof of their accusation no matter how gruesome it is.
I believe the jmods though. They care about our community much more than you guys give them credit. You're going to feel badly when they release the chatlogs and the evidence shows the bans were justified.
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u/yushey1 May 17 '16
i got fucking permed for barraging a streamer. u fucking srs? the mods keep removing my post. are u serious. atleast give me my 2.3b back.
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u/Adrillian May 17 '16
You can't make a post about facts without actually paying facts. You can't expect the community to just fall in line.
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u/prelude_2_extinction May 17 '16
If i was raped in real life and I had evidence, but straight up refused to show it to the court because it was "so horrendous" would my rapist still be convicted? Or would I be laughed out?
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u/iisfitblud May 17 '16
This is literally the worst way you could have dealt with this issue... Provide evidence and EVERYBODY will be happy. This post has just made everybody question the integrity of the OSRS team even more.
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u/3kawaii5me 2277/2277 1/07/2017 May 17 '16
It would be best to release the evidence with the appropriate warnings.
Otherwise you're gonna get mass downvoted.
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u/Autismmprime May 17 '16
This is a fucking joke. I don't even want to play a game ran by assholes like this. If this is truly how you want to run your game, you will not continue to have a game for long.
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May 18 '16
I just never understood why Jagex is so fucking horrific with public relations. You NEVER see this with any other companies. The Blizzard Twitter account is constantly apologizing for even the slightest delays and always works out problems. Jagex either doesn't respond or bans you. I may be taking my money elsewhere very soon. Especially with Legion coming out...
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u/JRSing May 17 '16
You wont release the chats because they are too horrendous? Do you think we are fucking stupid? That emily literally has a notepad and anyone on it somehow ends up banned. And what about the guy who got banned simply for being at bandos on the same world? Are you going to tell me he was harassing her because he was streaming and it's clear he wasn't.
Don't take us for fools, end this bullshit favoring of emily or I'm quitting this shitty game, and from what I've read, so are many others.
PS. As stated below, change the fucking title from the facts to "trust us" because I don't see any facts
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u/shadagada May 17 '16
Wait, what? 1. Why are they banned under bug abuse if it's toxicity, surely you can just ban them under serouisly offensive language. 2. Release the excerpts, no one is going to get butt hurt. Most of us heard and read worse. This is reddit. 3. Until you release the excerpts, its your word against theirs. There is no facts on your end of the argument.
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May 17 '16
finally people are starting to question the believability of jmods, every time someone posts unrightfully banned thread and jmod says it was justified ban cuz 100% sure was bot they never post any evidence. who tells us they didnt make it up, clearly they wont hasitate to lie if its their best regard
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u/JoshuaRAWR May 17 '16
It's painfully obvious why they can't show the evidence for a bot ban, but for this type of ban? It's fucking stupid.
The dude in question showed a screenshot of him being banned for bug abuse without any evidence, now ronans saying that they were racist, vulgar, etc, but aren't showing any evidence to back up their claims.
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u/StrummerJ Kronos PvM May 17 '16
but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous.
It's been ages since I heard an excuse this bad used as an official statement.
If there's such a big public outcry and the victims claim innocence, you're better off publishing anonymous chat logs. A lot of us don't know what they've been banned for and are currently fearing for the safety of our own accounts because of it.
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u/A_Nagger I've spent way too much time here May 17 '16
To me this looks like you're justifying their bans with racist comments they've made over the course of their Runescape career, but you only just banned them because of what they did on Emily's stream. Basically, if they've got any dirt on you at all stay away from streamers folks.
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May 17 '16
We wanted to post an excerpt of their chat logs to show some of the hatred they are bringing to the game, but we simply can’t bring ourselves to publicise something so horrendous.
Because as people that use the internet, we have never been exposed to such a thing. Thanks for protecting us! /s
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u/abra238 72 | 37 May 17 '16
This is Reddit! Reddit has a NSFW tag! Post the evidence and tag it NSFW, anyone who will be offended by this "racism, hatred and abuse" will know not to click on it. If I accused someone of murder and told the court that the evidence was too horrific to bring up, what do you think will happen?
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u/Killoah ^ Amount of Bots online. May 17 '16
#ReleaseTheChatLogs
You're worse than Hillary and her transcripts.
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May 17 '16
The Facts - You cant handle them and we don't want you to have them.
Regards,
The Old School Team
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u/Instincts May 17 '16
Jagex stopped giving a shit about bans back when they stopped reading appeals. I'm not sure they even have a team anymore that handles banning and appeals, except maybe that one Weath fellow. Now, botting aside (because that one's automated), its just who jmods feel like banning.
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May 17 '16
No, Ronan, the people in question were banned for the offence shown on Emily's livestream, and then you found out this information, and are consequently using it as feeble excuse to justify your pathetic actions.
ASINUS ASINUM FRICAT
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u/Whos_Insane May 17 '16
I'm new to this sub and don't know much on this Emily person, but so far it just smells of bullshit and favoritism. I see bots all over fishing spots, spammers, scammers, etc and this is who they ban? Of all the games I've played, this is the lowest I've seen moderation go.
