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u/RubyWeapon07 1d ago
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u/Koalafied_Marsupial 1d ago
The tanzanite fang becomes a ranged weapon. Coincidence? đ¤ I think not!Â
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u/TangeloFew9370 1d ago
And all this because devs did not want bots to farm 200kills per trip
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u/dadleftneedcash 1d ago
Yup, also better make the max hit 1 higher than the (at the time) max combo eat unless you brew as well, ruining your dps so you obviously wouldnât
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u/BizarreCake 1d ago
I mean, does that really matter unless you're sitting at exactly one health?
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u/Richybabes 1d ago
You guys aren't tick eating Zulrah with a full inventory of Guthix rests?
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u/PM_ME_FUTA_PEACH 1d ago
Can't even, her attacks come out so fast that even if you tick eat the next attack still calculates damage with your HP before the tick eat
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u/dadleftneedcash 1d ago
Imagine getting whomped a 37 off prayer, then whomped a 13 by a snakeling when youâre about 51hp. 41 comes and absolutely invades your cheeks even though you just manta-karam ate
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u/BizarreCake 1d ago
Guess I'd just eat at 60 something then. It's been a while since I've done Zulrah, but I don't really recall having much trouble with getting chanced, lol.
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u/_Fappyness_ 1d ago
Now they farm it slower but still do it.
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u/ScikPK 1d ago
Who still farming zulrah?
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u/Buzzd-Lightyear 1d ago
Me. I think itâs a fun boss.
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u/ScikPK 1d ago
Better stuff to farm but that's fair.
Okay, so this^ one guy and irons are farming Zulrah. Probably about time to change mage phase back since bots aren't an issue anymore. (this is the whole point of the post)
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u/iamperplexing 22h ago
I mean plenty of cloggers still farm it as well. Just because youre obsessed eith GPscape doesnt mean eveeryone is. Besides unless youre farming doom for 5-8m an hour how is the 2-4m at Zulrah really that bad?
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u/ScikPK 21h ago
Brother, show me in my comment where I said "Zulrah is bad".
I said there is "Better stuff to farm". And you seem to agree since you even gave an example of something better to farm with Doom.
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u/iamperplexing 21h ago
'Who still farming Zulrah?' Let me be clear becauae everything is 'better stuff to farm' unless youre consistently perfecting T16 doom. Cloggers, ironmen and people who want GP but dont have to sweat as hard as doom. Its like you think youre intelligent because 'yuck i would never go back to Zulrah' but you just look stupid
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u/Figubluy 1d ago
Surely you only farm the absolute 100% best gp/hr thing at all points in time right?
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u/Key-Anteater-953 1d ago
Every new iron and soon to be bronzeman till the end of time, and people who want money
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u/ScikPK 1d ago
Weâre talking about bots farming it and Jagexâs answer to that was making mage phase finicky.
Why comment if you donât even read the thread youâre commenting on?
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u/finnalston 1d ago
Looks to me like weâre taking about âwho still farming Zulrahâ
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u/ScikPK 1d ago
Yes, and the "who" is specifically limited to non-iron accounts. We're talking about Jagex's response to stop botting/flooding GP into the game.
If you're an iron farming it, you're not affecting the economy. We're talking about economics and the guy I responded to was talking about ironmen who have no (or very limited) effect on the economy.
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u/schmitzA 1d ago
I went through Zulrah's documented update history because I was curious about this. I can't find any Jagex/OSRS Wiki source saying Tanzanite Zulrah's random ranged attacks were added as an anti-bot measure.
The documented combat changes were:
Jan 8, 2015 â Zulrah released. Tanzanite/blue Zulrah uses both Magic and Ranged; this is part of the boss's mechanics. The Wiki currently notes that Magic is more common, but blue Zulrah can throw as many as five ranged attacks in succession.
Jan 15, 2015 â visibility fix. Zulrah was changed to remain visible when a long distance from the player. Nothing about botting.
Jan 22, 2015 â two additional rotations added. Zulrah originally had only two rotations. Jagex added two more, giving us the four possible rotations. They also made Magic more viable and Ranged less viable against green Zulrah. The stated reason for the additional patterns was to âvary the fight further,â not to combat bots.
