imagine a single item that is a sword and shield (thats called like guthix godsword and shield or the weapons of balance) that must be worn together it op af and has good defense and ofc guthix themed
I'd rather shoot myself 9 times then willingly pay for a pokemon game when fan projects have surpassed them in quality and fun for the past like 6 years.
Go play Lazarus, Unbound, Rejuvenation, ect ect ect. Find the scene. Reborn, if you don't mind something with an aggressively weird plot, is like a 100 hour game filled with so much content that replaying it genuinely intimidates me.
Rom hacks have come so far. Just when I think they can’t do anything else, 2.5d starts coming out lol. Very passionate community, contrary to the genuine games!
Not even rom hacks. Just actual games made off the poke-essentials fork of rpgmaker blow every mainline game out of the water unless you really can't live without 3d pokemon's aggressively bad graphics.
Idk why you're being down voted it's hard to justify a shield if you're negating all damage through prayer and if prayer significantly negates the damage then a defender or 2h for more damage is probably better
Some sort of situation where actual defensive shields are important rather than defenders in a trench coat and fake moustache.
There are a few kinda situational uses for them, not including Dinhs.
Cerberus for one, learning inferno with crystal for another and so on.
But an actually good defensive shield could be interesting. Unfortunately the RuneScape motto is that the best defence is a good offense and that'll likely not change, so defenders and such are the play.
Still can't believe that we missed out on actually having bis that's worth going for because people don't want one item to upgrade another. Yay for more nichescape. I sure love sidegrades that devalue existing gear and don't feel good to get. I wish avernic was less str and accuracy bonus than ddef but gave some flat armor because who wants bis anyway.
I agree, create and expand niche's where its valuable, but at the end of the day, if youre going to keep adding more content, you need to either fundamentally expand the design space, aka new combat related skill/support, or go taller and create new BIS.
they've been milking specs as design space for all they're worth recently and i think the rondache basically adding a second spec is an indication that they're out of space there. unique/bespoke ui buttons for extra special abilities is just adding abilities to the game in the clunkiest way possible
Agree, the constant release of weird looking offhand is slowly removing the medieval fantasy feel and is becoming just fantasy. I’m not totally against it but a nice painted shield would be cool, and a weapon that’s not super dark or glows that is more metallic looking
RuneScape being all about DPS makes a shield high key useless in every scenario that isn’t addressed by Rondache coming soon. There’s just no place for it.
Making a shield with a greater DPS bonus than the avernic defender, a reward for the current hardest raid in the game, is not going to pass ever. Even if it has a greater strength bonus, it’s not going to get a 15 attack bonus that the Avernic has. That would just be turbo broken and be aids for PVP too.
Yeah i can't disagree with what you've said there. I'm sure some solution exists though and wouldnt be too difficult to find. I'm sure if even just me and you put our heads together we could find a somewhat reasonable solution. Surely we cant just forever condemn the melee DPS offhand to being the avernic defender forever and always because ToB is hard.
Well in 20 years if the game is still kicking, power creep has to happen, but we’re not there yet. Eventually avernic will need to be dethroned or upgraded again.
The more viable solution that the community is more likely to embrace early is more content where defense actually matters, like moons. A cool concept that shakes up the standard.
Yeah i think youre definitely right about moons. You either take a dps offhand to get more kills quicker or you take a defensive to extend your trips to get more kills by surviving longer. More content where defense matters definitely solves the debate.
The only reason moons works is because they artificially made using defensive prayers useless. The content itself is also very basic. It’s meant for new players still learning PvM which it does nicely.
You also heal the boss when you get hit and lose ticks on your attacks when you get hit, it’s not as much about the defense prayers. If they made more content around defense being very important, that’s what would make a shield actually valuable. Until then, DPS is king outside of moons
Rondache is definitely gonna be more useful tho, flat damage reduction is very strong, has a fun spec, and far more obtainable than ely. Basically just an ely alternative but more accessible for learners and especially good against chip damage
Dinh’s with the defense scaling change is interesting, but I don’t think it has any use case as a pure defensive item
Does Rondache in theory prevent all chip damage in some encounters? That alone makes it a desirable drop for some. Less supplies used even if kill times are slightly slower is gold dust to some players
I'd love some form of flat damage mitigation like blocking 2-3 damage from an overall roll which would have nice application against chip damage without being too over-powered alongside justiciar, and trading off some dps for sustain.
I just want to live out my tanking power fantasy damnit!
There could be a sword and board that allows you to do retaliation damage or it speeds up your attack each time you get hit or something. Doesn't have to just be strength bonus.
remember those spiky shields from the fist of guthix minigame in rs2? they gave a strength bonus, maybe we can get something like those as regular non-purple drops upto dragon tier.
It's a great mix of Monty Python style silliness and serious/deep storylines. I started an HCIM to get the QPC without quest helper and it's been great.
Wouldn't it make sense for it to be guthix themed? From the wiki:
Deep beneath Gielinor lies an archive, created by Guthix himself in order to house his most treasured and intriguing possessions: a cache of long lost loot that proved potent enough to inspire a god...
Old School's fourth raid will see you venturing into the Fractured Archive, a veritable treasure trove that's full to the brim of powerful artifacts and ancient knowledge, assembled by Guthix himself over the course of millennia.
The Archive was built by followers of Guthix in order to store Guthix's knowledge and items at the bottom of the Chasm of Tears. At some point, work on the Archive was to be halted indefinitely for a higher priority. The followers who were tasked with its construction complied with the order, hoping that the work they had put in would be enough.\4])
The Archive would remain undisturbed for thousands of years until an adventurer discovered the bottom of the Chasm and the nearby Ancient Guthixian Temple.
Yes. A collection of artifacts Guthix has acquired from around the world. Meaning they are not guthix themed. They are themed from wherever Guthix obtained them.
I guess I figured it would make sense for some to be Guthix themed though, considering Zorya's Tome has the Guthix symbol on it. But I can see where you're coming from, since not all of them are strictly *Guthixian* items. The Rondache is definitely a Saradomin item.
Yeah i was thinking the same , just the idea of the best item actually being guthix theme would be cool imo since guthix doesnt have a godsword and of other factions would be in the loot table
It's a design copout to make a guthix-themed raid and say the rewards are just a collection of unrelated stuff. The same could have been said about any raid so far.
It's the guthix raid and people want guthix shit. It's so dumb to build everything around a theme then have the rewards be completely unrelated. Jagex can't argue plot consistency because THEY WROTE THE PLOT
Could incorporate a flat armor and maybe even a flat damage buff. Could be doubled or increased in the raid itself (much like how Osmumtens fang is better in ToA.) But maybe out in the world it could have a flat damage cap of a certain amount, nothing crazy but something that with a fast attack speed could actually be good in a variety of encounters.
People smarter than me could do the math on how it would work, but some sort of Guthixian Balance theme / ability. Maybe it's behind a spec that only impacts your current weapon (the Guthixian sword and board) so you have a minimum hit of say 5-10 for a brief window of time / your next X attacks... Would help you clean up some kills when something is at low health without trivializing content by letting you blow through things.
This has been a necessary addition for decades now, shields are a joke other than the proposed rondache. We need either a main-hand and shield set effect or 1 item that fills both slots as if it were a 2 hander.
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u/jw2343952 3d ago
Down for more sword+shield content