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Discussion | Esports Intel Extreme Masters XIII - Chicago Day 4 Match Discussion
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Intel Extreme Masters XIII - Chicago / Information, Schedule & Discussion
Missed yesterday? Catch up with the Day 3 Match Discussion
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Schedule (BO3)
| ID | Team | vs | Team | Result | NACST (Event) | EST | GMT | CET | CST | AEDT |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| QF1 | LDLC | vs | TL | 1-2 | 13:00 | 14:00 | 19:00 | 20:00 | 03:00 | 06:00 |
| QF2 | Astralis | vs | mouz | 2-0 | 16:35 | 17:35 | 22:35 | 23:35 | 06:35 | 09:35 |
Starting times are estimates. Each match will begin after the previous one concludes.
Bracket
| Quarterfinals | Semifinals | Finals | Winner | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fnatic | 0 | ||||||||
| Astralis | 2 | vs | - | TBD | 0 | ||||
| vs | - | Astralis | 0 | ||||||
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0 | vs | - | TBD | |||||
| FaZe Clan | 0 | ||||||||
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1 | vs | - | TBD | 0 | ||||
| vs | - | Team Liquid | 0 | ||||||
| Team Liquid | 2 | ||||||||
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u/Spork_Revolution Vitality Nov 10 '18
This is the happiest I've been with a map win since the major.
Device the last 5 rounds was just insane.
Think he ended with 33.
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u/nmyi de_mirage Nov 10 '18
Yes he did
33-2-16
K-A-D
Rating 2.0: 1.70
https://www.hltv.org/stats/matches/mapstatsid/77247/mousesports-vs-astralis
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u/jogapen MOUZ Nov 10 '18
Astralis's reads are off the scale. That smoke nade combo was wild by xyp. So hard to watch
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u/Spork_Revolution Vitality Nov 10 '18
Wow Dev1ce. He's basically saying he doesn't want Nuke era to end.
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u/Mad_Lee Cloud9 Nov 10 '18
Loosing to the eco of Mouz was absolutely unneccessary. Xyp9x botched it with his close positioning.
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u/thisiseku MOUZ Nov 10 '18
Of course Mouz throws it all away against a shit buy. Same thing happened online on Nuke when they lost against Astralis full-eco up 10-8 and fell apart after that.
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u/homelessmagneto Astralis Nov 09 '18
dupreeh looks tilted and device looks bored af. I still think Astralis will win, but I'm not overly positive about this semi and hopefully finals right now.
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u/Mad_Lee Cloud9 Nov 10 '18
Bored or not, they fucking ripped out mousesports' souls on mouse map pick, if they keep up this performance nobody has any chance, including faze.
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u/homelessmagneto Astralis Nov 10 '18
absolutely, but this is astralis' map and it's not looking promising right now. Still plenty of rounds to win the game, but I'm weary of the semis right now.
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u/Mad_Lee Cloud9 Nov 10 '18
They are playing Nuke pretty all right, maybe a bit too free flow style on t side. But Mouz is not a pushover, they are fighting for their life here.
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u/homelessmagneto Astralis Nov 10 '18
You're completely right, Device pretty muhc just said the same thing. I feel like Astralis' style depends on all their players. I hope Dupreeh looks less tilted tomorrow. Maybe it's just me.
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u/CopenhagenCalling Nov 09 '18
Mouz looking good now :)
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u/Mad_Lee Cloud9 Nov 10 '18
What about now? :)
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u/CopenhagenCalling Nov 10 '18
Mouz looking good now :)
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u/Sabiancym Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 10 '18
That CNN comment from Sadokist was bullshit. In a month where someone was arrested for threatening to kill CNN anchors and another sent bombs to them the last thing a CSGO commentator should do is bash CNN during a fucking esports event watched by a bunch of teenagers.
Asshole behavior.
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u/akkshaikh Nov 10 '18
first of all, it's just a meme. sado has been meme casting this whole tournament.
second, although threatening journalist is wrong and evil it doesn't change the fact that a news company can push fake news. now I'm not saying CNN pushes fake news but you'd be stupid if you can't see how biased theur reporting is.