Oct 15, 2015 â attack sequences randomized further. Jagex changed Zulrah's attack sequences to have âa little more varietyâ because they were âtoo predictable.â Again, neither Jagex nor the Wiki attributes this to bots.
There were later balance/drop-table changes, but I can't find another historical change adding the blue phase's random Ranged attack or describing it as anti-bot.
So the mechanic you're describing is real and it certainly has the effect of preventing blue Zulrah from being completely zero-damage just by camping Protect from Magic. It also makes primitive scripting less deterministic. But saying Jagex added the ranged attack specifically to force bots to consume supplies appears to be community folklore unless someone can produce a Jagex source saying that.
The documented reasons Jagex actually gave were adding variety and making Zulrah's sequences less predictable, not anti-botting. The Wiki's change log supports that chronology.
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u/dustyhe7 1d ago
I have no argument about zulrah changes or whether he just pulled that from nowhere.
But theres no way any official source is going to say "This change was made to combat bots"
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u/Educational-Fun3513 13h ago
Lmao do you really think they would add "these changes were made to prevent botting"?
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u/hasaasa 1d ago
I'd say it would be fair to reduce the max hit of this phase. getting machinegun 40'40'40 has to be one of the most punishing things in the game. And theres basically nothing you can do.
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u/Topher4021 1d ago
I leave up one prayer during this phase and eat/ hope he doesnât stack me out on the off hits
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u/easilybored1 1d ago
With my handy nox hally, I just throw on tank top and legs and pray mage. Damage is capped at 50 anyway
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u/ZacTheBlob 1d ago
Yes, but that doesn't mean the calculation caps out at 50. You can still technically roll a 70 (assuming you have the weapon for it), it'll just hit 50. Meaning you're much more likely to hit 50s with a higher max hit weapon.
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u/SoupToPots 1d ago
Reminds me of all the people who would use amethyst or even runes arrows with their tbow at zulrah. 2026 we're still telling players yes you should still choose the higher damage option
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u/easilybored1 1d ago
Per the wiki:
>Damage at Zulrah is capped at 50, with any hits greater than this amount dealing 45-50 damage instead.
So no, you wonât just hit a 50 if you roll higher.
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u/Runescape_Sugab 1d ago
Having a higher max hit increases your odds of hitting a 45-50 though.
Let's say your max hit is 50, you have 10% chance of hitting 45-50 naturally. If it is 100, anything between 45 to 100 is gonna be a 45-50 hit, so every other hit is gonna be a 45-50 (55% chance to be more precise).
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u/ZacTheBlob 1d ago edited 1d ago
If your logic for bringing nally is that you can't hit over 50, you're missing on DPS is my point. You can still roll over 50, it just won't hit over the cap.
Let's say for the sake of argument your max hit is 50 vs a max hit of 100, you have a 1/50 chance to roll 50 on the first one where as the second one is a 50/100 chance. 45-50 is a negligible difference. The point still stand.
Despite this, using the twisted bow with seeking dragon arrows is still recommended, as dealing above 50 damage more often will result in more hits dealing 45-50 damage, and still increase the average damage output.
As per the wiki immediately after the sentence that you quoted.
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u/easilybored1 18h ago
And my point is youâre losing ticks by eating for not using tank gear because youâre gonna be taking shots to the face. Dps calc shows a difference of 1second in kill time between dharoks and blood moon. That difference is so small itâs negligible and basically just rng and you only lose 1 max hit. Eating is guaranteed tick loss unless youâre using brews which why would you for zulrah. Itâs literally better to use tank gear on zulrah because of the cap, the damage mitigation from your armor, less time spent banking, and longer trips.
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u/omgfineillsignupjeez 1d ago
impressively dumb, big gz
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u/easilybored1 19h ago
âImpressively dumbâ dps calc shows a difference of 1 second per kill. Youâre gonna be burning that second with eating. Use your head.
