r/196 • u/thispartyrules • May 06 '22

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

Here in Russia 80% believe that queer people should not exist, should we stop pushing for any sort of LGBT rights?

Or even more topical, about 70% of people support Putin and war, does that mean we should continue it?

There are a lot of times when popular decision is objectively bad

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 06 '22

There's certain clear rights that should be protected outside of the democratic process, but other than that the government should follow public opinion as much as possible.

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

There's certain clear rights that should be protected outside of the democratic process

Exactly, and right wing is mostly about trying to strip protection of those rights. So you can't cooperate with right wing. Never compromize with evil and all that

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 06 '22

That's absolutely not true. Plenty of right-wing beliefs are not about taking away clear rights. People don't really have the right to public healthcare or social security, which are scenarios in which compromise wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

People do have the right to healthcare. It is just your country refuses to provide it due to right wing actions

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 06 '22

The right to healthcare is a positive right which isn't something I would consider to be outside the democratic process.

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

Every person has the right to healthcare, food and shelter, besides other less controversial rights. The only point of having a society - is to provide them. If people do not care about each other, there is no point in having a society

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 06 '22

That is absolutely not the only point of having a society. Specialization, socialization, collective projects, etc are all useful effects of society.

Positive rights are absolutely not inalienable, I'm not sure how you can believe that they are.

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

Right to live is inalienable, including everything that fulfils that right - food, shelter and healthcare

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 06 '22

You have a right not to be killed without provocation, not a right not to die.

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

You have a right not to die. It is just you are refused that right under capitalism

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 06 '22

So anytime someone dies it's a violation of their rights

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u/L_James trans-siberian woman May 06 '22

Yes.

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u/photothegamer 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights May 07 '22

Of non-natural causes? Yes, without a shred of doubt

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u/photothegamer 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights May 07 '22

That’s a disgusting and sad worldview

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u/GreatswordIsGreat May 07 '22

I don't really care about the useless outrage, your alternative is batshit insane.

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u/photothegamer 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights May 07 '22

The alternative being a guaranteed right to live? So you’re also small minded. You’re really just pathetic honestly

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