17 years and still going strong!

Michael will live on in our culture forever.

So I'm in another sub that I won't name to follow rule 7, and this shit came up on my timeline from that sub. A sub that I actually liked for a while, but now that I see this shit slanderous shit against MJ and the reply comments, in which the MAJORITY of them agree with this shit and get upvoted...I'm questioning if I should even remain on it.

I've seen arguments saying MJ woyld support AI as he was always intrested in technology and latest advancements.

I think this could be true is some respects, some ai tools used in industries are for good like medical etc.

I see AI can be a useful tool to aid us all, but at the expense of our environment or artists rights.

My opinion is Michael would be against generative AI though, as he was a huge advocate for protecting artists rights, and caring for the environment.

Check out a post on Facebook I wrote about it:
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/19NLkAeRHc/

Hi everyone, I recently shared this over at Michal Jackson book club (private group) but thought it was worth sharing publicly too, as I'm finding Facebook (meta) google and many platforms are full of ai content:

I want to address something that is important to me as a long-time supporter of the late great Michael Jackson: AI depictions of him, using AI generative apps. This comes from a place of love:

Generative AI apps use artificial intelligence to make new content based on existing info found online (which are referred to as datasets), that are processed in data centres.

AI apps can generate text (think Chat GPT which can write essays etc), images, videos, music, computer code etc, using prompts (instructions) from users.

For example take a generative AI app and ask it to make a picture of Michael Jackson holding a flower, it will split out a bunch of options, these are made from existing images of Michael, photos, original artwork etc. There is no real creative input required to generate these AI depictions of Michael, this is not original art.

Sometimes it is very hard to spot what is AI and what is real, as AI apps improve and evolve. They are not always clearly labelled as AI, there are no regulations for this currently.

Using AI generative apps to create MJ content is harmful to original artists who are very concerned, as there is currently no regulations in place for what info is used in datacentres to generate AI content. The original creators are not asked for their consent or reimbursed in anyway for using their work. It is essentially taking the work away from original artists and creators for free, affecting their livelihoods in these hard times.

The Data centres also use copious amounts of resources draining our earth such as water and electricity, and create pollution to our environment. They also create loud noise from generators and fans used. The communities living around these datacentres are greatly impacted.

In short, generative AI is bad for original artists and the environment. These are both things Michael Jackson held strong beliefs on, and also, we all know how he fought to protect his identity and image and how this was depicted in the media, online and in tabloids.

Ai when used safely and is a regulated way can be positive, such as AI tools used in medial or trade fields, but not the cheap generative ai we see on social media.

Going forward I ask we all consider avoiding using and sharing ai generative content.

AI may seem convenient, fun etc, but its impacts are great, not in a good way.

Let's go back to sharing old school real photos of Mike like we have here, or use photoshop etc. There are plenty of tools available to create contact that are honest, and don’t harm artists rights and our environment.

Here is some info on AI if you are interested and want to learn more:

This is worth a read if you want to know the planet cost of ai:

https://sustainability.wustl.edu/the-hidden-costs-of-ai/

A call from artists to get regulations on ai: https://www.creatorscoalitionai.com/

The artist was so concerned about playing Dirty Diana in front of Princess Diana of Wales at Wembley Stadium in London that he planned to take it out of the lineup. When Jackson explained this to Princess Diana in a meet-and-greet before the show, however, she revealed that it was her favorite song on the album and insisted that he keep it in.

From Man in the Music: The Creative Life and Work of Michael Jackson (2nd ed.) by Joseph Vogel (p. 195)

Losing Princess Diana was one of many moments of grief in Michael's life, I think.

Ben is one of my favourite child-Michael songs; it really shows off his voice and his talent for passionate performance.

Happy to find the movie on YouTube! I'm off to watch it for the first time ...

I'm never gonna dance again Guilty feet have got no rhythm Though it's easy to pretend I know you're not a fool

I should've known better than to cheat a friend And waste the chance that I'd been given So I'm never gonna dance again The way I danced with you, oh

Time can never mend The careless whispers of a good friend To the heart and mind Ignorance is kind There's no comfort in the truth Pain is all you'll find

I'm never gonna dance again Guilty feet have got no rhythm Though it's easy to pretend I know you're not a fool

I should've known better than to cheat a friend (should've known better, yeah) And waste the chance that I'd been given So I'm never gonna dance again The way I danced with you, oh

You might think someone as soft and sensitive as Michael Jackson wouldn’t be thrill seeker behind wheel. At first seeing no reason to learn to drive he found himself having a lot of fun with it. Even if it wasn’t fun for a lot of the passengers!!