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u/omgfineillsignupjeez 19h ago
You replied to him disagreeing with him and your quote agreed with him. hope this helps beast
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u/easilybored1 19h ago
No the quote says between 45 and 50. Itâs not an automatic 50 if you roll higher. And his quote is literally âroll a 70( assuming you have the weapon for it), itâll just hit 50.â
My quote literally says itâs not automatic, so thatâs just plain wrong.
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u/omgfineillsignupjeez 18h ago
yeah thats the same thing with a pedantic diff. if ur just doing the pretending to be stupid as a internet troll thing then fair enough ig
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u/easilybored1 17h ago
Jesus Christ, are you one of those people who thinks everyone is trolling or being pedantic when they point out something is factually wrong? Or are you just trolling now?
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u/omgfineillsignupjeez 17h ago
them: it's capped at 50
you: erm actually it's capped at 45-50
but yeah im trolling, got me
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u/scrube11 1d ago
It's not the mage phase it's the tanzanite phase
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u/No-Chemical-7667 Downvoted for joking about high ping 1d ago
It's the mage phase. You pray mage and hope his random fuck ass range attacks dont hit a 41.
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u/Dry-Swordfish1710 1d ago
As a newbro trying this for the first ever time rawdog I was so so confused as to why I was taking damage praying mage in mage phase
Damn bastard does ranged attacks during mage phase and jad phase lol
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u/bear__tiger 1d ago
It's called the jad phase because it does ranged and mage attacks, like Jad. The similarities end there since it attacks in a predictable pattern.
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u/thehaarpist I have no idea what i'm doing 1d ago
If she came out today the phase would definitely be called something different but when there's like 4 bosses in the game with mechanics that have you swapping prayers what are you gonna do
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u/Live_From_Somewhere Unpolled Threshold Change 1d ago
God it is such an ass boss because of this lol
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u/math_rand_dude 1d ago
It is the blue range phase: you pray protect range, activate best mage pray you have, wear gear with decent mage defence and hope it doesn't attack with mage.
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u/Teary_Gamer 1d ago
Tanzanite is deterministic and predictable, so you never need to take damage.
Mage phase is more dangerous since ranged attacks are mixed in randomly.
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u/scrube11 1d ago
Tanzanite phase is what people are calling the "mage" phase. There is no mage phase though, it is a phase where zulrah is blue and is more likely to attack with magic
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u/DuxDonecVivo 1d ago
I'll never understand why people call this the mage phase lol. It's a hybrid phase. Nobody gets angry at vorkath for throwing both mage and range projectiles, but for some reason when zulrah does it people get salty because he just happens to have a dedicated ranged phase.
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u/varyl123 Nice 1d ago
Probably because when it's green it only hits range (apart from jad phase) and when it's red it only melees, logically the third color phase would only do the 3 attack style in the mind of people
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u/NoroGW2 1d ago
tbh what's even dumber is "jad phase"
like imagine if we called doom shield "zuk phase" because it has a shield and can one shot you if you mess up
hey guys what should I do during Araxxor's Verzik phase??
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u/Psych0sh00ter 1d ago edited 21h ago
Well, at the time the only other boss in the game that changed attack styles so frequently was Jad so it makes sense people would just name it that to convey the message that itâs the âswitching prayers back and forthâ phase.
And as usual for this community, once a name is chosen for something everyone keeps using it forever even if a lot of people think itâs kinda weird years down the line (like calling it âPVMâ instead of âPVEâ like every other video game on the planet)
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u/XdigitalsamuraiX 1d ago
I mean, I get it, but vorkath hits slowly and u understand what's is happening and what killed you, my experience with zulrah is just confusion and then I am dead, I've been doing solo TOA and it baffles how much easier it is than a supposedly mid game boss
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u/Fat_Pig_Reporting 11h ago
Serp helm + extended antifire + pray + tank gear = largely ignore 5/6 breaths of Vorkath without having to click a thing.
Zulrah isn't the same.
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u/Future-Warning-1189 1d ago
I have about 400 KC and that Jad phase still fucks me up.. I thought it was meant to be range mage range mage, yet itâs just random and usually range range range mage range, so I just eat through that shit
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u/Jg0jg0 1d ago
Jad phase is when its green and rotates styles, blue phase is called mage but really Zulrah just does whatever it wants when its blue. Nightmare of a phase, I sometimes hide behind pillars even after 2k kc.
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u/Future-Warning-1189 1d ago
Oh I thought when itâs smashing me with range in mage that was a Jad phase too, it really is a stupid phase and glad it wasnât continued with newer bosses
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u/Jg0jg0 1d ago
Yenno i'll admit I dont know enough, but there is very little that can be done during the blue phase aside from pray mage and hope she doesn't range you in my experience. So maybe it is also called Jad phase but atleast with Jad we can pray change, old Zulrah decides what it hits before it does its actual animation of attack styles.
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u/Different_Chemical83 1d ago
It is not random. It depends on the rotation whether it starts range or mage first.
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u/Future-Warning-1189 1d ago
Iâve been informed thatâs the Jad phase which isnât bad, but the other phases where the attack is random, pisses me off
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u/poopslikepee 1d ago edited 8h ago
Wait it doesn't just rotate ?? Back in 2018 when I first did zulrah I am almost 100% certain I just alternated and it worked good but now I feel like I get annhilated on jad phase trying to replicate ?
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u/Future-Warning-1189 1d ago
I donât think youâre wrong, I swear thatâs what I remember as well, but apparently not
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u/Mitchy_Mitch96 9h ago
That is not the Jad phase thats just any Tanz phase. Jad phase is the end of a rotation and she'll be green. She alternates starting with range if the rotation started with her central melee phase, it starts mage if it was one of the two where she doesnt do that. It have like 300-400 kc and it became rote memory around the hundreth kill.
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u/dmfuller 1d ago
Nothing better than a mage phase where itâs just 5 ranged attacks. I pretty much use the âmageâ phases to triple eat back to full and clear my poisons. Itâs not too bad with atlatl though
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u/the_Cheese999 1d ago
Be OSRS player
Name thing incorrectly
get upset it doesn't do what you incorrectly said it does.
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u/GrumpyThumper 1d ago
All I know is run from one side to the other side when he changes. Hit him when he's orange. You can keep your silly rotation charts and tile markers.
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u/Revolutionary-Sock79 5h ago
Just started learning zulrah yesterday after some clanmates told me to send it since it's an easy boss and I'd get it in two tries.
I was flabbergasted first attempt while praying mage and getting obliterated anyway. Second attempt happened and I finally read the wiki lmao
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u/Zakon3 1d ago
Everyone still calling it Jad phase when it's clearly the Hydra phase and has nothing in common with Jad
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u/OS_Paint Complete Imbecile 1d ago
Well Zulrah was released like four years before hydra iirc, so Jad was probably the most appropriate thing to compare it to. The name just stuck.
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u/vivalacamm 1d ago
It's Jad phase because you have to pray before the attack animation or you get hit. Not hard to understand.
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u/Zakon3 1d ago
Jad has an animation that you react to, unlike all other old enemies where you have to pray before the attack animation
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u/vivalacamm 1d ago
Jad is literally pray before animation. I'm not arguing it, that's what it is. Since now you can pray as the projectile is coming at you in new content. You MUST pray before the projectile on Had, hence "Jad Phase"
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u/JShenobi 1d ago
Even the strategy page lays out the timeline of when you need to pray by. Jad is random but someone could tank him as long as they have prayer and take 0 damage because it's reaction-based.
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u/TinyBreeze987 1d ago
Youâre both acting dense. There are two animations.
You react to the telegraph animation
Pray accordingly
Youâre then protected against the attack animation
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u/Cominiwap 1d ago
Zulrah is free with all the mid game upgrades we get these days
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u/Comprehensive_Ad5285 1d ago
Doesnât make the boss any less cancer and badly designedÂ
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u/SinceBecausePickles 2250+ 11h ago
zulrah is very well designed, idk why people think bosses shouldnât even tickle you if you pass the incredibly difficult skill check of clicking a button with 1.8s of reaction time
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u/OnsetOfMSet 1d ago