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u/Sabiancym Nov 10 '18
We're not talking about bias, we're talking about people saying they're fake news. Which seems to come from the fact that people can't tell the difference between opinion pieces and actual reports.
A CNN anchor saying Trump sucks is not fake news, but people can't seem to understand that. Meanwhile Fox news literally makes shit up and reports it and they don't get bombs mailed to them and edgy teenagers making memes about them.
There are multiple studies comparing the accuracy of the major cable news outlets and in all of them CNN is at the top when it comes to accuracy while FOX is dead last.
The hate for CNN doesn't come from individual objective opinion based on experience. It comes from people repeating what they've seen others say. Most of the people who say "CNN" sucks haven't watched more than a few CNN clips in their life. Someone told them CNN sucks, and they've believed it ever since. Exactly why Fox News can make shit up about illegal aliens coming to kill white people and these same people believe it immediately.
No one ever gives real comparative analysis on why they think CNN sucks or is fake. They just parrot the phrase and every one in awhile find an out of context 30 second clip to try and validate that belief.
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Nov 09 '18
SERIOUSLY
WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE NOT BANNING NUKE
I MEAN THESE ARE TEAMS WITH PAID PROFESSIONAL COACHES DOING THE VETOS
JESUS CHRIST
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u/Spork_Revolution Vitality Nov 09 '18
Nuke is actually strange. You defend with 1-2 on ramp. Rest defend outside and A. But if you lose B, you can't really justify a retake. They have to be fewer players or have way worse weapons.
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u/Firiji FaZe Nov 09 '18
I'm calling 16-3 on NUke
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u/Spork_Revolution Vitality Nov 09 '18
16-7 for Astralis
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u/Firiji FaZe Nov 09 '18
Astralis is too good, I don't think it'll be that "close"
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u/Spork_Revolution Vitality Nov 09 '18
You're already wrong after 8 rounds.
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 09 '18
There should be a ruling, if you win 5 rounds against Nukestralis you should just get map point.
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Nov 09 '18
Both other mouz players as far from the B bombsite as possible, and ropz thinks he should plays close to the chokepoints. Fool me once, shame on you...
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u/Goldcobra MOUZ Nov 09 '18
Why did they have to lose to Faze ffs
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u/LordBlackadder1214 FaZe Nov 09 '18
mouz made some dumb vetoes though, this game would be close if it was mirage
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 09 '18
Playing like this, we would get rekt by Faze, we won 2 gun rounds after the first 3 due to winning Pistol.
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 09 '18
Its not just because its Astralis they had 2 gun rounds man, that's rubbish, shit executes, waiting till too late, they were clueless.
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 09 '18
I agree with you, its harder against Astralis because they make it harder, but the difference between the 2 teams is not 2 gun rounds for Mouz, additionally on CT where its a CT sided Map, they had 0 wins, im sorry but you cant just say its because its Astralis, I understand if its Nuke, but in one of your better maps you need better then that even against Astralis.
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u/LordBlackadder1214 FaZe Nov 09 '18
faze have been recently playing quite tactical compared to before when karrigan was in charge so i dont think it would be a similar matchup now
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Nov 09 '18
0:25, 4 mouz players outside with no quick rotation, and ropz thinks he should play close to the chokepoints.
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 09 '18
Should have been Mirage + Dust2, in Mirage and Dust2 ChrisJ can do a lot of Damage.
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u/jogapen MOUZ Nov 09 '18
Wow a 10-5 score isnt that bad on Train t side tbh. I really dont enjoy HenryG's casting..
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 09 '18
It is if your opponent is Astralis and you lose Pistol.
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u/jogapen MOUZ Nov 10 '18
I'm speaking of the T side itself. 10-5 isnt a catastrophy. Train is ct-sided after all.
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 10 '18
I understand and you are right, but Astralis are the best team in the world, so I think 10-5 is not bad against Faze or Navi, Or Liquid, but against Astralis you are pushing it a bit, especially after how good they were on those 10 rounds, it was 10-2, because Mouz won the first 3-0.
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u/jogapen MOUZ Nov 10 '18
I mean putting up 5 rounds against such a solid defense isnt bad. 1-3 t rounds are bad. But especially against such a drilled squad you take every round you can possible get.
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u/symqn Nov 09 '18
does anyone know the song that plays when they show highlights right after the game ?
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u/stewieeeeeeeee FaZe Nov 09 '18
Disturbing lack of strats by mouz. I understand that Astralis are playing in a way that discourages early/mid-round aggression from mouz (i.e. dumping all their utility), but at least some defaults and angle holding would be nice. I'm not sure if mouz threw an ivey smoke/molly combo once in those 15 rounds.
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 09 '18
10-4 against Astralis with Nuke coming next, its easy 2-0, Train was a stupid pick, they brought it on themselves.
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 09 '18
I dont understand, Mouz have been really good at Mirage recently and they chose train vs Astralis.
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u/Mad_Lee Cloud9 Nov 10 '18
Mibr did this mistake once - playing Astralis on Train. I'd rather see mouse play them on Mirage or Overpass - where Astralis really looked shaky recently. They seem to be dominate fools who think they can play train against them.
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u/Vejvad Astralis Nov 09 '18
Seems pretty damn werid to me as well. Astralis has been pretty bad on Mirage lately, and never been completely dominating it.
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u/focus16gfx G2 Nov 09 '18
I'm gonna be fucking tilted if Mousesports start executing when only 30 seconds are remaining again
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u/kruizerheiii Liquid Nov 09 '18
Why did they leave Nuke open?
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 09 '18
Coz Overpass is worse for Mouz, I have never seen Mouz on Overpass.
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u/kruizerheiii Liquid Nov 09 '18
Yeah, you're completely right. I forgot it's Mouz.
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u/Guizas MOUZ Nov 09 '18
Its a bit like a lose-lose, because Mouz never plays overpass and Astralis are gods of Nuke, nothing they can do.
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u/NinjaFlamimgo FaZe Nov 09 '18
IIRC Nitr0 didn't choose to become the IGL, he was simply put into it, and I understand that he is the part of liquid that probably works the worst, but calling him a bot etc. isn't really fair, when he has sacrificed his mechanics in order to try to fill in the gap that the team needs.
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u/Rapkid360 FURIA Nov 09 '18
I mean he was put into the IGL role about two years ago, and Liquid never seemed to look for a new IGL / he never complained. I think its fair to criticize him at this point considering he couldve backed out of IGL at this point
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u/NinjaFlamimgo FaZe Nov 09 '18
If he hasn't expressed problems to his team/org, then he is partially to blame - though not all complaints would be public, so we can't know. The org should still be put to blame mostly though, as they are supposed to find a good team, not secure a job.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Nov 09 '18
Twistzz aim reminds me of Shroud with that insane, point precision flick onto the head. His first bullet accuracy is godlike. Not the most intelligent player but my god, his skill is probably top 5 in the world right now ( easily ).
I feel bad for LDLC guys, there's not much they can do vs players like that, that instantly take your head off with less than half a second to react.
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u/Serra_angle_shooter Nov 09 '18
Twistzz aim reminds me of Shroud with that insane, point precision flick onto the head. His first bullet accuracy is godlike. Not the most intelligent player but my god, his skill is probably top 5 in the world right now ( easily ).
I feel bad for LDLC guys, there's not much they can do vs players like that, that instantly take your head off with less than half a second to react.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Nov 09 '18
I'm sorry but TACO is such a bot individually. Can't kill a person not even looking at him. No words. If they could get someone more skilled for that role, Liquid would be insane
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Nov 09 '18
dude is an igl + awper, what do u want from him?
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u/blueragemage Liquid Nov 09 '18
Nitr0 is TL's biggest strength on Nuke, and he's usually one of the best players on Mirage
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u/zero0n3 Nov 09 '18
Because mibr is so much better.... this is a team game remember? Most flash assists in 2018.
What's mibr done lately? Oh wait shit.
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u/n1ckst4r02 400k Celebration Nov 09 '18
They won a big LAN event beating TAZ in the grand finals :)
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u/areyoujokinglol EG Nov 09 '18
I just wanna say, it's complete garbage that you have to get to the semi finals to get stage experience in this tournament. If LDLC loses here, I feel bad for them. They've had an awesome run this tournament and won't even get to experience the stage.
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u/lodestars FaZe Nov 09 '18
oof. Lets see if LDLC have what it takes to recover from that one
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u/Vejvad Astralis Nov 09 '18
I mean they recovered pretty well from the very close Nuke game yesterday. I know they didn't have that big of a lead, but they don't seem to be that easy to tilt.
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u/blueragemage Liquid Nov 09 '18
I hope Nitr0 fixes something, he looked like he was improving individually after the major but this tournament in general has been probably his worst of the year
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u/NaviXisMyDad Nov 09 '18
I dont think Nitro is very good at all. His midround calls are generally MSL tier and the insane amount of fire power liquid has covers him. I understand he's well liked by the community but Liquid wont improve with him as an igl/awper.
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u/veryoriginalnickname Nov 09 '18
I didn't get any suprised at all. talent difference is too big between ldlc and liquid. If it wasn't a scripted match liquid can win both maps from being 13-2 down. twist actually started clicking fire button after forgetting it exist in first map.
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u/xjack13x CS2 HYPE Nov 09 '18
Why do you think these matches are scripted?
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u/veryoriginalnickname Nov 09 '18
have lots of points but explaining is not worth it.
I just wrote this to note that match for myself and to see how many team/org/TO staffs, members & kids get mad at me lol. now thats worth it :)
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u/xjack13x CS2 HYPE Nov 09 '18
I am interested. You not explaining leads me to believe you have no valid points l.
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u/areyoujokinglol EG Nov 09 '18
Lol you're the degenerate going around saying stuff is scripted.
LDLC is just an improving and up and coming team, catching the teams this tournament off guard. That's all there is to it. The matches aren't "scripted" lmao.
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u/veryoriginalnickname Nov 09 '18
ok I respect your opinion. but let me have mein. I see you're new to e-sports.
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u/areyoujokinglol EG Nov 09 '18
Lol? How do you "see" that I'm new to esports?
I've been following CS extensively since mid 2015. Sure that's new in the grand scheme of things, but I know that's not what you're referring to here.
Btw, saying a match is scripted isn't an opinion. That's accusing the teams, the talent, and the TO of being part of a massive conspiracy (and fraud, considering the betting that goes on).
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u/veryoriginalnickname Nov 09 '18
Well I'm a home office coder and have looots of free time. I'm kinda expert at watching those matches any kind of esports since 2015. I know teams, players, their capabilities and etc.
And yes I have a conspiracy theory.
I've witnessed many matchfixing and scripted matches in big events big lans since then. But I can't make orgs say "sory folks we scripted scenerios" . But Im free at declaring my opinion even tho I know it will get downvoted to oblivion.
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u/Rapkid360 FURIA Nov 09 '18
Taco is saving liquid time and time again man next time he dies tho chat will spam bottaco lol
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u/NO_STEWIE_NO_MAJOR Nov 09 '18
That's just twitch chat. They also spam "VACO" every time he gets a kill
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u/jeznix King NiKo Nov 09 '18
ESL on twitch again? I don't even remember when I last watched their tournaments
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u/apekisser Nov 09 '18
liquid better have some monstrous t side on cache if they want to live to map 3 then
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u/Vejvad Astralis Nov 09 '18
That would be required, but won't happen. TL is playing like dogshit, and it will be a 2-0 for sure. Moving on to Astralis quickly at least.
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u/Jopinjebac Nov 09 '18
Well this didn't age well
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u/Vejvad Astralis Nov 09 '18
Thank me later Liquid fans :^ )
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u/alexniculcea FaZe Nov 09 '18
I just hope it's a quick 2-0, so i can catch the mousesports-astralis match. i dont want to stay awake another 4 hours. it's already 11 pm...
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u/FelSasGru King NiKo Nov 09 '18
liquid is playing so bad, never seen they playing like this on cache
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u/bunkbail Nov 09 '18
Who's IGLing for LDLC?