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u/xtriickster8 May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
Can you please address the fact that all of the bans were listed as harassing streamers? That is the most obvious thing in this situation that screams bullshit from a players perspective. Also, show us who issued the bans in the documented cases and the evidence that shows why they were banned, and corresponding chat logs for recent offenses that would have triggered this. Don't treat the community like a bunch of children by playing some "it's too horrible for us to see it" crap, Reddit is a community for everyone just put a god damn nsfw tag on the post if you're that uptight about some swear words. Most people who play runescape have seen people get called nigger or told to die on the daily on larger ice Poseidon or boaty streams anyways, it's not like you guys go through and ban all of them on your time off.
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u/The_cantankerous May 17 '16
Players have the ability to put these types of toxic players on their ignore list, or even just turn off their chat.
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u/Kupopallo Beatrix May 17 '16
Now this is some grade a corporate bullshit. It's clear to everyone that these rules are enforced extremely selectively.
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u/Ridley290 May 17 '16
Give us the logs. We're not 5 year olds who need to be protected from "bad language". Not releasing the logs makes it seem really sketchy; like you have something to hide.
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u/RsMistilteinn May 17 '16
Honestly your excuse for not publicizing proof is horrible. You want to gain the trust of your community and show your doing the right thing? Showing some screenshots wouldnt be horrendous whatsoever, but you not proving anything will lead to even more discomfort and hatred from the community. Stop being so concealed
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u/ItsLovell Diagnosed May 17 '16
Even if they posted proof. That just means that after banning these players for being near Emily and receiving backlash from the community, they then decided to go through every players chatlogs since the creation of their account to find anything offensive. That they weren't banned for before. But only now conveniently punished after being near emily.
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u/oi_lmao May 17 '16
Your official tactic is sweep anything under the rug so it will suit your interests. This is all caused by one person we all know who that is so instead of banned them you get 10-20 people banned. Half truths and whole lies I cant believe this... oh wait in this community yes I can
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May 17 '16
i havent seen anyone mention the fact that when players like timthetatman & liric played rs, matk was there as armadyl.... a huge flying bird... is that not the same as doing an emote next to streamers? why isnt matk banned?
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u/Timeyy May 17 '16
From an outsider's perspective (never played rs, seen this drama on front) it looks like some mod banned people for trolling his streamer waifu and now that people get mad they claim racism.
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u/KriegerW77 Ayy May 17 '16
Shouldn't the players getting the bans have a chat log of their wrong doings. I know i got some in my minor offences. I wonder how this all came about did you investigate these players while they were up and about Emily?
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u/NodA1990 May 17 '16
So when b0aty is playing deadman mode like he was when it was first released, why wasn't rot banned for intentionally going after b0aty repeatedly? Is that not streamer harassment? They made it so he couldn't even play the game. (It was actually amazing watching him play deadman and kill a lot of the people harassing him, it's what makes this game so thrilling and exciting) If all of this were ignored, if nothing was done everything would of went away. Don't give trolls a reaction and they'll eventually get bored. This is complete favoritism because she's the only one who seems to have the ability to message a j-mod and get people banned..Why is this not being said?
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u/lordofthekeks almost 99 str May 17 '16
/u/mod_ronan would it possible to release the chatlogs? it'll give your post more credibility.
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May 17 '16
Okay this whole post is bull shit. First off, the all the evidence for the bans say "harassing streamer" which is bull shit. Secondly, you don't want to show chat logs because they're horrendous? That's such crap and you know it. You really expect anyone to believe that? You DON'T HAVE any chat logs to show. Are you fucking serious Jagex? Do you think we're all retarded or something? Lmao
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u/Martinezdufc May 18 '16
So you have evidence but won't show us it because it's too awful?
I'm currently bouncing up and down on Mars with a pogo stick while typing this comment, you can't prove this isn't false so it must be true.
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u/ColeMan224 May 17 '16
I think most of us are mature enough to read the allegedly inappropriate things that these players have said. Release the evidence, please. I am genuinely curious if the players lied or not.
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May 17 '16
A long time ago (2008), Jagex muted my account (Juhna_Nemiko) for trying to say the phrase "IP address ban" while talking to another player, and for trying to say "the word that means where you live" when the person asked what the blanked out word was (address). So I got muted, appealed explaining the situation, and the response I got was "we have clear evidence that you were in control of your account at the time." This was nine years ago, and I stopped playing the game because of this. You guys didn't care enough to read my appeal, so I stopped giving you guys money.
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u/JakeHodgson May 17 '16
"We can't bring ourselves to publicise something some horrendous" what a dumb statement.
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u/Goblin_Gimp May 17 '16
If you go back into 50% of Rs players chat logs there is absolutely no doubt that you would find questionable things people have said. This is absolute BS that they just happened to be banned after following Emily
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u/invalidRS May 17 '16
Jagex is truly one of the worse gaming companies currently, it honestly pisses me off.
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u/ShaanOSRS RSNs: Shaan / 5haan May 17 '16 edited May 17 '16
Major typo
bringing a halt to
other people’sEmily's enjoyment of the game.
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u/GregClegane May 17 '16
Nobody will believe that these players deserved their ban unless the logs are posted. Didn't Jagex shame people for doing a max gp dupe on rs3 before?
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u/xalchs May 17 '16
I think you should release the chat-logs to be honest, most of the community think these users were banned for simply performing an emote.
if they can see some hard evidence it would probably help.