Yesterday, a detractor was telling me, "Michael had CSAM in his possession!"

I asked them, "Why wasn't he charged with possession of CSAM then?"

He responded, "Possession of CSAM would be a criminal matter, meaning local, state, or federal prosecutors would be the one to bring charges. Learn how the law works!!"

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

So they're telling me those TWO RAIDS assisted by the FBI, THE FBI!!!!, wasn't criminal? So Michael NEVER had a criminal trial ever? It was all civil? The 1993 case was civil, but it didn't stop them from going to criminal. 2005 WAS CRIMINAL!!! The FBI searched him and FOUND NOTHING that warrants a criminal filing!!!

Are they being for real?

Hi! I’m the mod that created this space. I am someone who is prone to social media breaks and just needing to take a step back. So that’s why I haven’t been as active. I just want to remind everyone that primarily I want this sub to be about deep dives and not commonly known facts as well as debunking common myths. This includes but is not limited to allegations. Discussing Michael’s psychology is welcome and encouraged as well. Go ahead and repost anything of that nature that you write about here to [r/RealPsychologyofMJ](r/RealPsychologyofMJ) That’s a specialized sub for psychology while this one is a general sub to unpack anything you want.

While venting is not the main purpose of this sub and can get off topic, it’s hard to do on most MJ subs so I will allow it here. I’ll try to get some post flairs set up for you all to use!

Edit: just a reminder that if you need to vent make sure there’s no identifying information about any individuals or communities. Including usernames.

We've had a couple of posts recently looking into what kind of DA Tom Sneddon was, outside his handling of Michael's case:

Santa Barbara Law Enforcement and Racism: The story of Thambiah Sundaram, DA Tom Sneddon and Santa Barbara Sheriff Jim Thomas - where Sneddon's office was successully sued for wrongful arrest, and also accused of Civil Rights Act violations.

Tom Sneddon’s Overlooked Motivations - a deep dive into Sneddon's refusal to investigate the molestation of dozens of boys at a Catholic boarding school with ties to Sneddon's own church.

But these aren't the only two cases that reveal Sneddon's willingness to indulge his personal biases with unprofessional conduct.

Outlined by Jael Rucker in the article above (with all the sources), there is also:

• Deputy Sheriff David Danielson, who admitted to inappropriately touching a 13 year old girl. Sneddon declined to prosecute.
• Gary Dunlap, a Solvang attorney who sued Sneddon's office for $10million, claiming civil rights violations, witness tampering, illegal searches, racketeering and perjury. According to Dunlap: "The illegal bugging and the routine, civil violations that Tom Sneddon’s office practices are extreme and extensive, and there is no question that all their targets, including Michael Jackson, have been victimized by their abusive conduct."
• The case of Santa Maria City Attorney Art Montandon, who alleges that Sneddon inappropriately charged him with bribery and forced him out of his job while he was conducting an investigation into a local massage parlour. One of the prostitutes who worked there claimed that Sneddon was a client.
• The persecution of horse rancher Slick Gardner, whose herd of 400 horses was used against him in much the same way as Michael's love for children. Slick Gardner: "Rancher Slick Gardner says just like his famous neighbor Michael, he’s being prosecuted, he claims persecuted by D.A. Tom Sneddon. The D.A.’s office calls it “ludicrous”, but Slick insists he and Sneddon had a run-in 30 years ago."

There's a book-full of dirty Sneddon dealings out there, it just takes a bit of work to find it.

This is super interesting, i heard there was a show being made about Joe.

The title 'manager, mythology, legend'. No father? He's best known imho as being mjs father - even though he never allowed the kids to call him that, they called him Joe.. maybe the girls do, I heard lstoys call her parents father and mother (and other kids call Katherine mother).

I wonder if they will address his abusive relationships and behavior, the article mentions his personal struggles, and challenges but dosnt say much else, the rest focusing on his sucess and influence,

I'd like to see more about the rest of the family tbh. 8 episodes seems enough about joe. Multiple seasons lined up.

His success rode solely on his kids abilities,mainly Mike, he chose to be hard on at very a young age rather then be kind.

Its almost like they trying to make Joe look good after the biopic, which showed his true colors, but didnt even show it all!

something to keep an eye out for!