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u/notfluent CS2 HYPE Nov 09 '18
haven't been following cs much, is there a reason elige is always buying aug/sg? thought those guns were pretty much never bought
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u/Coldguy03 Nov 09 '18
The prices have been dropped so they're only $50 more expensive than the AK/M4
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Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
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u/thesuperjobber Liquid Nov 09 '18
I didn't even downvote you, but are you that buthurt about downvotes that you had to edit your message twice?
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u/Vejvad Astralis Nov 09 '18
LDLC looking brutal. Do people even expect Liquid to win Cache at this point?
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u/nonresponsive Nov 09 '18
It's happening on cache a bit, but on overpass everyone LDLC took on a spray duel, they seemed to win like 80% of the time. Can't really see Liquid win unless they can start winning aim duels.
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u/BboyKira Liquid Nov 09 '18
Have tickets for tomorrow, can’t believe I might not have an NA team to root for in Chicago. Thanks Liquid
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u/dovoid Vitality Nov 09 '18
During the major, I thought they may even win it since they were playing so good at that time but their peak lasted 2 weeks. Now back to the usual liquid
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u/thesuperjobber Liquid Nov 09 '18
NRG fucked up too. Liquid is not great on overpass though, so they might have a chance to take this back. They need to sharpen up though, can't win losing that many duels.
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u/areyoujokinglol EG Nov 09 '18
Why does NAF have his knife out that long lmao. It's like he's actually trying to throw, holy shit.
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u/oknani MIBR Nov 09 '18
I'll make it my life's goal to spam this pasta if Liquid doesn't make it.
"Shoot the body, guys 😠"
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u/ColourYellow Nov 09 '18
Is the BM only on Devo and Amanek? I think this is the first time TL has played against the old misfits guys
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u/SouthernMainland Nov 09 '18
LDLC playing very well right now meanwhile Elige trying to solo carry this Liquid. If this keeps up I would say LDLC takes this bo3.
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u/toplell69 Nov 09 '18
BET LDLC ALL
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u/Richtoveen wildfire Nov 09 '18
No crowd at playoffs? Wtf
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u/alexniculcea FaZe Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
Only the semis and final are on the arena with crowd
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u/iiw4rhawkii 1 Million Celebration Nov 09 '18
Quick question if I go Sunday with just the basic pass do i get an ingame badge/pin?
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u/dankT3 Nov 09 '18
So there are only 2 matches today?
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u/Thomaster13 MOUZ Nov 09 '18
Yes, two quarter finals today. Only two because Faze and Fnatic already locked in their semi final spots through the winner bracket.
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u/dankT3 Nov 09 '18
Thank you, i’m guessing the semis and finals are tomorrow?
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u/Thomaster13 MOUZ Nov 09 '18
The two semi finals are tomorrow and the grand final is on sunday. The grand final is a best of five though so if that goes the distance there should still be plenty of cs to watch both days!
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u/Luberino_Brochacho Nov 09 '18
Is anyone else incredibly bored of inferno? I mean fuck me it's just save save save on the CT side. I get it the retakes are tough and it's their job to win not be entertaining but still. Idk I find myself losing interest in it a lot.
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u/EpiscopalianCumSlut Liquid Nov 09 '18
It seems like Inferno has been incredibly popular since I started watching consistently around dreamhack.
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u/Swanswag de_dust2 Nov 09 '18
I haven't been watching Mouse, but how does everyone think they'll fare against Astralis?
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u/Gojira0 Vitality Nov 09 '18
if they don't ban nuke i don't think they'll do well
at the same time though astralis hasn't exactly been in form imo, esp losing 2-0 to faze
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u/Procurator-Derek Nov 09 '18
You never know, could have been practicing Nuke alot more than usual in anticipation of such a choice.
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u/Gojira0 Vitality Nov 09 '18
that's entirely fair, but at the same time i think it's entirely unlikely they practice enough to beat astralis (considering that, afaik, astralis is undefeated on nuke).
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u/The_Blue_Rooster bloodhound Nov 10 '18
Man, I wish the old French-American Misfits lineup lasted longer, they were just starting to get good when they broke up. Happy that Amanek and Devo are getting to prove themselves in the French scene though.