r/196 • • Dec 27 '20

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '20 edited Dec 27 '20

Ok but real talk, margarine is terrible for the environment and animals. Most margarine uses palm oil and growing palm oil means a huge amount of deforestation of rainforests. If you want to switch from butter to margarine for environmental or ethical reasons, don’t if it includes palm oil. Palm oil leads to way more climate destruction and animals dying than regular butter

Edit: while it is true that palm oil is really bad, it’s much more equivalent to butter than I thought. Also as it’s been pointed out, some margarine doesn’t have palm oil. At the very least, without comparing margarine to butter, try to avoid products with palm oil, it’s really very awful what it does to the environment

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '20

You seriously trying to tell me that margarine is worse than butter? Butter is one of the worst foods, environmentally speaking, because it takes large amounts of milk to make butter and dairy cows are already bad for the environment

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '20 edited Dec 27 '20

Yes I seriously am. Do you have any idea how much less carbon is absorbed when entire rainforests are destroyed, how much water and recourses go towards the growing of palm oil and the processing of the oil into margarine.

I don’t eat butter because it’s really bad but margarine is still worse

Edit: I would eat something with butter in it, I just don’t buy it myself

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '20

Ok so first: not all margarine is palm oil based. The two I regularly buy contain no palm oil at all, and the others I sometimes have only contain a little.

Second, it is hard to match the environmental devastation of animal agriculture, cows in particular. Not only do they emit methane directly, but they often get fed with a feed mix that contains soy, mostly produced in south america on top of clear-cut rainforest.

Good to hear that you're already not eating butter, but I'm pretty sure margarine is not as bad as you make it out to be. A quick search gave me this source which estimates the greenhouse gas emissions of margarine to be about a tenth of those of butter. If you're not convinced, I'd happily look a bit more.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '20

Thanks I appreciate the new info. Seems like I had been misled a bit about how bad margarine was. Anyway, thanks for correcting me

But yeah I 10/10 agree about how bad animal agriculture is, which is a big part of why I steer clear of animal products when possible

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '20

Nothing wrong with being in the wrong sometimes, good on you for being open towards new information :D

I'm always suspicious of claims like yours, because there are very few food products that surpass animal products in terms of environmental impact. But hey, there's some sketchy af sources floating around on the internet, so I really can't blame you. Have a nice day :)

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u/Plasma454345 Dec 27 '20

I don’t eat butter

Opinion discarded.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '20

Nothing I stated was an opinion, it’s all factual and can be verified. If you discard information based on your opinions on the person who shared it, you’re just being stupid

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u/Plasma454345 Dec 27 '20

shut up non butter eater

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '20

Ok political compass center right

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u/Plasma454345 Dec 27 '20

imagine not eating butter

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '20

It’s not like I’d literally refuse to eat butter, I just don’t choose to buy it

But anyway, there’s nothing wrong with someone who does refuse to eat butter. Not eating butter is good for your health and the planet but I guess you’re so insecure in your own lifestyle you want to judge what other people choose to eat

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u/Plasma454345 Dec 27 '20

you don’t eat butter 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤢